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the table states he started coaching Argentina today. Can somebody change that, i am too inept at editing wiki to do that 82.73.99.96 ( talk) 16:37, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
It is perhaps no longer fair to state that Maradone is still addicted to drugs
During the 2006 Presidential Election Maradona went to play in Peru with an implicit support for Humala's campaign. I thought maybe some people here would like to use this image on the section about his political views and add the info about the Peruvian election. I know alot of people probably view this page so I thought I'd just suggest it here on the talk page.-- Jersey Devil 22:42, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
This part is rather uncomplete and, as we can see in Spanidh Wikipedia, his individual honors are much more than those that appear here. Through this link, you will see the complete list of all his prizes: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Armando_Maradona in the final part named "Distinciones Individuales". You may think, and why don't you do? the answer is in these words. My English is not correct enough in order to edit the Wikipedia. However, I know about Maradona and I am trying to aport more information. So, update it please.
PD: UPDATE THE FIRST PHOTO, THIS IS THE PAST, please.
Early in his European career, he won the Copa del Rey along with Barcelona. Does that mean he has shaken hands with King Juan Carlos de Borbon? If such be it, why is there no picture of this event? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.89.69.144 ( talk) 01:34, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
That would be a great idea. If you can find one WE CAN USE have at it. The encyclopedia anyone can edit, remember? Britmax ( talk) 16:39, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
A one sentence introduction on an article this long? Come on now, just two or three paragraphs is fine, otherwise it can't possibly adequately summarize the article, fails WP:LEAD, and shouldn't be a Good Article. I'm putting this article on hold until somebody can expand the lead. Homestarmy 00:18, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Folks, can someone update with the pronunciation of the name? would help a lot. Thank you. -- H P Nadig * \ Talk \ Contributions 17:19, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
This article reads like a fan site. WP:GA failed. The following instances of weasel words and/or uncited POV need fixed/cited WP:NOR:
I have added his link to Dalmatia Croatia as Trivia. It's true so it should be mentioned. Then story is well known and has been covered by the press in Croatia and Argentina. The connection with Marco Polo is interesting too.
In Argentina today some 500,000 people have a Croatian origin. Jagoda 1 04:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Mateo Kariolic is related to Marco Polo. Maradona is related to Mateo K. Very interesting when you look at that family tree from Korcula. Jagoda 1 03:05, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
I recently removed the comment "testing positive for performance-enhancing drugs." with "failing a doping test". The point is that even though an stimulant such as cafeine, ephedrine can't be directly considered a performance-enhancing drug. Given Maradona's overweight during the early 1990s, and the abrupt loos of it right before the start of the 1994 World Cup, it is considered to have been used for weight loss before the competition( In defence of Diego Maradona - Eddie Veal, see also Ephedra).
Something more, Efedrina is not prohibited for sports in USA and other countries, mainly because it is not considered an enhancer ( [1] [2], "Fútbol, a sol y sombra", Eduardo Galeano )
I'm not trying to justify Maradona's methods, I'm just trying to remove certain bias from the Article. For instance, he was banned also for cocaine in blood, what is not mentioned in the opening text.
All in all, there's a hole section of doping in the article, and suggiesting that he took the drug to enhance his performance during the tournament is biased, for it cannot be proved.
I'll rephrase it to be more specific, yet more neutral. Mariano( t/ c) 10:08, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
"...so that FIFA would not lose prestige over my absence". Can't say I believe that one. He had already held both FIFA and the principles of fair play in discontempt. Any reason to believe his alegation on "being allowed" to use ephidrine? Surely they are not that bent in FIFA? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.89.69.144 ( talk) 00:50, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Merely tagged as opposed to editing because I don't pretend to be an expert on the matter. I just happened to notice the apparent contradiction of having a "short and weak physique" and a "short and strong" playing type in the same paragraph. Tjtoml 04:17, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
There is constant reversion backwards and forwards between these or similar phrases in the opening paragraph. The article cited demonstrates that in an on-line poll to register preferences for the greatest player of the 20th century, Maradona received not only the greatest number of votes, but an absolute majority. Such a poll is unrepresentative, and open to block voting, and I would not be infavour of a comment saying that "most football fans consider him to be the greatest", but it does prove that many count him as the best. Although "many" is obviously non-specific, I would contend that it is less mealy-mouthed than "widely held". Likewise, it is verifiable that many have registered a preference for him as the best, wheras to say that he is "among the best" invites the question "the best what? The best 3? the best 20? the best 500?". Thus to say merely that he is "among the best" is to damn with faint praise, and to underestimate the esteem in which this player's ability is held. (I make no comment as to his character, except to suggest that it may have lead a significant number of people to be unwilling to give the recognition they might otherwise have done to his talent). Thus I propose that the first phrase in the heading of this section remain, but look forward to lively debate of the matter. Kevin McE 20:07, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Stubacca's changes. Claims are okay if and only if attributed. "John Doe is the best flute player<ref>[2007 FooBar internet poll]</ref>" is not acceptable, but "John Doe is the best flute player according to a 2007 FooBar internet poll" is. — Quarl ( talk) 2007-03-15 17:16Z
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According to this article, Maradona coached a club named Mandiyú de Corrientes. Is Mandiyú de Corrientes and Textil Mandiyú the same club? -- Carioca 05:58, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Can't someone post a picture of him lifting the world cup thats not copyright protected. I think that should be the picture most would remember maradona by. he is a footballer, and that was his greatest moment. ergo
It says he's playing for Liverpool in 1980!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aqua lem ( talk • contribs) 18:37, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
This man is generally known by the two word version of his name: the middle name is neither necessary nor commonplace in making clear to whom one is referring. I have undone the move that had been made with no discussion and no meaningful edit-note earlier today. Kevin McE ( talk) 17:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I have a question, why did you include all the goals (national and international club cups)?, even when you put the note "Senior Club appearances and goals counted for the DOMESTIC LEAGUE ONLY" down there. Kyosukekun ( talk) 01:28, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
In the first paragraph there is this "Considered to be one of the most overrated players of the 20th century". Considered by who? Please can you give us some reference because i feel this sentence is pulled right out of the hat. Thanx 131.188.245.159 ( talk) 12:42, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
In the book 'The Ultimate Fan's Handbook' by Michael Coleman, there is a question in the quiz section that states: "Finally, even as you're reading these words, somewhere in the world a future footballing star may be taking his first breath. Will his (or her) mum be able to tell? What did the doctors shout as Argentina's star Diego Maradona was born? a) It's a goal! b) It's a footballer! c) It's a hand!" All that on page 37. The answer, according to page 38, is a, it's a goal. They were footall fans, and Maradona was the first male child born that day. I added this to the article, but was accused of vandalism. I've given you my source, is it reliable? I think so. 86.135.209.39 ( talk) 16:51, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I am quoting directly from the book in question, so sorry if it sounds informal. I added "When Maradonna was born, Doctors cried "It's a goal!" as he was the first boy born that day" or something along those lines. It was removed because it wasn't sourced. I am posting a source. Sorry if I sound unreasonable, but I'm trying to improve the article 86.135.209.39 ( talk) 14:03, 26 May 2008 (UTC) I've read the link you provided, and as a result will give more info on the book in question. It's a footballing equivalent of Horrible Histories- which has a good reputation for fact checking. It's published by Scholastic, which also has a good rep for fact checking. 86.135.209.39 ( talk) 14:09, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to delete this statement "...to the club that he supported, Boca Juniors..." since there is no citation to it. Besides I know he wasn't a boca fan at all. Watching the popular soccer show in Argentina, Estudio Futbol, he stated that he was a supporter of Club Atlético Independiente before joining Boca. Ricardoread —Preceding comment was added at 15:09, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
There is an error, it says "STOP BU卐H" instead of "STOP BUSH".
I tried correcting this line TWICE, but "someone" keeps removing my edition "for some reason".
Source:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051121/timerman
"Signs carried by the crowd included "STOP BUSH" and "Pirate Bush, out of Mar del Plata." Crowd estimates varied, from 25,000 cited in the New York Times to 50,000 people cited by organizers." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.31.183.90 ( talk) 19:16, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Is maradona a Croat by a male line?? The Editor14 ( talk) 19:50, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
I believe Maradona was born in Lanus, but raised in villa fiorito. Ricardoread ( talk) 18:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
The full line reads that "Maradona won many trophies with Boca Juniors, FC Barcelona and SSC Napoli over the course of his career." I question the wording of this sentence. It sounds like he won many trophies with each of these teams, when in fact he didn't really do very much with either of the first two. He won the league once with Boca Juniors and the Copa del Rey and a Spanish supercup with Barcelona. Since he really only won 'many trophies' with Napoli, I'd say this line should sound something like this: "Over the course of his professsional career Maradona played for Boca Juniors, FC Barcelona, and, most distinguishedly, SSC Napoli."
-- Trefalcon ( talk) 12:44, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I just made a whole slew of additions, some changes, and a lot of cleaning up. -- Trefalcon ( talk) 14:23, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I strongly believe that, after Pele is described as such on wikipedia, Maradona certainly deserves similar praise. He won the FIFA poll at the end of last century, he has been named as such by many commentators, footballers, pundits and etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chief White Halfoat ( talk • contribs) 01:22, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
If someone argues that this statement is POV or unsourced, then I would ask them to remove it from the wikipage on Pele as well, where it also unsourced. Thank you. -- Chief White Halfoat ( talk) 01:25, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
OK. Is someone going to AT LEAST EXPLAIN HERE, WHY SUCH A STATEMENT IS POSSIBLE TO EXIST UNSOURCED IN THE WKIPAGE ABOUT PELE AND NOT HERE? -- Chief White Halfoat ( talk) 02:55, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't this incredibly emotional documentary be included under topic "In popular culture"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.70.95.54 ( talk) 22:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
In the table of Manager Stats I wrote the official matches in Mandiyú and Racing. I think in Argentina National Team we can do the same. -- Eduardocombe ( talk) 14:49, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
I suggest to move this paragraph and quotation from the Retirement and Honours section to the Personal Life section, right before the Family subtitle. Aldo L ( talk) 04:49, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Parts of the article reads like something from a fanzine. Please keep an uncyclopedic neutrality---even if you happen to be a fan. With Maradona's merits, the facts can speak for themselves. 94.220.243.113 ( talk) 01:22, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
" right wing and neoliberal presidency of Carlos Menem" Cite source confirming that Mr. Menem belongs to the "right wing" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.245.161.217 ( talk) 17:01, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Done. Xavier 21 ( talk) 02:10, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Add 2010 Category:FIFA World Cup managers ? 209.255.78.138 ( talk) 16:54, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
The Sevilla, Newell's paragraph is hardly readable because it is not written with regard to time. Since the second part takes place before the part, it is disjointed and makes the reader have to stop and reread to make sense of it. Also not too sure the two parts go together since one is about the demise of his soccer days and the other is not. A better transition in between or just rewriting the whole part seems to be in order. Definitely not up to standards of other Wikipedia articles. 65.191.152.205 ( talk) 13:58, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
So first off, I'm an American, completely unfamiliar with soccer. But I was reading through this article since Argentina seems to be doing well.
I ran across one cocaine use allegation and thought nothing, then I hit another, so I looked for inline citations about this and saw nothing. This is a biography of a living person thus (and this is my impression as a massively part time editor) these things either need to be cited or removed asap. So I am going to remove them. If they are true feel free to add them back with citations.
-- Senior Fire ( talk) 05:37, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
I take it back, the page it protected, however I think the comments about his drug use either need to be attributed or removed.
-- Senior Fire ( talk) 05:39, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
I agree about his drug use needing citation or removal. As an Argentine Im obviously biased but if its true (I don't know) it should stay, if it can not be backed up then its speculation and should be removed. --Messirulz Friday july 2, 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Messirulz ( talk • contribs) 06:09, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
-- I'm a Diego's fan and himself in the film Maradona by Kusturica he admits the usage of cocaine, so more citation than that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.215.221.120 ( talk) 19:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
I do not think the opening quote of the 'In Popular Culture' paragraph is relevant at all to this article. Outside of the USA, Diego Maradona is a much, much more famous person than Babe Ruth (who?), Mike Tyson and even Michael Jordan. So to anyone from 'the rest of the world' this quote tells them nothing about who Maradona is or how he is seen in the world/popular culture. I did not know what the Houston Chronicle is, but from following the link I learned it is a newspaper from Texas? How can a Texas newspaper be considered a relevant authority on the subject of Diego Maradona? This quote only has value for people from Texas/the USA.
Maradona is arguably the most famous footballer of all times. So I'm sure a much more relevant quote can found for this section, from perhaps another famous footballer, a recognized international authority on football, Argentine media, etc. If not, the quote should be deleted altogether since it has little to no value for the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.89.235.48 ( talk) 12:29, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
{{ editsemiprotected}} The information box about Maradona's managerial history with the Argentine national Team should be changed by replacing present to July 2010. Ole Clarin has reported that Maradona will no longer be the Manager of the Argentine Selection.
10boca12 ( talk) 02:23, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
A possibe edit/ addition for the current introduction?
On 15th August 2010, Maradonna's agent declared that Diego would be interested in the manager's position at the English Premier League team aston villa
source- http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Maradona-fancies-Villa-job-article555631.html?&ref=qr&p=1&c=36001 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patjn ( talk • contribs) 19:52, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
sug bale —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.103.203.135 ( talk) 08:25, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
There are two photographs. One shows Maradona's hand about a foot from the ball. The other appears to show it in contact with the ball. I think that faking, possibly with Photoshop, has been used. The images of Shilton and Maradona seem to have been moved up. Otherwise, the two are virtually identical. The dates when the two appeared should be interesting.
AND also sucks in the game — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.211.238.174 ( talk) 23:47, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Hey ive checked Pele's article in the introduction with all his nominations as the best player by FIFA and footballing beaurocrats and i'm glad he deserves them. How about Maradona... Can we at least put his only award as the best player of the century in the introduction, I mean i know you all hate maradona with all your heart, but I think he deserves at least that....I mean wikipedia is a world wide information source by the people for the people and Maradona was chosen in the worldwide vote organized by FIFA and voted by the people themselves. I think it's fair I don't know.
Here is one of the many artiel in FIFA.. http://www.fifa.com/classicfootball/players/player=174732/bio.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by FIFApoll ( talk • contribs)
MY LAST EDIT AUG 20: Right little evidence...one guy from ESPN calling him a fat bastard who could dribble is lil evidence i guess, north american I think. Blatter too does not even consider him one of the greatest, bc he mixes personal life into that, it's a shame, but his own award backfired to maradona's side. Altercations with the press drug problems, put it at the top who cares, i never thought of that because it doesnt really matter to describe what he did on the pitch and I really dont care if its at the stop even at the first sentence as long as you put his recognitions there too. There's a missing informations and details at the worldcups he was in as well as what he did in napoli which was never repeated again, the times, not a journalist as you "nicely put it" , is not the only source who considers him as the best performance of the worldcup which is a huge thing though garrincha got pretty close, i think its pretty obvious if you have watched the wc and there are sources even quotes from DTs Golden Ball Players more Magazines and even at the FIFA WEBPAGE "single handedly won the worldcup with the best performance ever"... If the goal of the century was chosen by the people in the same manner the FIFA CENTURY AWARD was chosen and it's at the top, then there should say "best player of the century award" at the top page just like goal of the century to be fair or just like Pele's awards are all at the top he doesnt have a section, but i guess in all "your fairness" and you "watching over Maradona's Article" would take out both recognitions at the top and put it in the reference or really down there where people rarely read. There's nothing here to do, this is a biased wikipedia...I guess wikipedia it's not gonna be wikipedia for this article, at least in the english version.
But anyways like I said I tried, you win since you spend more time here but you shouldn't it's a bad thing for you.
At the end of the third paragraph of this section is the following: "Right after the goal occurred, it left the television commentator "sobbing in joy", and apologizing for his outburst.[17]". I'd recommend this was edited to specify that the commentator was Victor Hugo Morales. Perhaps the citation should also be changed to something available online, such as this? http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/news/newsid=1457457.html Zaprowsdower ( talk) 13:46, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
I feel the post below has some truths to it, there is a lot of interesting information regarding maradona's performance at every worldcup that is missing here. Can somebody edit more details of 1982? The harsh mark from gentile? 1986 how he won the golden ball by unanimous vote? or in 1990? where Maradona had more than three injuries and was the most fouled player in worldcup history in that tournament, he was also fouled every time he touched the ball in the game against brasil. The handball he did to save argentina from being defeated against USRR after nery pumpido broke his leg? Again the 1990 section makes Maradona look as if he was ordinary in that worldcup which I don't think is very true, as he won the Bronze ball which is not listed here. Important quotes and controversial quotes which also helped his team to the final and his statements after the final before the semifinal Napoli's extreme support for Maradona despite being italians in the semifinal? Ahh forgot how he dribbled past the entire italian defense to assist somebody who missed also ! those were great plays !
Anyways, I feel football fans are missing a lot of interesting information from Diego's worldcups.
More of his performance than his declarations. Then I don't know how wikipedia editing works. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.191.4.240 ( talk) 07:02, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
As for the history of Maradona in 1990 is very rich and much more interesting but I will try to edit that when possible.
Best regards.
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The article is poorly sourced concerning the claims for the best ever player. Views are concentrated on one World Cup performance of Maradona(which Castrol Rankings claim it was not the best ever. Still, a misleading reference used in this article) and on one Internet poll in 2000. Most sources and experts rate Maradona in second and third place. http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/best-x-players-of-y.html#ff-poc, http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2006/5051768.stm, http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2931/go-global/2010/10/22/2178640/over-50-per-cent-of-goalcom-uk-readers-believe-brazilian http://www.englandfootballonline.com/TeamHons/HonsWldSocPlyrsCent.html, http://goldenfoot.com/pele-the-king-to-be-crowned-in-monte-carlo-at-10th-edition-of-the-golden-foot-awards/, http://www.iffhs.de/?42d03e32a16f43809fa3c17c13c09e20a15ff3c09f32b17f7370eff3702bb1c2bbb6e28fc380de43110f83d00e09 http://latestsports-update.blogspot.se/2012/03/users-of-leo-messi-crowned-marcacom.html, http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2012/04/12/3032147/messi-better-than-maradona-admits-ardiles Lsw10 ( talk) 00:00, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Hello, I'd like to know why Maradona's article is the only for a footballer that states that he is the greatest footballer of all time. Pelé, Beckenbauer, Cruijff, Garrincha, none of theses player's articles says that. Thank you. 189.104.125.79 ( talk) 15:39, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Citations about polls, and votes of players and experts should not be deleted. These references should not be deleted from the page. That is vandalism. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] Considering the whole number of different sources the phrase: Many experts, football critics, former players, current players and football fans in general consider Maradona as one of the greatest football players of all time. is quite accurate. Lsw10 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:46, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
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I have added this part giving information on some votes about Maradona but they were deleted. I would like to know why: In 1999, he was came second in the Football Player of the Century vote by the IFFHS International Federation of Football History and Statistics. In the same year French weekly magazine France-Football consulted their former "Ballon D'Or" winners to elect the Football Player of the Century. Maradona came in second place ater Pelé. [1] Lsw10 ( talk) 16:18, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
If you really want to add all those details, why don't you also add in Pele's front page first sentences that he came second to the worldwide online poll done by FIFA and the fact that they had to come up with a committe of experts to choose Pele after he lost the official award?
Or Why don't you add the fact that maradona also won other awards and the fact that maradona had best singular performance in the history of the worldcup even above Pele himself supported by thousands of sources online? Or the fact that Pele was not really the best player in all the worldcups he won? Even the 1970 statistics done by 100 experts at Castrol Rankings choose Jairzinho over Pele?
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Castrol ranking is relevant only to get the best player from each WC and it is a score of efficiency not a score of the player's skill. Those 5 argentina players had the highest efficiency thanks to Maradona's playmaking skills, look at the goals they scored and all of the goals except for 1 goal of argentina in 1986 went through maradona's foot. Can you say that about any other players? No. Castrol is useless to measure the best player of all WCs, only from each WC, which rightly so puts pele in third place as his performance was not that good compared to Mueller and Jairzinho. And no your edits are biased you only choose the sources that's convenient for you and everyone can see that.
I really can't be bothered to read that mess of interspersed and undated comments. You have taken it upon yourself to ensure that the phrase "considered by ... to be the greatest player" is present in Pele's article, while refusing to permit it in this article. That is the pursuit of a POV that is not acceptable, and unless and until you address that issue, your contributions here cannot be assumed to be made in goodwill. Kevin McE ( talk) 18:02, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
KevinMcE, Castrol Rankings website does not rate Maradona as the best player ever. Some of websites rankings are used by a Goal.com article to compare Pele and Maradona´s World cup performances of 1970 and 1986. http://www.goal.com/en/news/2939/castrol-football-zone/2010/10/23/2176900/castrol-debate-pele-versus-maradona-the-stats-which-reveal According to Castrol Rankings the best performance in World Cups is of Ronaldo in 2002.(Highest score since its count from 1966) It is a clearly misleading article, only comparing two players and without counting Pele'e first two World Cups, due to lack of footage of all matches to support their analysis. http://www.castrolfootball.com/legends/tournament/index.php?year=2002 The citation is in conflict with the Wikipedia article. Lsw10 ( talk) 23:20, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
There are thousands of sources describing the fact that Maradona in 1986 had the best WorldCup Performance in history. He is widely known for this very reason and why he is considered one of the greatest of all time, if not the greatest.
I think it should be put in the top of the article with sources. It's not an opinion really, it's a fact widespread among the entire footballing community.
No, that's a score of efficiency and the score varies in different worldcups due to their attacking styles era and goals per game and team. Maradona had the most contribution in any WC and the most influence during any worldcup than any other player and this is even said in the castrol ranking page "single handedly won the worldcup". Ronaldo had the highest because he was efficient and how? look at his goals...they are joke they were easy compared to maradona's 2nd best goal in history (belgium) and england's. What you can get from those rankings is the best player from each WC, not all WCs and this is why Pele was third, he wasn't that influential and efficient relative to the others muller and jairzinho. All the footballing community agrees that Diego had the best performance on a singular WC ever this is backed up by thousands of articles online and documentals and videos.
Gk2014 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:10, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
I have restored part of the lead to simply say "He was joint FIFA Player of the 20th Century with Pelé."
User:69.117.45.144 has insisted on fluffing that out, trying to make it look like Pele was not worthy of the accolade, and has been reverted by other editors as well. When I last reverted him he advised me to come to the talk page, so here I am.
User:69.117.45.144 has clearly disclosed bias on this. A month ago, he argued that information should not be in this article because it is about Maradona, not Pele, and said in reality maradona was the real winner of this award. He's wrong. They were joint winners, as the references show. Information added by 69.117.45.144 made the lead section look like an actual article, not summarising facts, but making a political/POV/fanzine one-sided point. So I have reverted again. It could be useful to have a FIFA Player of the 20th Century section in the article, but it could never survive if it was a POV pro Maradonna anti Pele thinkpiece. Moriori ( talk) 23:45, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Why add the mother's family name, when it is not the practice in Argentina? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.58.250 ( talk) 17:50, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
What preceeding comment say is true. In Argentina, Spanish name customs are only optionally followed and it is still rather uncommon. Maradona's legal name is "Diego Armando Maradona" and not "Diego Armando Maradona Franco" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.167.159.183 ( talk) 00:48, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
why no "time to fap" meme refrence in the popular culture section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.234.248.32 ( talk) 16:15, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
"The goal itself has been viewed as being an embodiment of the Buenos Aires shantytown Maradona was brought up in and it's concept of viveza criolla — native cunning.[69]"
Others would call it cheating. Or at best poor sportsmanship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.9.151.254 ( talk) 05:25, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
How come his two (most used) nioknames are not really mentioned? El Diez or Pelusa.
Everyone that knows him, pretty much knows him as "Pelusa" ... so its strange the nicknames are not really mentioned (ok in one section they are mentioned, but not very specific as his nickname) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.131.89.132 ( talk) 20:11, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
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FC Barcelona's website (.com) does not say that "Maradona" is his only family name. SLBedit ( talk) 19:03, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
He's going to pass it to Diego, there's Maradona with it, two men on him, Maradona steps on the ball, there goes down the right flank the genius of world football, he leaves the wing and he's going to pass it to Burruchaga... Always Maradona! Genius! Genius! Genius! There, there, there, there, there, there! Goaaaaaaaal! Goaaaaaaal! I want to cry, oh holy God, long live football! What a goal! Die-goal! Maradona! It's to cry, excuse me! Maradona, in a memorable run, in the best play of all times! Little cosmic comet, which planet did you come from, to leave so many Englishmen behind, so that the country becomes a clenched fist crying for Argentina? Argentina 2, England 0! Die-goal, Die-goal, Diego Armando Maradona! Thank you, God, for football, for Maradona, for these tears, for this Argentina 2, England 0.
— Víctor Hugo Morales
"Everyone has an opinion on Diego Armando Maradona, and that’s been the case since his playing days."—FIFA President Sepp Blatter. Carlos Rojas77 ( talk) 19:33, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
According to the sources, many people consider Maradona the greatest of all time; many other people consider Pele the greatest; and many other people consider Messi the greatest. We can say all three of those things. They can't all be the greatest, however they can all be considered the greatest by many people. -- Irn ( talk) 14:33, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
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Sources state Maradona is a Galician surname (indeed it is not present in Italy, only in the Galician coast of Spain). Apparently he also has a Croat ancestor on his mother's side. Asilah1981 ( talk) 13:54, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
As per Spanish-language wikipedia, Maradona has "Galician, Croatian and Indigenous-American ancestry". There is nothing to support any Italian origin. The journalist of Time magazine must have made the common mistake of assuming the "Maradona" is an Italian surname. I have added a Spanish-language source which explains how common it is for people to make this erroneous assumption. Asilah1981 ( talk) 14:07, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
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Is Diego Armando Maradona of Spanish or Italian ancestry? Asilah1981 ( talk) 12:51, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
An editor here considers that 1) It is verified that Maradona has Italian ancestry and 2) that "it is not verified" that he has Spanish (Galician) ancestry. On this basis, the firs skirmishes of an edit war have prompted me to start an RfC so other editors can comment. I would like to point out the following:
For now, this should be enough. I have just had a first look into sources but can find more. Asilah1981 ( talk) 14:18, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
Comment I think you can clarify: 1. Maradona is a spanish origin lastname per sources, and he has Spanish ancestory; 2. Maradona is mistaken as an Italian last name. CuriousMind01 ( talk) 12:15, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
Comment The origin of the surname is irrelevant (Obama has several European countries in his ancestry, how would you know that from the name?). There appear to be sources saying he claims Italian ancestry, are there sources saying THIS Maradona claims to be Spanish? There are other ways of acquiring a 'family name' than ancestry. Pincrete ( talk) 20:25, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
Deleted the whole lot. This is not the place for poorly sourced polemic and attempts to garner some reflected pride. Sources are thoroughly unconvincing; if surname is linked to mid eighteenth century as claimed above that is evidence of about 0.1% of bloodline. Nationality of putative ancestors several generations ago entirely irrelevant. None of the sources give any grounds for confidence in rigorous research. BLP: "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately" Kevin McE ( talk) 08:31, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
Delete all mention of European ancestry per Kevin McE's recommendation. I see no clear proof either way, and this looks like fodder for nationalist editing. Called by bot. - Darouet ( talk) 15:25, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
I have removed (pending approval of the modification) the reference to the nickname "The butcher from Bilbao" for Athletic Bilbao defender Andoni Goikoetxea. I think such editorializing belongs to yellow journalism and has no place in an encyclopedic article that is not even about Goikoetxea. 88.14.18.253 ( talk) 11:30, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
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Could someone explain why his famous warm up in 1989 is not mentioned on this page? It is one of the most iconic warm ups in the history of soccer!
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We have articles on Lionel Messi, Diego Maradona, Pelé, and probably other footballers all stating some variation of them being widely considered the greatest in history or of all time. At Talk:Cristiano Ronaldo, it was proposed to use the same language after Ronaldo's recent Ballon d'Or and subsequent hype. The very fact that we have at least three articles making the same claim, not to mention the perpetual "greatest of all time" debates that occur in every sport, suggests that all these articles should say: "widely considered to be one of the greatest ever" or equivalent to comply with WP:NPOV. It is obviously a fiercely debated topic and stating any one player as "the greatest" is non-encyclopedic. I have accordingly made this change but I am obviously open to establishing a consensus for the preferred language. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:16, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
I have opened three separate discussions instead of one centralized one here because there may be differing reasons for each to revert, modify, or support the change.People can easily follow the links from that notification to here and to the other conversations, if they wish. Or they can continue the conversation at the Project board, whatever they wish. It's about providing options. To reply to your other arguments, it looks silly for Wikipedia to be descending into a debate that is non-factual and entirely opinion-based which has no answer. How do you propose to sort those whose opinions on this matter? Only coaches, only "respected" sports journalists? How do we define "respected"? Do we consider every opinion on "the greatest" to matter? Do we start having strings of citations to Quora and onefootballforum and ESPN fan sites? There's no logical cut-off for where one opinion is acceptable and citable and another isn't so we might as well acknowledge them all and equally aacknowledge the unsolvable
A subject like "Greatest football player of all time" is not something that can actually be measured, so it's more correct to just write "one of the best...". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.111.233.230 ( talk) 19:57, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Don’t listen to Eggishorn. He’s trying to push his own agenda. No one has used Quora or ESPN fan sites to state that Pele, Messi or Maradona are the best ever. People have actually used The Guardian, Telegraph, The Independent and other valuable publications. I only made this account because he’s completely ignoring the relevant citations. SonqreQ ( talk) 22:45, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
I agree with SonreQ, although it seems that Ronaldo fans are responsible for this. Unhappy that Messi is generally considered the greatest, alongside Pele and Maradona, they are wanting the sentences of all to state the same thing, including Ronaldo. This is nonsense, as Ronaldo is never, and never has been, widely considered to be the greatest of all time, whereas Pele, Maradona and Messi have. It is clearly a bias by Ronaldo fans who lack objectivity. If we now have Ronaldo being described in similar terms as Maradona and Pele, then Wikipedia is a complete joke. FourFourTwo recently compiled a 100 greatest footballers of all time, which might be of interest to Egghorn, who it seems is attempting some sort of objectivity, but is perhaps lacking a clear understanding of the subject, as Maradona, Pele and Messi are generally considered above all other players. O'Flannery ( talk) 23:50, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
This keeps getting reverted, but no one who reverts is participating in this conversation. That many people in the sport consider Maradona to be the greatest of all time is a fact and it is well-sourced. That many others consider other people to be the greatest of all time does not negate that; it merely means that it is not unanimous, which "many" implies. -- irn ( talk) 14:52, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
In 14 May he became chairman of Brest — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:60A:A100:A0F1:B8F8:420A:73DB ( talk) 18:09, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
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Pelé scored more goals. Lionel Messi has won more trophies. Both have lived more stable lives than the overweight former cocaine addict who tops this list, whose relationship with football became increasingly strained the longer his career continued. If you’ve seen Diego Maradona with a football at his feet, you’ll understand.
— Andrew Murray on Maradona topping FourFourTwo magazine's 100 greatest players list, July 2017.[93]
This line is in the style of play section and has nothing to do with Maradona's style of play. It is instead comparing the amount of goals he scored to Pele and the amount of trophies he won compared to Messi. Neither of which has anything to do with style of play, they are to do with accomplishments.
Please just delete this paragraph it has nothing to do with this section.
Barrbarr1990 ( talk) 22:56, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
I see Messi fans doing whatever they want in Wikipedia. what a joke!
yes you're right — Preceding unsigned comment added by Floydtim091 ( talk • contribs) 01:42, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
"Many in the sport, including football writers, players, and fans, regard him as the greatest football player of all time." Why would anyone believe such a thing? Time has not yet ended. 31.52.252.166 ( talk) 17:01, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
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The second sentence of the lead states "He is widely regarded as one of the greatest football players of all time."
The claim needs the usual kinds of sources to remain in the article. Has anybody got one or more? Twistlethrop ( talk) 08:12, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
i made one change. i put the current name for the 60m goal for us, the argentinians. its name is "The cosmic kite" or "el barilete cosmico"
Someone with permission pls edit!! - in the 1994 World Cup section it says Romania kicked Argentina out, it should be Bulgaria. The result was Argentina 0 - 2 Bulgaria.
Maradona's father was born on November 12, 1927 in Esquina, Corrientes ( https://caras.perfil.com/noticias/celebridades/2015-06-30-41351-don-diego-el-padre-de-dios.phtml) and died on June 25, 2015 in Palermo, Buenos Aires ( https://www.clarin.com/deportes/don-diego-red_0_rJye37wtD7e.html). Will someone include this please? 2605:E000:121C:8B69:184A:3D8C:EF9D:9391 ( talk) 23:34, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
Maradona was not transferred to Boca Juniors, but played there as a loan for one year in exchange for 4 million plus the final transfer to Argentinos Juniors of 4 players and the loan of 2 more players for a year with his contract pay by Boca Juniors. I don't know why this loan is always referred to as a definitive transfer -- 181.29.125.114 ( talk) 22:18, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
I heard about that he was given a dipldomatic status with a jumbo passport to add. This was given just as he turned 18, and was heading for Europe. No one knows what either confirms....or disconfirms this. Anything to add on this point?
Hi. Does anyone have a source about Maradona's appearances for Argentina U20? All I was able to find is this document about the 1979 FIFA World Youth Championship, but I was not able to find any reliable source about his supposed games at the 1977 and 1979 South American U-20 Championships. Thanks. -- Mazewaxie ( talk • contribs) 19:01, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
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Died 25th November 2020 due to a cardiac arrest. 2.27.81.149 ( talk) 16:37, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
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Diego Maradona has passed away, on the 25th of November 2020, due to sudden cardiac arrest https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8986821/Diego-Maradona-died-suffering-cardiac-arrest-according-reports.html NoahRushaidat ( talk) 16:55, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
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Diego Maradona passed away on 25th November 2020
Why does it keep changing? I was wondering if we should have a poll on what people prefer? Govvy ( talk) 19:28, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
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new image for the section in popular culture Vincenzo.togni ( talk) 20:10, 25 November 2020 (UTC) thumb|Diego Maradona in Naples (2019)
Not done: The section already has 4 images, there isn't room for more.
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This is my first time editing a page about a living person who just died today. Does anyone know the procedure or have the link to the page explaining it? It would be greatly appreciated! Double Plus Ungood ( talk) 16:34, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
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The abstract concerning 1994 World Cup contains a factual error. Argentina were eliminated in the second round by Bulgaria (and not Romania, as the article reads currently) 46.114.39.158 ( talk) 20:24, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Why are there so many pending edits? Is this person dead? P,TO 19104 ( talk) ( contribs) 16:26, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Should we move the comments about Maradona's recent hospitalization and emergency brain surgery to the sub-section about his drug abuse and health issues? The reason why I am proposing this is because Maradona died from a heart attack, and that his heart attack seemed to not be related to his recent hospitalization. Feel free to leave your thoughts on this minor issue. Leiwang7 ( talk) 17:34, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Many sources call him "Diego Armando Maradona Franco", but the second last name is repeatedly removed from the page. Whatever this is about, it needs to be mentioned in the article. 46.114.105.116 ( talk) 17:34, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
One of the greatest football players, or one of the greatest sportsmen? It would help if this statement in the introduction were changed to "one of the greatest footballers of all time" or if the sentence were expanded to indicate that it means across all of sport. It has two sources, but one doesn't talk about any "greatest" ratings and the other is no longer working. 108.39.223.134 ( talk) 13:53, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
I feel that the current lead image is a bit blurry. I have no problem if its a photo of Maradona in his prime even if it dates back a few years, but the current lead image is very blurry. Here I'll list some good candidates for lead image. Feel free to add some images. I am adding this on the talk page for discussion to avoid a potential "edit war" over lead image. This way the lead image can be placed with consensus thus avoiding a tug of war over which image is the best. -- TDKR Chicago 101 ( talk) 13:47, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
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Hi. Yesterday I added the current infobox image for the article. However, I couldn't find any information about the author of the photo, and this information is necessary so that the image will not be deleted from Commons. Could someone help me to find the author of the photo? Here is the link. Thank you. -- Mazewaxie ( talk • contribs) 16:36, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
His father is of Galician heritage besides Croatian. Here all their bloodline in Geni and an article in their heritage with genealogic records.
His Galician bloodline since his great great grandfather arrived to Argentina https://www.geni.com/people/Francisco-Fern%C3%A1ndez-de-Maradona-y-Fuentes/6000000009889112409
Also about his Croatian heritage (mother side). His great grandfather was Croatian that's why her first daughter was named "Dalma". Here it only said a journalist said it has distant Coratian heritage. It should be change to a Croatian great gradfather and that's the reaso why he named her daughter Dalma.
His great grandfather was Matej Kariolić: https://www.geni.com/people/Matej-Karioli%C4%87/6000000025313772092
https://blog.myheritage.es/2010/06/diego-armando-maradona-de-ascendencia-croata-y-gallega/
He has Italian and Croatian heritage in his mother side: https://www.geni.com/people/Dalma-Salvadora-Franco-Cariolichi/6000000025313397313 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andy1985ar ( talk • contribs) 09:38, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
What vandalism occured? ZianSaal ( talk) 21:38, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
I don’t see how it is a mess. I looked at the difference, but did not find anything that messed it. ZianSaal ( talk) 02:35, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
I used to edit this article 10 years ago now I came back to it, it's disgusting its totally biased. You suggest he is a drug addict several times in the article and you dont need to do that more than once or twice "bulging eyes" "weird celebration"? Who cares about that. Also nothing is mentioned as how he was voted the best player of the century before Pele. He is widely regarded as the greatest too just like Pele is, by brazilian media and players like ronaldinho ronaldo R9 too and even the times magazine, that should be in the intro. Its really messed up! "He denies single handedly winning the WC" of course he does! Who would say yes, that would totally discredit his teammates? It's just a description of his performance. It is not mentioned he has the best single worldcup performance of all times either nor that he was the most fouled player in world cup history in 1986 and 1990, I remember putting the sources straight out of FIFA for those things but they took it out now! Totally different from the portuguese and spanish versions.! Even the portuguese version is more forgiving and neutral. It's really sad.The guys dead for christs sake pay some respect.
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There is absolutely no source for Maradona's Italian ancestry (that he probably doesn't have) other than internet articles based on nothing than his "Italian sounding surname". This was discussed here before (2016), but the information remains there. In the other hand, Maradona has proven Croatian ancestry, but my edition (with sources) was reverted. This is ridiculous. Dantadd ( talk) 22:40, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
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the table states he started coaching Argentina today. Can somebody change that, i am too inept at editing wiki to do that 82.73.99.96 ( talk) 16:37, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
It is perhaps no longer fair to state that Maradone is still addicted to drugs
During the 2006 Presidential Election Maradona went to play in Peru with an implicit support for Humala's campaign. I thought maybe some people here would like to use this image on the section about his political views and add the info about the Peruvian election. I know alot of people probably view this page so I thought I'd just suggest it here on the talk page.-- Jersey Devil 22:42, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
This part is rather uncomplete and, as we can see in Spanidh Wikipedia, his individual honors are much more than those that appear here. Through this link, you will see the complete list of all his prizes: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Armando_Maradona in the final part named "Distinciones Individuales". You may think, and why don't you do? the answer is in these words. My English is not correct enough in order to edit the Wikipedia. However, I know about Maradona and I am trying to aport more information. So, update it please.
PD: UPDATE THE FIRST PHOTO, THIS IS THE PAST, please.
Early in his European career, he won the Copa del Rey along with Barcelona. Does that mean he has shaken hands with King Juan Carlos de Borbon? If such be it, why is there no picture of this event? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.89.69.144 ( talk) 01:34, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
That would be a great idea. If you can find one WE CAN USE have at it. The encyclopedia anyone can edit, remember? Britmax ( talk) 16:39, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
A one sentence introduction on an article this long? Come on now, just two or three paragraphs is fine, otherwise it can't possibly adequately summarize the article, fails WP:LEAD, and shouldn't be a Good Article. I'm putting this article on hold until somebody can expand the lead. Homestarmy 00:18, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Folks, can someone update with the pronunciation of the name? would help a lot. Thank you. -- H P Nadig * \ Talk \ Contributions 17:19, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
This article reads like a fan site. WP:GA failed. The following instances of weasel words and/or uncited POV need fixed/cited WP:NOR:
I have added his link to Dalmatia Croatia as Trivia. It's true so it should be mentioned. Then story is well known and has been covered by the press in Croatia and Argentina. The connection with Marco Polo is interesting too.
In Argentina today some 500,000 people have a Croatian origin. Jagoda 1 04:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Mateo Kariolic is related to Marco Polo. Maradona is related to Mateo K. Very interesting when you look at that family tree from Korcula. Jagoda 1 03:05, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
I recently removed the comment "testing positive for performance-enhancing drugs." with "failing a doping test". The point is that even though an stimulant such as cafeine, ephedrine can't be directly considered a performance-enhancing drug. Given Maradona's overweight during the early 1990s, and the abrupt loos of it right before the start of the 1994 World Cup, it is considered to have been used for weight loss before the competition( In defence of Diego Maradona - Eddie Veal, see also Ephedra).
Something more, Efedrina is not prohibited for sports in USA and other countries, mainly because it is not considered an enhancer ( [1] [2], "Fútbol, a sol y sombra", Eduardo Galeano )
I'm not trying to justify Maradona's methods, I'm just trying to remove certain bias from the Article. For instance, he was banned also for cocaine in blood, what is not mentioned in the opening text.
All in all, there's a hole section of doping in the article, and suggiesting that he took the drug to enhance his performance during the tournament is biased, for it cannot be proved.
I'll rephrase it to be more specific, yet more neutral. Mariano( t/ c) 10:08, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
"...so that FIFA would not lose prestige over my absence". Can't say I believe that one. He had already held both FIFA and the principles of fair play in discontempt. Any reason to believe his alegation on "being allowed" to use ephidrine? Surely they are not that bent in FIFA? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.89.69.144 ( talk) 00:50, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Merely tagged as opposed to editing because I don't pretend to be an expert on the matter. I just happened to notice the apparent contradiction of having a "short and weak physique" and a "short and strong" playing type in the same paragraph. Tjtoml 04:17, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
There is constant reversion backwards and forwards between these or similar phrases in the opening paragraph. The article cited demonstrates that in an on-line poll to register preferences for the greatest player of the 20th century, Maradona received not only the greatest number of votes, but an absolute majority. Such a poll is unrepresentative, and open to block voting, and I would not be infavour of a comment saying that "most football fans consider him to be the greatest", but it does prove that many count him as the best. Although "many" is obviously non-specific, I would contend that it is less mealy-mouthed than "widely held". Likewise, it is verifiable that many have registered a preference for him as the best, wheras to say that he is "among the best" invites the question "the best what? The best 3? the best 20? the best 500?". Thus to say merely that he is "among the best" is to damn with faint praise, and to underestimate the esteem in which this player's ability is held. (I make no comment as to his character, except to suggest that it may have lead a significant number of people to be unwilling to give the recognition they might otherwise have done to his talent). Thus I propose that the first phrase in the heading of this section remain, but look forward to lively debate of the matter. Kevin McE 20:07, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Stubacca's changes. Claims are okay if and only if attributed. "John Doe is the best flute player<ref>[2007 FooBar internet poll]</ref>" is not acceptable, but "John Doe is the best flute player according to a 2007 FooBar internet poll" is. — Quarl ( talk) 2007-03-15 17:16Z
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According to this article, Maradona coached a club named Mandiyú de Corrientes. Is Mandiyú de Corrientes and Textil Mandiyú the same club? -- Carioca 05:58, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Can't someone post a picture of him lifting the world cup thats not copyright protected. I think that should be the picture most would remember maradona by. he is a footballer, and that was his greatest moment. ergo
It says he's playing for Liverpool in 1980!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aqua lem ( talk • contribs) 18:37, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
This man is generally known by the two word version of his name: the middle name is neither necessary nor commonplace in making clear to whom one is referring. I have undone the move that had been made with no discussion and no meaningful edit-note earlier today. Kevin McE ( talk) 17:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I have a question, why did you include all the goals (national and international club cups)?, even when you put the note "Senior Club appearances and goals counted for the DOMESTIC LEAGUE ONLY" down there. Kyosukekun ( talk) 01:28, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
In the first paragraph there is this "Considered to be one of the most overrated players of the 20th century". Considered by who? Please can you give us some reference because i feel this sentence is pulled right out of the hat. Thanx 131.188.245.159 ( talk) 12:42, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
In the book 'The Ultimate Fan's Handbook' by Michael Coleman, there is a question in the quiz section that states: "Finally, even as you're reading these words, somewhere in the world a future footballing star may be taking his first breath. Will his (or her) mum be able to tell? What did the doctors shout as Argentina's star Diego Maradona was born? a) It's a goal! b) It's a footballer! c) It's a hand!" All that on page 37. The answer, according to page 38, is a, it's a goal. They were footall fans, and Maradona was the first male child born that day. I added this to the article, but was accused of vandalism. I've given you my source, is it reliable? I think so. 86.135.209.39 ( talk) 16:51, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I am quoting directly from the book in question, so sorry if it sounds informal. I added "When Maradonna was born, Doctors cried "It's a goal!" as he was the first boy born that day" or something along those lines. It was removed because it wasn't sourced. I am posting a source. Sorry if I sound unreasonable, but I'm trying to improve the article 86.135.209.39 ( talk) 14:03, 26 May 2008 (UTC) I've read the link you provided, and as a result will give more info on the book in question. It's a footballing equivalent of Horrible Histories- which has a good reputation for fact checking. It's published by Scholastic, which also has a good rep for fact checking. 86.135.209.39 ( talk) 14:09, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to delete this statement "...to the club that he supported, Boca Juniors..." since there is no citation to it. Besides I know he wasn't a boca fan at all. Watching the popular soccer show in Argentina, Estudio Futbol, he stated that he was a supporter of Club Atlético Independiente before joining Boca. Ricardoread —Preceding comment was added at 15:09, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
There is an error, it says "STOP BU卐H" instead of "STOP BUSH".
I tried correcting this line TWICE, but "someone" keeps removing my edition "for some reason".
Source:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051121/timerman
"Signs carried by the crowd included "STOP BUSH" and "Pirate Bush, out of Mar del Plata." Crowd estimates varied, from 25,000 cited in the New York Times to 50,000 people cited by organizers." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.31.183.90 ( talk) 19:16, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Is maradona a Croat by a male line?? The Editor14 ( talk) 19:50, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
I believe Maradona was born in Lanus, but raised in villa fiorito. Ricardoread ( talk) 18:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
The full line reads that "Maradona won many trophies with Boca Juniors, FC Barcelona and SSC Napoli over the course of his career." I question the wording of this sentence. It sounds like he won many trophies with each of these teams, when in fact he didn't really do very much with either of the first two. He won the league once with Boca Juniors and the Copa del Rey and a Spanish supercup with Barcelona. Since he really only won 'many trophies' with Napoli, I'd say this line should sound something like this: "Over the course of his professsional career Maradona played for Boca Juniors, FC Barcelona, and, most distinguishedly, SSC Napoli."
-- Trefalcon ( talk) 12:44, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I just made a whole slew of additions, some changes, and a lot of cleaning up. -- Trefalcon ( talk) 14:23, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I strongly believe that, after Pele is described as such on wikipedia, Maradona certainly deserves similar praise. He won the FIFA poll at the end of last century, he has been named as such by many commentators, footballers, pundits and etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chief White Halfoat ( talk • contribs) 01:22, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
If someone argues that this statement is POV or unsourced, then I would ask them to remove it from the wikipage on Pele as well, where it also unsourced. Thank you. -- Chief White Halfoat ( talk) 01:25, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
OK. Is someone going to AT LEAST EXPLAIN HERE, WHY SUCH A STATEMENT IS POSSIBLE TO EXIST UNSOURCED IN THE WKIPAGE ABOUT PELE AND NOT HERE? -- Chief White Halfoat ( talk) 02:55, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't this incredibly emotional documentary be included under topic "In popular culture"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.70.95.54 ( talk) 22:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
In the table of Manager Stats I wrote the official matches in Mandiyú and Racing. I think in Argentina National Team we can do the same. -- Eduardocombe ( talk) 14:49, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
I suggest to move this paragraph and quotation from the Retirement and Honours section to the Personal Life section, right before the Family subtitle. Aldo L ( talk) 04:49, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Parts of the article reads like something from a fanzine. Please keep an uncyclopedic neutrality---even if you happen to be a fan. With Maradona's merits, the facts can speak for themselves. 94.220.243.113 ( talk) 01:22, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
" right wing and neoliberal presidency of Carlos Menem" Cite source confirming that Mr. Menem belongs to the "right wing" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.245.161.217 ( talk) 17:01, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Done. Xavier 21 ( talk) 02:10, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Add 2010 Category:FIFA World Cup managers ? 209.255.78.138 ( talk) 16:54, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
The Sevilla, Newell's paragraph is hardly readable because it is not written with regard to time. Since the second part takes place before the part, it is disjointed and makes the reader have to stop and reread to make sense of it. Also not too sure the two parts go together since one is about the demise of his soccer days and the other is not. A better transition in between or just rewriting the whole part seems to be in order. Definitely not up to standards of other Wikipedia articles. 65.191.152.205 ( talk) 13:58, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
So first off, I'm an American, completely unfamiliar with soccer. But I was reading through this article since Argentina seems to be doing well.
I ran across one cocaine use allegation and thought nothing, then I hit another, so I looked for inline citations about this and saw nothing. This is a biography of a living person thus (and this is my impression as a massively part time editor) these things either need to be cited or removed asap. So I am going to remove them. If they are true feel free to add them back with citations.
-- Senior Fire ( talk) 05:37, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
I take it back, the page it protected, however I think the comments about his drug use either need to be attributed or removed.
-- Senior Fire ( talk) 05:39, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
I agree about his drug use needing citation or removal. As an Argentine Im obviously biased but if its true (I don't know) it should stay, if it can not be backed up then its speculation and should be removed. --Messirulz Friday july 2, 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Messirulz ( talk • contribs) 06:09, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
-- I'm a Diego's fan and himself in the film Maradona by Kusturica he admits the usage of cocaine, so more citation than that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.215.221.120 ( talk) 19:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
I do not think the opening quote of the 'In Popular Culture' paragraph is relevant at all to this article. Outside of the USA, Diego Maradona is a much, much more famous person than Babe Ruth (who?), Mike Tyson and even Michael Jordan. So to anyone from 'the rest of the world' this quote tells them nothing about who Maradona is or how he is seen in the world/popular culture. I did not know what the Houston Chronicle is, but from following the link I learned it is a newspaper from Texas? How can a Texas newspaper be considered a relevant authority on the subject of Diego Maradona? This quote only has value for people from Texas/the USA.
Maradona is arguably the most famous footballer of all times. So I'm sure a much more relevant quote can found for this section, from perhaps another famous footballer, a recognized international authority on football, Argentine media, etc. If not, the quote should be deleted altogether since it has little to no value for the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.89.235.48 ( talk) 12:29, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
{{ editsemiprotected}} The information box about Maradona's managerial history with the Argentine national Team should be changed by replacing present to July 2010. Ole Clarin has reported that Maradona will no longer be the Manager of the Argentine Selection.
10boca12 ( talk) 02:23, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
A possibe edit/ addition for the current introduction?
On 15th August 2010, Maradonna's agent declared that Diego would be interested in the manager's position at the English Premier League team aston villa
source- http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Maradona-fancies-Villa-job-article555631.html?&ref=qr&p=1&c=36001 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patjn ( talk • contribs) 19:52, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
sug bale —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.103.203.135 ( talk) 08:25, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
There are two photographs. One shows Maradona's hand about a foot from the ball. The other appears to show it in contact with the ball. I think that faking, possibly with Photoshop, has been used. The images of Shilton and Maradona seem to have been moved up. Otherwise, the two are virtually identical. The dates when the two appeared should be interesting.
AND also sucks in the game — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.211.238.174 ( talk) 23:47, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
Hey ive checked Pele's article in the introduction with all his nominations as the best player by FIFA and footballing beaurocrats and i'm glad he deserves them. How about Maradona... Can we at least put his only award as the best player of the century in the introduction, I mean i know you all hate maradona with all your heart, but I think he deserves at least that....I mean wikipedia is a world wide information source by the people for the people and Maradona was chosen in the worldwide vote organized by FIFA and voted by the people themselves. I think it's fair I don't know.
Here is one of the many artiel in FIFA.. http://www.fifa.com/classicfootball/players/player=174732/bio.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by FIFApoll ( talk • contribs)
MY LAST EDIT AUG 20: Right little evidence...one guy from ESPN calling him a fat bastard who could dribble is lil evidence i guess, north american I think. Blatter too does not even consider him one of the greatest, bc he mixes personal life into that, it's a shame, but his own award backfired to maradona's side. Altercations with the press drug problems, put it at the top who cares, i never thought of that because it doesnt really matter to describe what he did on the pitch and I really dont care if its at the stop even at the first sentence as long as you put his recognitions there too. There's a missing informations and details at the worldcups he was in as well as what he did in napoli which was never repeated again, the times, not a journalist as you "nicely put it" , is not the only source who considers him as the best performance of the worldcup which is a huge thing though garrincha got pretty close, i think its pretty obvious if you have watched the wc and there are sources even quotes from DTs Golden Ball Players more Magazines and even at the FIFA WEBPAGE "single handedly won the worldcup with the best performance ever"... If the goal of the century was chosen by the people in the same manner the FIFA CENTURY AWARD was chosen and it's at the top, then there should say "best player of the century award" at the top page just like goal of the century to be fair or just like Pele's awards are all at the top he doesnt have a section, but i guess in all "your fairness" and you "watching over Maradona's Article" would take out both recognitions at the top and put it in the reference or really down there where people rarely read. There's nothing here to do, this is a biased wikipedia...I guess wikipedia it's not gonna be wikipedia for this article, at least in the english version.
But anyways like I said I tried, you win since you spend more time here but you shouldn't it's a bad thing for you.
At the end of the third paragraph of this section is the following: "Right after the goal occurred, it left the television commentator "sobbing in joy", and apologizing for his outburst.[17]". I'd recommend this was edited to specify that the commentator was Victor Hugo Morales. Perhaps the citation should also be changed to something available online, such as this? http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/news/newsid=1457457.html Zaprowsdower ( talk) 13:46, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
I feel the post below has some truths to it, there is a lot of interesting information regarding maradona's performance at every worldcup that is missing here. Can somebody edit more details of 1982? The harsh mark from gentile? 1986 how he won the golden ball by unanimous vote? or in 1990? where Maradona had more than three injuries and was the most fouled player in worldcup history in that tournament, he was also fouled every time he touched the ball in the game against brasil. The handball he did to save argentina from being defeated against USRR after nery pumpido broke his leg? Again the 1990 section makes Maradona look as if he was ordinary in that worldcup which I don't think is very true, as he won the Bronze ball which is not listed here. Important quotes and controversial quotes which also helped his team to the final and his statements after the final before the semifinal Napoli's extreme support for Maradona despite being italians in the semifinal? Ahh forgot how he dribbled past the entire italian defense to assist somebody who missed also ! those were great plays !
Anyways, I feel football fans are missing a lot of interesting information from Diego's worldcups.
More of his performance than his declarations. Then I don't know how wikipedia editing works. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.191.4.240 ( talk) 07:02, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
As for the history of Maradona in 1990 is very rich and much more interesting but I will try to edit that when possible.
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The article is poorly sourced concerning the claims for the best ever player. Views are concentrated on one World Cup performance of Maradona(which Castrol Rankings claim it was not the best ever. Still, a misleading reference used in this article) and on one Internet poll in 2000. Most sources and experts rate Maradona in second and third place. http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/best-x-players-of-y.html#ff-poc, http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2006/5051768.stm, http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2931/go-global/2010/10/22/2178640/over-50-per-cent-of-goalcom-uk-readers-believe-brazilian http://www.englandfootballonline.com/TeamHons/HonsWldSocPlyrsCent.html, http://goldenfoot.com/pele-the-king-to-be-crowned-in-monte-carlo-at-10th-edition-of-the-golden-foot-awards/, http://www.iffhs.de/?42d03e32a16f43809fa3c17c13c09e20a15ff3c09f32b17f7370eff3702bb1c2bbb6e28fc380de43110f83d00e09 http://latestsports-update.blogspot.se/2012/03/users-of-leo-messi-crowned-marcacom.html, http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2012/04/12/3032147/messi-better-than-maradona-admits-ardiles Lsw10 ( talk) 00:00, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Hello, I'd like to know why Maradona's article is the only for a footballer that states that he is the greatest footballer of all time. Pelé, Beckenbauer, Cruijff, Garrincha, none of theses player's articles says that. Thank you. 189.104.125.79 ( talk) 15:39, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Citations about polls, and votes of players and experts should not be deleted. These references should not be deleted from the page. That is vandalism. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] Considering the whole number of different sources the phrase: Many experts, football critics, former players, current players and football fans in general consider Maradona as one of the greatest football players of all time. is quite accurate. Lsw10 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:46, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
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I have added this part giving information on some votes about Maradona but they were deleted. I would like to know why: In 1999, he was came second in the Football Player of the Century vote by the IFFHS International Federation of Football History and Statistics. In the same year French weekly magazine France-Football consulted their former "Ballon D'Or" winners to elect the Football Player of the Century. Maradona came in second place ater Pelé. [1] Lsw10 ( talk) 16:18, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
If you really want to add all those details, why don't you also add in Pele's front page first sentences that he came second to the worldwide online poll done by FIFA and the fact that they had to come up with a committe of experts to choose Pele after he lost the official award?
Or Why don't you add the fact that maradona also won other awards and the fact that maradona had best singular performance in the history of the worldcup even above Pele himself supported by thousands of sources online? Or the fact that Pele was not really the best player in all the worldcups he won? Even the 1970 statistics done by 100 experts at Castrol Rankings choose Jairzinho over Pele?
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Castrol ranking is relevant only to get the best player from each WC and it is a score of efficiency not a score of the player's skill. Those 5 argentina players had the highest efficiency thanks to Maradona's playmaking skills, look at the goals they scored and all of the goals except for 1 goal of argentina in 1986 went through maradona's foot. Can you say that about any other players? No. Castrol is useless to measure the best player of all WCs, only from each WC, which rightly so puts pele in third place as his performance was not that good compared to Mueller and Jairzinho. And no your edits are biased you only choose the sources that's convenient for you and everyone can see that.
I really can't be bothered to read that mess of interspersed and undated comments. You have taken it upon yourself to ensure that the phrase "considered by ... to be the greatest player" is present in Pele's article, while refusing to permit it in this article. That is the pursuit of a POV that is not acceptable, and unless and until you address that issue, your contributions here cannot be assumed to be made in goodwill. Kevin McE ( talk) 18:02, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
KevinMcE, Castrol Rankings website does not rate Maradona as the best player ever. Some of websites rankings are used by a Goal.com article to compare Pele and Maradona´s World cup performances of 1970 and 1986. http://www.goal.com/en/news/2939/castrol-football-zone/2010/10/23/2176900/castrol-debate-pele-versus-maradona-the-stats-which-reveal According to Castrol Rankings the best performance in World Cups is of Ronaldo in 2002.(Highest score since its count from 1966) It is a clearly misleading article, only comparing two players and without counting Pele'e first two World Cups, due to lack of footage of all matches to support their analysis. http://www.castrolfootball.com/legends/tournament/index.php?year=2002 The citation is in conflict with the Wikipedia article. Lsw10 ( talk) 23:20, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
There are thousands of sources describing the fact that Maradona in 1986 had the best WorldCup Performance in history. He is widely known for this very reason and why he is considered one of the greatest of all time, if not the greatest.
I think it should be put in the top of the article with sources. It's not an opinion really, it's a fact widespread among the entire footballing community.
No, that's a score of efficiency and the score varies in different worldcups due to their attacking styles era and goals per game and team. Maradona had the most contribution in any WC and the most influence during any worldcup than any other player and this is even said in the castrol ranking page "single handedly won the worldcup". Ronaldo had the highest because he was efficient and how? look at his goals...they are joke they were easy compared to maradona's 2nd best goal in history (belgium) and england's. What you can get from those rankings is the best player from each WC, not all WCs and this is why Pele was third, he wasn't that influential and efficient relative to the others muller and jairzinho. All the footballing community agrees that Diego had the best performance on a singular WC ever this is backed up by thousands of articles online and documentals and videos.
Gk2014 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:10, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
I have restored part of the lead to simply say "He was joint FIFA Player of the 20th Century with Pelé."
User:69.117.45.144 has insisted on fluffing that out, trying to make it look like Pele was not worthy of the accolade, and has been reverted by other editors as well. When I last reverted him he advised me to come to the talk page, so here I am.
User:69.117.45.144 has clearly disclosed bias on this. A month ago, he argued that information should not be in this article because it is about Maradona, not Pele, and said in reality maradona was the real winner of this award. He's wrong. They were joint winners, as the references show. Information added by 69.117.45.144 made the lead section look like an actual article, not summarising facts, but making a political/POV/fanzine one-sided point. So I have reverted again. It could be useful to have a FIFA Player of the 20th Century section in the article, but it could never survive if it was a POV pro Maradonna anti Pele thinkpiece. Moriori ( talk) 23:45, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Why add the mother's family name, when it is not the practice in Argentina? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.58.250 ( talk) 17:50, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
What preceeding comment say is true. In Argentina, Spanish name customs are only optionally followed and it is still rather uncommon. Maradona's legal name is "Diego Armando Maradona" and not "Diego Armando Maradona Franco" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.167.159.183 ( talk) 00:48, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
why no "time to fap" meme refrence in the popular culture section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.234.248.32 ( talk) 16:15, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
"The goal itself has been viewed as being an embodiment of the Buenos Aires shantytown Maradona was brought up in and it's concept of viveza criolla — native cunning.[69]"
Others would call it cheating. Or at best poor sportsmanship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.9.151.254 ( talk) 05:25, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
How come his two (most used) nioknames are not really mentioned? El Diez or Pelusa.
Everyone that knows him, pretty much knows him as "Pelusa" ... so its strange the nicknames are not really mentioned (ok in one section they are mentioned, but not very specific as his nickname) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.131.89.132 ( talk) 20:11, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
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FC Barcelona's website (.com) does not say that "Maradona" is his only family name. SLBedit ( talk) 19:03, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
He's going to pass it to Diego, there's Maradona with it, two men on him, Maradona steps on the ball, there goes down the right flank the genius of world football, he leaves the wing and he's going to pass it to Burruchaga... Always Maradona! Genius! Genius! Genius! There, there, there, there, there, there! Goaaaaaaaal! Goaaaaaaal! I want to cry, oh holy God, long live football! What a goal! Die-goal! Maradona! It's to cry, excuse me! Maradona, in a memorable run, in the best play of all times! Little cosmic comet, which planet did you come from, to leave so many Englishmen behind, so that the country becomes a clenched fist crying for Argentina? Argentina 2, England 0! Die-goal, Die-goal, Diego Armando Maradona! Thank you, God, for football, for Maradona, for these tears, for this Argentina 2, England 0.
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Sources state Maradona is a Galician surname (indeed it is not present in Italy, only in the Galician coast of Spain). Apparently he also has a Croat ancestor on his mother's side. Asilah1981 ( talk) 13:54, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
As per Spanish-language wikipedia, Maradona has "Galician, Croatian and Indigenous-American ancestry". There is nothing to support any Italian origin. The journalist of Time magazine must have made the common mistake of assuming the "Maradona" is an Italian surname. I have added a Spanish-language source which explains how common it is for people to make this erroneous assumption. Asilah1981 ( talk) 14:07, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
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Is Diego Armando Maradona of Spanish or Italian ancestry? Asilah1981 ( talk) 12:51, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
An editor here considers that 1) It is verified that Maradona has Italian ancestry and 2) that "it is not verified" that he has Spanish (Galician) ancestry. On this basis, the firs skirmishes of an edit war have prompted me to start an RfC so other editors can comment. I would like to point out the following:
For now, this should be enough. I have just had a first look into sources but can find more. Asilah1981 ( talk) 14:18, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
Comment I think you can clarify: 1. Maradona is a spanish origin lastname per sources, and he has Spanish ancestory; 2. Maradona is mistaken as an Italian last name. CuriousMind01 ( talk) 12:15, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
Comment The origin of the surname is irrelevant (Obama has several European countries in his ancestry, how would you know that from the name?). There appear to be sources saying he claims Italian ancestry, are there sources saying THIS Maradona claims to be Spanish? There are other ways of acquiring a 'family name' than ancestry. Pincrete ( talk) 20:25, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
Deleted the whole lot. This is not the place for poorly sourced polemic and attempts to garner some reflected pride. Sources are thoroughly unconvincing; if surname is linked to mid eighteenth century as claimed above that is evidence of about 0.1% of bloodline. Nationality of putative ancestors several generations ago entirely irrelevant. None of the sources give any grounds for confidence in rigorous research. BLP: "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately" Kevin McE ( talk) 08:31, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
Delete all mention of European ancestry per Kevin McE's recommendation. I see no clear proof either way, and this looks like fodder for nationalist editing. Called by bot. - Darouet ( talk) 15:25, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
I have removed (pending approval of the modification) the reference to the nickname "The butcher from Bilbao" for Athletic Bilbao defender Andoni Goikoetxea. I think such editorializing belongs to yellow journalism and has no place in an encyclopedic article that is not even about Goikoetxea. 88.14.18.253 ( talk) 11:30, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
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Could someone explain why his famous warm up in 1989 is not mentioned on this page? It is one of the most iconic warm ups in the history of soccer!
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We have articles on Lionel Messi, Diego Maradona, Pelé, and probably other footballers all stating some variation of them being widely considered the greatest in history or of all time. At Talk:Cristiano Ronaldo, it was proposed to use the same language after Ronaldo's recent Ballon d'Or and subsequent hype. The very fact that we have at least three articles making the same claim, not to mention the perpetual "greatest of all time" debates that occur in every sport, suggests that all these articles should say: "widely considered to be one of the greatest ever" or equivalent to comply with WP:NPOV. It is obviously a fiercely debated topic and stating any one player as "the greatest" is non-encyclopedic. I have accordingly made this change but I am obviously open to establishing a consensus for the preferred language. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:16, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
I have opened three separate discussions instead of one centralized one here because there may be differing reasons for each to revert, modify, or support the change.People can easily follow the links from that notification to here and to the other conversations, if they wish. Or they can continue the conversation at the Project board, whatever they wish. It's about providing options. To reply to your other arguments, it looks silly for Wikipedia to be descending into a debate that is non-factual and entirely opinion-based which has no answer. How do you propose to sort those whose opinions on this matter? Only coaches, only "respected" sports journalists? How do we define "respected"? Do we consider every opinion on "the greatest" to matter? Do we start having strings of citations to Quora and onefootballforum and ESPN fan sites? There's no logical cut-off for where one opinion is acceptable and citable and another isn't so we might as well acknowledge them all and equally aacknowledge the unsolvable
A subject like "Greatest football player of all time" is not something that can actually be measured, so it's more correct to just write "one of the best...". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.111.233.230 ( talk) 19:57, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Don’t listen to Eggishorn. He’s trying to push his own agenda. No one has used Quora or ESPN fan sites to state that Pele, Messi or Maradona are the best ever. People have actually used The Guardian, Telegraph, The Independent and other valuable publications. I only made this account because he’s completely ignoring the relevant citations. SonqreQ ( talk) 22:45, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
I agree with SonreQ, although it seems that Ronaldo fans are responsible for this. Unhappy that Messi is generally considered the greatest, alongside Pele and Maradona, they are wanting the sentences of all to state the same thing, including Ronaldo. This is nonsense, as Ronaldo is never, and never has been, widely considered to be the greatest of all time, whereas Pele, Maradona and Messi have. It is clearly a bias by Ronaldo fans who lack objectivity. If we now have Ronaldo being described in similar terms as Maradona and Pele, then Wikipedia is a complete joke. FourFourTwo recently compiled a 100 greatest footballers of all time, which might be of interest to Egghorn, who it seems is attempting some sort of objectivity, but is perhaps lacking a clear understanding of the subject, as Maradona, Pele and Messi are generally considered above all other players. O'Flannery ( talk) 23:50, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
This keeps getting reverted, but no one who reverts is participating in this conversation. That many people in the sport consider Maradona to be the greatest of all time is a fact and it is well-sourced. That many others consider other people to be the greatest of all time does not negate that; it merely means that it is not unanimous, which "many" implies. -- irn ( talk) 14:52, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
In 14 May he became chairman of Brest — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:60A:A100:A0F1:B8F8:420A:73DB ( talk) 18:09, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
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Pelé scored more goals. Lionel Messi has won more trophies. Both have lived more stable lives than the overweight former cocaine addict who tops this list, whose relationship with football became increasingly strained the longer his career continued. If you’ve seen Diego Maradona with a football at his feet, you’ll understand.
— Andrew Murray on Maradona topping FourFourTwo magazine's 100 greatest players list, July 2017.[93]
This line is in the style of play section and has nothing to do with Maradona's style of play. It is instead comparing the amount of goals he scored to Pele and the amount of trophies he won compared to Messi. Neither of which has anything to do with style of play, they are to do with accomplishments.
Please just delete this paragraph it has nothing to do with this section.
Barrbarr1990 ( talk) 22:56, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
I see Messi fans doing whatever they want in Wikipedia. what a joke!
yes you're right — Preceding unsigned comment added by Floydtim091 ( talk • contribs) 01:42, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
"Many in the sport, including football writers, players, and fans, regard him as the greatest football player of all time." Why would anyone believe such a thing? Time has not yet ended. 31.52.252.166 ( talk) 17:01, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
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The second sentence of the lead states "He is widely regarded as one of the greatest football players of all time."
The claim needs the usual kinds of sources to remain in the article. Has anybody got one or more? Twistlethrop ( talk) 08:12, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
i made one change. i put the current name for the 60m goal for us, the argentinians. its name is "The cosmic kite" or "el barilete cosmico"
Someone with permission pls edit!! - in the 1994 World Cup section it says Romania kicked Argentina out, it should be Bulgaria. The result was Argentina 0 - 2 Bulgaria.
Maradona's father was born on November 12, 1927 in Esquina, Corrientes ( https://caras.perfil.com/noticias/celebridades/2015-06-30-41351-don-diego-el-padre-de-dios.phtml) and died on June 25, 2015 in Palermo, Buenos Aires ( https://www.clarin.com/deportes/don-diego-red_0_rJye37wtD7e.html). Will someone include this please? 2605:E000:121C:8B69:184A:3D8C:EF9D:9391 ( talk) 23:34, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
Maradona was not transferred to Boca Juniors, but played there as a loan for one year in exchange for 4 million plus the final transfer to Argentinos Juniors of 4 players and the loan of 2 more players for a year with his contract pay by Boca Juniors. I don't know why this loan is always referred to as a definitive transfer -- 181.29.125.114 ( talk) 22:18, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
I heard about that he was given a dipldomatic status with a jumbo passport to add. This was given just as he turned 18, and was heading for Europe. No one knows what either confirms....or disconfirms this. Anything to add on this point?
Hi. Does anyone have a source about Maradona's appearances for Argentina U20? All I was able to find is this document about the 1979 FIFA World Youth Championship, but I was not able to find any reliable source about his supposed games at the 1977 and 1979 South American U-20 Championships. Thanks. -- Mazewaxie ( talk • contribs) 19:01, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
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Died 25th November 2020 due to a cardiac arrest. 2.27.81.149 ( talk) 16:37, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
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Diego Maradona has passed away, on the 25th of November 2020, due to sudden cardiac arrest https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8986821/Diego-Maradona-died-suffering-cardiac-arrest-according-reports.html NoahRushaidat ( talk) 16:55, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
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Diego Maradona passed away on 25th November 2020
Why does it keep changing? I was wondering if we should have a poll on what people prefer? Govvy ( talk) 19:28, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
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new image for the section in popular culture Vincenzo.togni ( talk) 20:10, 25 November 2020 (UTC) thumb|Diego Maradona in Naples (2019)
Not done: The section already has 4 images, there isn't room for more.
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This is my first time editing a page about a living person who just died today. Does anyone know the procedure or have the link to the page explaining it? It would be greatly appreciated! Double Plus Ungood ( talk) 16:34, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
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The abstract concerning 1994 World Cup contains a factual error. Argentina were eliminated in the second round by Bulgaria (and not Romania, as the article reads currently) 46.114.39.158 ( talk) 20:24, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Why are there so many pending edits? Is this person dead? P,TO 19104 ( talk) ( contribs) 16:26, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Should we move the comments about Maradona's recent hospitalization and emergency brain surgery to the sub-section about his drug abuse and health issues? The reason why I am proposing this is because Maradona died from a heart attack, and that his heart attack seemed to not be related to his recent hospitalization. Feel free to leave your thoughts on this minor issue. Leiwang7 ( talk) 17:34, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Many sources call him "Diego Armando Maradona Franco", but the second last name is repeatedly removed from the page. Whatever this is about, it needs to be mentioned in the article. 46.114.105.116 ( talk) 17:34, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
One of the greatest football players, or one of the greatest sportsmen? It would help if this statement in the introduction were changed to "one of the greatest footballers of all time" or if the sentence were expanded to indicate that it means across all of sport. It has two sources, but one doesn't talk about any "greatest" ratings and the other is no longer working. 108.39.223.134 ( talk) 13:53, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
I feel that the current lead image is a bit blurry. I have no problem if its a photo of Maradona in his prime even if it dates back a few years, but the current lead image is very blurry. Here I'll list some good candidates for lead image. Feel free to add some images. I am adding this on the talk page for discussion to avoid a potential "edit war" over lead image. This way the lead image can be placed with consensus thus avoiding a tug of war over which image is the best. -- TDKR Chicago 101 ( talk) 13:47, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
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Hi. Yesterday I added the current infobox image for the article. However, I couldn't find any information about the author of the photo, and this information is necessary so that the image will not be deleted from Commons. Could someone help me to find the author of the photo? Here is the link. Thank you. -- Mazewaxie ( talk • contribs) 16:36, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
His father is of Galician heritage besides Croatian. Here all their bloodline in Geni and an article in their heritage with genealogic records.
His Galician bloodline since his great great grandfather arrived to Argentina https://www.geni.com/people/Francisco-Fern%C3%A1ndez-de-Maradona-y-Fuentes/6000000009889112409
Also about his Croatian heritage (mother side). His great grandfather was Croatian that's why her first daughter was named "Dalma". Here it only said a journalist said it has distant Coratian heritage. It should be change to a Croatian great gradfather and that's the reaso why he named her daughter Dalma.
His great grandfather was Matej Kariolić: https://www.geni.com/people/Matej-Karioli%C4%87/6000000025313772092
https://blog.myheritage.es/2010/06/diego-armando-maradona-de-ascendencia-croata-y-gallega/
He has Italian and Croatian heritage in his mother side: https://www.geni.com/people/Dalma-Salvadora-Franco-Cariolichi/6000000025313397313 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andy1985ar ( talk • contribs) 09:38, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
What vandalism occured? ZianSaal ( talk) 21:38, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
I don’t see how it is a mess. I looked at the difference, but did not find anything that messed it. ZianSaal ( talk) 02:35, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
I used to edit this article 10 years ago now I came back to it, it's disgusting its totally biased. You suggest he is a drug addict several times in the article and you dont need to do that more than once or twice "bulging eyes" "weird celebration"? Who cares about that. Also nothing is mentioned as how he was voted the best player of the century before Pele. He is widely regarded as the greatest too just like Pele is, by brazilian media and players like ronaldinho ronaldo R9 too and even the times magazine, that should be in the intro. Its really messed up! "He denies single handedly winning the WC" of course he does! Who would say yes, that would totally discredit his teammates? It's just a description of his performance. It is not mentioned he has the best single worldcup performance of all times either nor that he was the most fouled player in world cup history in 1986 and 1990, I remember putting the sources straight out of FIFA for those things but they took it out now! Totally different from the portuguese and spanish versions.! Even the portuguese version is more forgiving and neutral. It's really sad.The guys dead for christs sake pay some respect.
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There is absolutely no source for Maradona's Italian ancestry (that he probably doesn't have) other than internet articles based on nothing than his "Italian sounding surname". This was discussed here before (2016), but the information remains there. In the other hand, Maradona has proven Croatian ancestry, but my edition (with sources) was reverted. This is ridiculous. Dantadd ( talk) 22:40, 8 December 2020 (UTC)