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How is each kind of diminished chord notated? -- Jlloganiii 04:46, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I have added an audio example to the article. Hyacinth ( talk) 20:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
The article is perfect. But I was thinking about some works that employ remarkable diminished triad chord. Beethoven's String Quartet No. 9 in C major Op. 59 No. 3 "Razumovsky" starts with such a chord. The last movement of the "Appassionata" Sonata also comes from a transition on this chord. Of course, there must be inumerable examples, but there are some importante moments with this chord. -- Leonardo T. de Oliveira ( talk) 16:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
please change this back to 'diminished triad', it looks silly —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.2.172.2 ( talk) 00:26, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Hyacinth ( talk) 00:04, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Diminished triad chord → Diminished triad –The expression "triad chord" is redundant. Hearfourmewesique ( talk) 00:10, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
I didn't see this discussion, but I moved the page. Hyacinth ( talk) 00:01, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
This article says Cmb5 is how to notate a diminished triad. What does the b stand for?? Georgia guy ( talk) 12:49, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
"The quality of the leading-tone triad is diminished in both major and minor keys." Hyacinth ( talk) 01:52, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
The enharmonic notes, while nice for ease of reading, contradict the definition of triad. Triads are three-note chords built by stacking thirds. By definition, a Db diminished triad would be Db, Fb, Abb no matter how clumsy the double flats look. On the other hand, Db, E, G is not a Db diminished triad. (If anything, that would imply more a E diminished seventh missing the fifth). I suggest we remove the enharmonic spellings for this reason. Composers also would not have done this for the reasons listed.
If there is no response in a few days, I'll remove them myself. —
Devin.chaloux (
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03:50, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
On 11 April 2011 (over three years ago), Hyacinth wrote:
It still appears today. However this clearly is not possible, perhaps either the 160 or 162 being a typo for 192 instead.
While it's soon afterward stated that "45:54:64 is preferred," I'd argue that, based on the use of 5:6 pure minor thirds, 25:30:36 might be slightly more consonant, although the rules of just intonation appear to make it difficult to produce without making nasty harmonic compromises. I hope there's a solution that can answer my concern. -- Glenn L ( talk) 08:24, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
5:6:7 ("perfect diminished chord"), but the 7 is too flat
Please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Music#Consistent diminished chord typography if interested. Thanks! -- Beland ( talk) 00:25, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
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How is each kind of diminished chord notated? -- Jlloganiii 04:46, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I have added an audio example to the article. Hyacinth ( talk) 20:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
The article is perfect. But I was thinking about some works that employ remarkable diminished triad chord. Beethoven's String Quartet No. 9 in C major Op. 59 No. 3 "Razumovsky" starts with such a chord. The last movement of the "Appassionata" Sonata also comes from a transition on this chord. Of course, there must be inumerable examples, but there are some importante moments with this chord. -- Leonardo T. de Oliveira ( talk) 16:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
please change this back to 'diminished triad', it looks silly —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.2.172.2 ( talk) 00:26, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Hyacinth ( talk) 00:04, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Diminished triad chord → Diminished triad –The expression "triad chord" is redundant. Hearfourmewesique ( talk) 00:10, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
I didn't see this discussion, but I moved the page. Hyacinth ( talk) 00:01, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
This article says Cmb5 is how to notate a diminished triad. What does the b stand for?? Georgia guy ( talk) 12:49, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
"The quality of the leading-tone triad is diminished in both major and minor keys." Hyacinth ( talk) 01:52, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
The enharmonic notes, while nice for ease of reading, contradict the definition of triad. Triads are three-note chords built by stacking thirds. By definition, a Db diminished triad would be Db, Fb, Abb no matter how clumsy the double flats look. On the other hand, Db, E, G is not a Db diminished triad. (If anything, that would imply more a E diminished seventh missing the fifth). I suggest we remove the enharmonic spellings for this reason. Composers also would not have done this for the reasons listed.
If there is no response in a few days, I'll remove them myself. —
Devin.chaloux (
chat)
03:50, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
On 11 April 2011 (over three years ago), Hyacinth wrote:
It still appears today. However this clearly is not possible, perhaps either the 160 or 162 being a typo for 192 instead.
While it's soon afterward stated that "45:54:64 is preferred," I'd argue that, based on the use of 5:6 pure minor thirds, 25:30:36 might be slightly more consonant, although the rules of just intonation appear to make it difficult to produce without making nasty harmonic compromises. I hope there's a solution that can answer my concern. -- Glenn L ( talk) 08:24, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
5:6:7 ("perfect diminished chord"), but the 7 is too flat
Please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Music#Consistent diminished chord typography if interested. Thanks! -- Beland ( talk) 00:25, 14 February 2022 (UTC)