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Changes since being promoted on April 16, 2005. This is the version that was promoted. Changes are minor but significant and seem to be positive. Tuf-Kat 04:52, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
The section "Velázquez in modernity" appears to be a joke. But this is due to the disparity between the concept of a serious article regarding fine art and the images of works that were created by painters who obviously lacked Velázquez's ability. Lestrade 00:18, 21 January 2006 (UTC)Lestrade
The link for Maria Theresa, wife of Louis XIV, is to Maria Theresa of Austria, rather than to the Wikipedia article on Maria Theresa of Spain [1]. I tried to fix it myself, but, sadly, fell short.
It's not a major error, just a link to the incorrect Maria Theresa. Cheers, Ivonne Rovira missivonne@yahoo.com
What can you say about this painting? my art teacher asserted it anticipated the lesson of "Ceçi n'est pas une pipe" [Magritte]. Do you agree? 87.7.60.200 20:41, 15 June 2006 (UTC)Giovanni
Is this a joke? This strange title wasn't here a few minutes ago.
I have removed the work of a contemporary painter's homage to Velazquez. Images by Picasso and Bacon are understandable, but an article about Velazquez is not a portal for contemporary artists to gain publicity. JNW 01:14, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
This article was recently demoted from Featured article status. This article appears to be at or near Good article status.
Would any of the editors contributing to this article be interested in assisting in a Peer review, and nomination for Good article process? The intent would be to regain Featured article status. Espana Viva 07:15, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
To User JNW. Thank you very much for making into a foodnote information about converso origin of Velasquez. User: Tracadero. 3.11. 07
I know nothing about the subject, but the list of selected works appears to contain two iterations of the same painting, spaced 10 years apart. The 1634 listing links to the painting, while the 1624 listing links to a biographical article which contains an image of the painting...dated to 1634. I would remove this, but the list gives specific dimensions for the painting, as well as a museum that owns it. What's up here? This should be fixed or clarified. 65.190.89.154 22:33, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
You are right. The entry for the 1624 portrait mistakenly linked to an article with an image of the 1634 portrait. I've un-linked it. Thanks. JNW 22:56, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
http://www.allpaintings.org/v/Baroque/Velazquez/ is a good website to put in external links. There are more than a hundred of images of his works with their genre, year, localization and some information about Velázquez. The images have a good quality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oriolhernan ( talk • contribs) 13:50, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
So, now Velazquez is Portugese? Let me see, Santiago Ramon y Cajal, Pablo Casals, etc., etc. I'm still looking for any Spanish person of note who isn't billed as "not Spanish" by Wikipedia. Seems there's just an aversion to admitting any person of Spanish ancestry is worth a hoot! Cd195 ( talk) 17:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Weird as it may seem, Velasques is neither Portugese nor spanish; he is Portuguese, the son of a Portuguese man who went to Seville and impregnated yet another flamenco gipsy dancer. — Preceding
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talk) 02:00, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Although the new one (Image:Velazquez.innocent-x.jpg) looks better enlarged, the old one (Image:Diego Velázquez 048.jpg) is brighter & looks better (350 setting) as a thumb on my screen. In truth neither is a very high quality image. I've seen the original too! Johnbod ( talk) 23:06, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
The older one has too much brightness, the one i added is not colourful enough. Found a better one from the museums site, will add it instead (Image:Innocent-x-velazquez.jpg) Mlaoxve ( talk) 01:48, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Born in Seville, Andalusia, Spain early on June 6, 1599, and baptized on 6 June,
In the olden days babies were typically baptised the day they were born in the Catholic Church, since a baptised baby will not go to purgatory if it dies. -- Willthacheerleader18 ( talk) 23:44, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
The link for the "The Adoration of the Magi" under Selected Works sends the user to "The Adoration of the Magi" by Bartolomé Estéban Murillo. There is a Wikipedia entry for "The Adoration of the Magi" by Diego Velázquez, but it appears to be available in Spanish and Italian only. The link to the Spanish entry is as follows:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoraci%C3%B3n_de_los_Magos_%28Vel%C3%A1zquez%29
Regards, Hippitydoo ( talk) 18:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
The reference to Picasso and the others is totally inappropriate. Why is it included? Did the author think it validated Velázquez in some way? There are many present day artists of the traditional school who would find the notion absurd and insulting. What is the point? Jive Dadson ( talk) 07:38, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
If mention is to made of Velasquez's influence, why is no mention made Of Sargent? His "El Jaleo," as well as many of his early portraits, are much more truly inspired by Velasquez than the facile rip-offs of Picasso and Bacon. Orapronobis ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:46, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
I have remove from the article this: Recent archival investigations carried out by Mendez, Ingram and others not only reject his aristocratic origins, but have brought to light that he belonged to the Jewish converso lineage. [1]
Which documents, how they came about and what do they say ?, the reference is not very enlighten. Velázquez supposedly Jewish ancestors can not be more than a theory contradicted but well know facts
These are the facts : - REFERENCE YOUR so called FACTS please sounds to much like your opinion... Modernist ( talk) 01:22, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
1. By the time Velázquez was born Jews has been expelled from Spain for more than a century (the were expelled from Spain in 1492 and from Portugal six years later). Those few who decided to stay were forced to convert to Christianity. Usually despised, they were called marranos in Spain. Seen with suspicion, many perished under the iron rule of the inquisition that was in full swing at that time
2. Velázquez wanted to obtain and finally received the order of Santiagoo. Two mandatory requirements to get the order were:
a) noble ancestry
b ) purity of the blood (meaning no Jewish or Arab ancestry in seven generations). It took years to clear Velázquez ancestry until he was given the order. It can be seen displayed in his chest (the red symbol) in the portrait las Meninas. -- Miguelemejia ( talk) 18:17, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
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Hang on - Jews were not "forced" to convert, they could CHOOSE to either convert or leave the country. In the Baltic in 2015 there are ethnic Russians who can not chose, for they suddenly (after the breakdown of USSR) have no more citicenship in the new EU-memmber states. Always look close at things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.112.177.58 ( talk) 12:54, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
3.Definite talk about the jewish ancestry trend: first of all, it doesn't really matter the gibberish talk about jews in spain, since people are making up jewish ancestry through is Portuguese side - the father's side. The few jews that remained in Portugal were forced to convert, yet they weren't in Porto area, they were mainly in the border with spain. Plus, there is nothing jewish in his known genealogical tree: http://geneall.net/pt/nome/138153/diogo-velasquez/ . Since he received the order of Santiago, he couldn't have neither jewish nor arab ancestry, although he might not have noble ancestry, because corruption, stardom, famous painter, close to the royal family, you know the drill. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.180.33.200 ( talk) 01:24, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm taking out the "Spaniards of Portuguese-Jewish ancestry" category tag. Because speculation about him having Jewish ancestors is simply a THEORY, this tag has absolutely no business being here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:A7D4:1930:B97D:8DB7:E47B:2978 ( talk) 22:11, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
Reading this article, I feel it might be useful to mention Velazquez's relatively small body of work : less than 120 known works, depending on who you ask. I have a good citation for this information, but I'm not sure which section would be suitable. My first thought is to include a sentence or two at the beginning of the "selected works" list. Any thoughts from regular contributors to this article? -- Docether ( talk) 15:29, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Did he, if so put them in the article with dates of life and facts. 66.158.68.102 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:45, 6 May 2010 (UTC).
Velasques father was born in Portugal and his names and his parents' names are not spanish names, since they were Portuguese and were born in Portugal; therefore: João Rodrigues da Silva, Diogo Rodrigues and Maria da Silva. Source? The most important Portuguese (and spanish, AFAIK) genealogy website: http://geneall.net/pt/nome/138153/diogo-velasquez/ That Jewish trend of magically finding Jewish ancestry in some known spanish (take Miguel de Cervantes, for example) is just a trend, which lacks evidence in most cases. In case of Velasques, since some people are tracing back is jewish roots to his Portuguese side, and since the same people are claiming nobility at the same time, there is a contradiction right there for a start, since noble people didn't mix with jews, back then, in Portugal. Besides, there is nothing jewish in his relatives' names (both first name and family name). The jewish community in Porto, at the time, was pratically inexistent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.180.33.200 ( talk) 00:59, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
About his name: you posted an unreliable source, plus an anglo-saxon source, written by people that doesn't have a clue about Portuguese family names and/or are influenced by the spanish inquisition trying to force spanish ancestry through his father side, by magically making his father born in Seville and not in Porto. Do you have any clue about the differences between Portuguese family names and spanish family names? By the way, i wrote Velasques in this new section title on purpose, as you can see in the article, where i wrote his last name correctly, since that name comes from his spanish side and since the issue is about the rest of the names. About his racial ancestry, i admit he might not have noble roots, yet, those so called investigators might have a political and/or religious bias - it is juicy to attack Roman Catholic church and Europe's monarchies/nobles - therefore that doesn't mean much. Besides, most of the accusations are based in beliefs, not actual evidence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.214.184.54 ( talk) 22:00, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
According to Symantec, Bloodhound.Exploit.314 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.4.14.58 ( talk) 15:32, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
"Velaskwez" is a horrible, jarring, simply wrong pronunciation. I've certainly heard educated people saying it that way, but it's wrong. Should the article report incorrect pronunciations (as it does in a footnote), or should it just report the correct one? I do not think it's useful to describe things that people get wrong, but only the correct and verifiable facts. 124.150.164.201 ( talk) 22:49, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
As citations proliferate, a change to short citations would seem a good move and I propose to make the change if no objections. Ewulp ( talk) 02:53, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 19:28, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Changes since being promoted on April 16, 2005. This is the version that was promoted. Changes are minor but significant and seem to be positive. Tuf-Kat 04:52, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
The section "Velázquez in modernity" appears to be a joke. But this is due to the disparity between the concept of a serious article regarding fine art and the images of works that were created by painters who obviously lacked Velázquez's ability. Lestrade 00:18, 21 January 2006 (UTC)Lestrade
The link for Maria Theresa, wife of Louis XIV, is to Maria Theresa of Austria, rather than to the Wikipedia article on Maria Theresa of Spain [1]. I tried to fix it myself, but, sadly, fell short.
It's not a major error, just a link to the incorrect Maria Theresa. Cheers, Ivonne Rovira missivonne@yahoo.com
What can you say about this painting? my art teacher asserted it anticipated the lesson of "Ceçi n'est pas une pipe" [Magritte]. Do you agree? 87.7.60.200 20:41, 15 June 2006 (UTC)Giovanni
Is this a joke? This strange title wasn't here a few minutes ago.
I have removed the work of a contemporary painter's homage to Velazquez. Images by Picasso and Bacon are understandable, but an article about Velazquez is not a portal for contemporary artists to gain publicity. JNW 01:14, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
This article was recently demoted from Featured article status. This article appears to be at or near Good article status.
Would any of the editors contributing to this article be interested in assisting in a Peer review, and nomination for Good article process? The intent would be to regain Featured article status. Espana Viva 07:15, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
To User JNW. Thank you very much for making into a foodnote information about converso origin of Velasquez. User: Tracadero. 3.11. 07
I know nothing about the subject, but the list of selected works appears to contain two iterations of the same painting, spaced 10 years apart. The 1634 listing links to the painting, while the 1624 listing links to a biographical article which contains an image of the painting...dated to 1634. I would remove this, but the list gives specific dimensions for the painting, as well as a museum that owns it. What's up here? This should be fixed or clarified. 65.190.89.154 22:33, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
You are right. The entry for the 1624 portrait mistakenly linked to an article with an image of the 1634 portrait. I've un-linked it. Thanks. JNW 22:56, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
http://www.allpaintings.org/v/Baroque/Velazquez/ is a good website to put in external links. There are more than a hundred of images of his works with their genre, year, localization and some information about Velázquez. The images have a good quality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oriolhernan ( talk • contribs) 13:50, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
So, now Velazquez is Portugese? Let me see, Santiago Ramon y Cajal, Pablo Casals, etc., etc. I'm still looking for any Spanish person of note who isn't billed as "not Spanish" by Wikipedia. Seems there's just an aversion to admitting any person of Spanish ancestry is worth a hoot! Cd195 ( talk) 17:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Weird as it may seem, Velasques is neither Portugese nor spanish; he is Portuguese, the son of a Portuguese man who went to Seville and impregnated yet another flamenco gipsy dancer. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
89.180.33.200 (
talk) 02:00, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Although the new one (Image:Velazquez.innocent-x.jpg) looks better enlarged, the old one (Image:Diego Velázquez 048.jpg) is brighter & looks better (350 setting) as a thumb on my screen. In truth neither is a very high quality image. I've seen the original too! Johnbod ( talk) 23:06, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
The older one has too much brightness, the one i added is not colourful enough. Found a better one from the museums site, will add it instead (Image:Innocent-x-velazquez.jpg) Mlaoxve ( talk) 01:48, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Born in Seville, Andalusia, Spain early on June 6, 1599, and baptized on 6 June,
In the olden days babies were typically baptised the day they were born in the Catholic Church, since a baptised baby will not go to purgatory if it dies. -- Willthacheerleader18 ( talk) 23:44, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
The link for the "The Adoration of the Magi" under Selected Works sends the user to "The Adoration of the Magi" by Bartolomé Estéban Murillo. There is a Wikipedia entry for "The Adoration of the Magi" by Diego Velázquez, but it appears to be available in Spanish and Italian only. The link to the Spanish entry is as follows:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoraci%C3%B3n_de_los_Magos_%28Vel%C3%A1zquez%29
Regards, Hippitydoo ( talk) 18:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
The reference to Picasso and the others is totally inappropriate. Why is it included? Did the author think it validated Velázquez in some way? There are many present day artists of the traditional school who would find the notion absurd and insulting. What is the point? Jive Dadson ( talk) 07:38, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
If mention is to made of Velasquez's influence, why is no mention made Of Sargent? His "El Jaleo," as well as many of his early portraits, are much more truly inspired by Velasquez than the facile rip-offs of Picasso and Bacon. Orapronobis ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:46, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
I have remove from the article this: Recent archival investigations carried out by Mendez, Ingram and others not only reject his aristocratic origins, but have brought to light that he belonged to the Jewish converso lineage. [1]
Which documents, how they came about and what do they say ?, the reference is not very enlighten. Velázquez supposedly Jewish ancestors can not be more than a theory contradicted but well know facts
These are the facts : - REFERENCE YOUR so called FACTS please sounds to much like your opinion... Modernist ( talk) 01:22, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
1. By the time Velázquez was born Jews has been expelled from Spain for more than a century (the were expelled from Spain in 1492 and from Portugal six years later). Those few who decided to stay were forced to convert to Christianity. Usually despised, they were called marranos in Spain. Seen with suspicion, many perished under the iron rule of the inquisition that was in full swing at that time
2. Velázquez wanted to obtain and finally received the order of Santiagoo. Two mandatory requirements to get the order were:
a) noble ancestry
b ) purity of the blood (meaning no Jewish or Arab ancestry in seven generations). It took years to clear Velázquez ancestry until he was given the order. It can be seen displayed in his chest (the red symbol) in the portrait las Meninas. -- Miguelemejia ( talk) 18:17, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
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Hang on - Jews were not "forced" to convert, they could CHOOSE to either convert or leave the country. In the Baltic in 2015 there are ethnic Russians who can not chose, for they suddenly (after the breakdown of USSR) have no more citicenship in the new EU-memmber states. Always look close at things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.112.177.58 ( talk) 12:54, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
3.Definite talk about the jewish ancestry trend: first of all, it doesn't really matter the gibberish talk about jews in spain, since people are making up jewish ancestry through is Portuguese side - the father's side. The few jews that remained in Portugal were forced to convert, yet they weren't in Porto area, they were mainly in the border with spain. Plus, there is nothing jewish in his known genealogical tree: http://geneall.net/pt/nome/138153/diogo-velasquez/ . Since he received the order of Santiago, he couldn't have neither jewish nor arab ancestry, although he might not have noble ancestry, because corruption, stardom, famous painter, close to the royal family, you know the drill. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.180.33.200 ( talk) 01:24, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm taking out the "Spaniards of Portuguese-Jewish ancestry" category tag. Because speculation about him having Jewish ancestors is simply a THEORY, this tag has absolutely no business being here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:A7D4:1930:B97D:8DB7:E47B:2978 ( talk) 22:11, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
Reading this article, I feel it might be useful to mention Velazquez's relatively small body of work : less than 120 known works, depending on who you ask. I have a good citation for this information, but I'm not sure which section would be suitable. My first thought is to include a sentence or two at the beginning of the "selected works" list. Any thoughts from regular contributors to this article? -- Docether ( talk) 15:29, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Did he, if so put them in the article with dates of life and facts. 66.158.68.102 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:45, 6 May 2010 (UTC).
Velasques father was born in Portugal and his names and his parents' names are not spanish names, since they were Portuguese and were born in Portugal; therefore: João Rodrigues da Silva, Diogo Rodrigues and Maria da Silva. Source? The most important Portuguese (and spanish, AFAIK) genealogy website: http://geneall.net/pt/nome/138153/diogo-velasquez/ That Jewish trend of magically finding Jewish ancestry in some known spanish (take Miguel de Cervantes, for example) is just a trend, which lacks evidence in most cases. In case of Velasques, since some people are tracing back is jewish roots to his Portuguese side, and since the same people are claiming nobility at the same time, there is a contradiction right there for a start, since noble people didn't mix with jews, back then, in Portugal. Besides, there is nothing jewish in his relatives' names (both first name and family name). The jewish community in Porto, at the time, was pratically inexistent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.180.33.200 ( talk) 00:59, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
About his name: you posted an unreliable source, plus an anglo-saxon source, written by people that doesn't have a clue about Portuguese family names and/or are influenced by the spanish inquisition trying to force spanish ancestry through his father side, by magically making his father born in Seville and not in Porto. Do you have any clue about the differences between Portuguese family names and spanish family names? By the way, i wrote Velasques in this new section title on purpose, as you can see in the article, where i wrote his last name correctly, since that name comes from his spanish side and since the issue is about the rest of the names. About his racial ancestry, i admit he might not have noble roots, yet, those so called investigators might have a political and/or religious bias - it is juicy to attack Roman Catholic church and Europe's monarchies/nobles - therefore that doesn't mean much. Besides, most of the accusations are based in beliefs, not actual evidence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.214.184.54 ( talk) 22:00, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
According to Symantec, Bloodhound.Exploit.314 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.4.14.58 ( talk) 15:32, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
"Velaskwez" is a horrible, jarring, simply wrong pronunciation. I've certainly heard educated people saying it that way, but it's wrong. Should the article report incorrect pronunciations (as it does in a footnote), or should it just report the correct one? I do not think it's useful to describe things that people get wrong, but only the correct and verifiable facts. 124.150.164.201 ( talk) 22:49, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
As citations proliferate, a change to short citations would seem a good move and I propose to make the change if no objections. Ewulp ( talk) 02:53, 11 August 2019 (UTC)