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This article seems to have deteriorated over time, there are comments that have been inserted that are totally whacky they are verging on the pure fantasy such as the didgeridoo being used as a weapon and for smoking drugs. Simply not true. There needs to be concerted effort to edit this article to bring it up to scratch. The article seems to have been neglected for some time. -- Rainbow warrior ( talk) 12:55, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
I added pictures of didgeridoo on the french wikipedia, use it freely :
Aoineko 13:39 Apr 23, 2003 (UTC)
Not fussed on which photos of the Didjeridoo is up there as long as it is an Australian Didjeridoo! One from it's origins are better. But no point in having some hippie protesting about wall street while playing a fake indonesian bamboo instrument which is ripping off our culture. Isn't he complaining about wall street ripping the world off while our culture is being ripped off. I would prefer to have these instruments banned from being imported and are ultimately so very bad for your health. However, until that time, please try a picture of a real Didjeridoo! These fake Didjeridoos are killing our culture through pride and economics! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.91.109.98 ( talk) 12:01, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Hmarin ( talk) 11:07, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Hmarin ( talk) 06:01, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
With all the chopping and changing of didge performer photos we have ended up with two photos and one video of non-aboriginal buskers in other countries, and none of an Aboriginal player in Australia. This does not really make a lot of sense. We need to stop replacing the photos with pictures of ourselves or our mates busking in Barcelona or Manhattan and focus on the subject matter. I would love to see a picture of the young master uploaded but do not have one of my own to use. Djapa Owen ( talk) 10:30, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Is the correct spelling didgeridoo or didjeridoo? I'm seeing both spellings here. Can someone clean up the page with the correct spelling? Cheers
I would suggest that the top pic of the didg. have a caption mentioning that this example is much more ornate than many others. Most that I have seen have a very simple exterior design, if any. Matt gies 02:54, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Hmm, is Digeridoo a valid spelling? I see it redirects here - therefore the Aphex Twin track with that (deliberate?) mis-spelling could I suppose be mentioned here, but is it really worth mentioning a single song on the article? Evercat 03:05, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The preferred academic spelling is to go with the phonetic spelling, didjeridu, since it is a onomatopoeic term. -- Pdhadley 19:39, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
203.202.120.156 removed some of the external links because there were too many commercial adverts. First off, It's as Irish as - er - didgeridoo is a link to an article about the etymology of didgeridoo at Flinders University, not an advert. A couple of the others, although they may be commercial sites have useful and relevant content, e.g. mp3 and flash files.
I don't know if the others are problematic (I haven't looked at them, but they're not bothering me by being there), but maybe a more detailed comment here would be in order before deleting them. — Moilleadóir 08:34, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
We really need to be more discerning what external links are allowed. Too many commercial sites and hobby sites with little or no useful information are infiltrating the links section. To be included, a site should be a reference site with authoratative information. Compare with the feature article on Emu which only has 2 external links. More non-web references are required for this article. -- Rainbow warrior 22:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I've joined the fight against the digeridoostore spammer also - keep up your spirits - we'll get him in the end. he's now got a named account so we can perhaps have a better chance of getting him blocked?
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00:52, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
A didg template for the Babel box is now available, the details are on the Wikipedia:Instruments page. - Rooivalk 01:59, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
The increasing additions of purported Irish Gaelic language origins for the name didgeridoo seems excessive, and highly implausible. Badagnani 16:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
There seem to be far too many musicians listed, most of whom are a long way down the notoriety stakes and wouldn't get a look in for any other instrument. Should we establish some criteria for inclusion such as independent, reputable press? Linking to the owner's own commercial web sites doesn't help. Garglebutt / (talk) 00:26, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
I would agree that applying some criteria would help. I share the feeling that half of the names are perhaps self proclaimed famous. Some ideas for criteria: - independent press/reviews (as suggested by Garglebutt) - voting principle? however, who can vote? when does someone have enough votes? - website with also objective background info (either about the player or the band) that proves the fact of being "famous" - having toured in more than one country? with gigs, workshops? - special cases?
Please add and comment :-)
Should voting be an option, here's my first reaction:
Mark Atkins DEFINITELY!
Jay Atwood Perhaps
William Barton Perhaps
David Blanasi DEFINITELY!
Andy Billings no?
Wallis Buchanan Perhaps
John Butler perhaps?
Bruce Copley no?
Ash Dargan YES
Alan Dargin DEFINITELY!
Stuart Dempster Perhaps?
Darryl Dikarrna Don't know
Ernie Dingo No?
Grahm Doe No?
Douglas Ewart No?
Tom Fronza No
Ganga Giri Yes!
Andy Graham Yes
Rob Grant No?
Rupert Grint No
Djalu Gurruwiwi DEFINITELY!
Rolf Harris Yes
David Hudson Yes!
Marko Johnson Yes
Scott Johnson No?
Stephen Kent Yes!
Jeremy Lembo Perhaps??
Christian Lindberg No?
Wandjuk Marika Yes?
Charlie McMahon DEFINITELY
Adam Plack Yes!
Xavier Rudd Yes!
Manfred Scheffknecht No?
Will Seachnasaigh No?
Stephen Wehmeyer No
Graham Wiggins Yes
David Williams Yes
Gapanbulu Yunupingu Perhaps
Makuma Yunupingu Perhaps
Yomunu Yunupingu Perhaps
Tom Evans Don't know
Rob Fraser No?
Natalie Small No?
Charlie Small No?
Talle E. Wacker No?
Didgeweb 16:01, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I would suggest getting rid of the notable players section altogether. Take a look at Guitar which is an instrument notorious for big egos and self-proclaimed masters... there is no notable players section there. From an Australian point of view, of those on the list, only David Blanasi, Djalu Gurruwiwi, and Alan Dargin would qualify as standout musicians who would have longevity as far as being remembered in the future is concerned. Let's start trimming the list or get rid of it altogether.-- Rainbow warrior 22:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Badagnani suggested that if a person has put out CDs and has studied with someone well known like Djalu Gurruwiwi, that could qualify for notable status. How do people feel about that? It is a pretty relaxed set of criteria because if we took this on board, there would literally be thousands who have released CDs and many many hundreds who have studied with Djalu Gurruwiwi. If you listen to John Groves' playing, you will discern that there is nothing notable about it... pretty much run-of-the-mill stuff. That is just my opinion, what you others think? Shall we include Groves and if so should we similarly include everyone else who has released CDs and/or studied with Djalu? -- Rainbow warrior 03:04, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
On the notable section: I can fully live with a "famous" section, where in my view I would like Djalu, David Blanasi, Charlie McMahon and perhaps Rolf Harris (apparently having brought the didge to attention in the UK and further?). And that's about it AFAIK. When starting re-writing, perhaps also check what is written in "the didgeridoo from Arnhemland to the Internet" (have to find it, I should have it somewhere). Didgeweb 17:21, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
The "notable" section gets IMHO way too big and doesn't serve any purpose anymore. If nothing happens and no one objects, I'll trim it to 5 players max. I am considering moving people to a new wikipedia page called "people who think they can play didgeridoo really cool" (or something similar) :-)
Here's my proposed list:
Didgeweb 04:47, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
With all due respect, but the Notable Player section is becoming more or more dominant than the actual information about the didge. This way I cannot take this section truly serious anymore. There are people on this list that IMHO are really not notable at all, or notable must be degraded to something that to me becomes equal to "having recorded something", or "being able to play didgeridoo better than your average neighbour". If the "notable" section is required, I would strongly suggest to limit the list to max 5 players, or otherwise make it a separate page. Didgeweb 07:33, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Didgeweb 10:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not accept links to sites that are primarily commercial in nature. Furthermore, the purpose of links, as described in WP:EL is to enhance the content of the article. The links that I have removed, and am about to remove again, are not acceptable per this policy. Please do not replace them. I would strongly suggest re-evaluating the list of "notable" players. One might well argue that if they have never received an independent review which can be properly sourced, they are inherently non-notable. I will probably get back to this in the future to review and remove non-notable entries if no one else does it in the meantime. Doc Tropics 07:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
How About A Fresh Start?
Oh, hiding text (for the purpose of adding "invisible" comments or requests for clarification is simply done by adding "<!--" before and "-->" (without quotes) after text. Some of the players without Wikilinks are probably notable players, as some of the websites are fairly extensive. But of course it's a continuum of notability, as with anything. We can evaluate them individually if that's of interest, or move the entire list of players to a separate article if it gets too long (I believe it is getting long). Badagnani 21:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Where did these come from? Were they all links provided in the list of didgeridoo players, for players with no WP pages of their own? If the link describes a player and his/her work, the reason for the links was solely to verify that name as an actual name of a didgeridoo player as opposed to a fake name, many of which have been regularly added here over the past months. It's just impossible for those of us who maintain this page if we have no way to do this and have to do a Web search on every player in the list every time a new name is added.
Badagnani
22:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Notability can vary from topic to topic, and it's unlikely that didge players will get the same kind of coverage that a rock group does, nor would it be reasonable to apply the same standards. However, I might suggest that a minimum standard for notability would be:
While I'm only passing familiar with didge "culture" it seems to be that this might be a reasonable standard. Any thoughts or suggestions on this? Doc Tropics 22:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Maybe we need a new section in the article Man arrested over didgeridoo attack [1] -- ArmadilloFromHellGateBridge 04:38, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Following up on a remark that the age of the didge was not supported by a reference I added a reference to Journey in Time, George Chaloupka, p. 189. Badagnani suggested to put references at the end of the document. Is this a good suggestion? So next to the external links add a section "references"? Didgeweb 15:23, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I started this new thread so we can discuss possible additional and/or replacement images of the instrument being used. I'd like to keep this to images that actually exist already, and we can use (there's no point talking about what we wish we could have). I found this page which has this image. It's not fantastic resolution, but it does focus more on the instrument, and there's a clear view of the end (mike side) of the instrument. And it's public domain.-- Rob ( talk) 08:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
We should choose photos carefully to go along with the text. IMO the military didge photo is in a strange context. For now, the "non-traditional" didge photo seems okay. Badagnani ( talk) 09:17, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
I know very little about the instrument it's self, but is the clame that it is the oldest wind instrument credible. The text that goes with it says that it can be confirmed to have existed around 500 BCE. However, I am pretty sure the Greeks, Egyptians, Chinese, and many other cultures had flutes and whistles well before that. 71.184.205.6 ( talk) 07:18, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Removed the above, unsubstantiated claims are not encyclopedic without a reference to the claim, and no reference has appeared in a year and a half. User:Pedant ( talk) 03:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
(Moved from the main page. I'd suggest a new wiki page for this topic if this is really relevant. Didgeweb ( talk) 04:54, 9 August 2008 (UTC) )
Didgeridoo (also known as didgy) is a small digimon creature that usually varies around two to three feet in height. It is native to the Tamers region. It also is recognizable by its bright pink and green coloration and razor sharp talons. It is a very violent digimon and is believed to have killed 300,000,000,000,000 people and other digimon.
I'm not knowledgeable about this subject so will leave it to others to decide whether this is significant enough to include, but here's a Daily Telegraph (UK) article about the Daring Book for Girls causing a row by including (in draft form, anyway) a section on didgeridoo playing. Mark Rose, quoted, seems adamant that females must not play the instrument, but that doesn't seem to fit with this piece (already mentioned in Wikipedia's article) which is a lot less clear-cut. 86.136.250.66 ( talk) 18:47, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
The didgeridoo seems a relatively simple instrument to create. Are there any records of its invention by cultures independent of Indigenous Australia?-- ZayZayEM ( talk) 08:16, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Someone added barely changed text from this story about Nicole Kidman. I've reverted the possible copyvio, but want to know whether it's worth mentioning in this article before readding a rewritten version. -- Skarl 10:19, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
I've gone through and done a general copyedit of the entire article, reorganised sections, images, etc, added the musical instrument infobox and I may upload some construction photos and other images later. Can we please ensure that we source information and make actual contributions before we tag things with fact dates, whos and wheres, this is the only way we can improve articles on WP, by making actual contributions. Nick carson ( talk) 03:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Referenced in the article. No other references to "Ubarr in Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.197.11.28 ( talk) 13:14, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
I don't think the Didgeridoo should be classified as a woodwind instrument. As far as I can tell it is a brass instrument, since you make the sound by oscillating your lips. Ahltorp ( talk) 21:07, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Not sure where to put this suggestion but a popular game entitled "Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity" Features a didj as one of the main instruments on the course "Gigan Rocks" Here's a link to it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibJ19ESXjWQ Some pretty nice playing too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.130.142.87 ( talk) 21:34, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
I've taken out the section on Modern didgeridoo innovations, replacing it with a shortened section called "Didgeridoo in popular culture", and merged the previous innovations section into a 2nd article, Modern didgeridoo designs, on the basis that the modern didgeridoos are not technically authentic traditional didgeridoos. I'm also titling the main didgeridoo article "Didgeridoo (traditional)". This puts this article more inline with what musicologists recognize as the authentic traditional didgeridoo i.e. a traditional instrument made by indigenous Australians from hollow Eucalyptus logs eaten out by termites. The modern designs are also recognized by musicologists as being quite distinct from traditional didgeridoos, especially the multitonal qualities of sliding didgeridoos, with characteristics more inline with Western instruments. Wiki needs to reflect this in the articles, as the Cornu is as distinct from a French horn. Comments welcome. John Moss ( talk) 11:33, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
I find this section problematic in that it makes several strong claims without citation. I have quoted the text and bolded the claims which I feel need substantiation or alteration with suggested changes in parentheses.
Perhaps(may be a weasel word) the majority of didgeridoos manufactured today are purely for souvenir purposes(non traditional). It is far more common to find didgeridoos made of non-native timbers, decorated incorrectly by non-indigenous artists displaying merely colourful designs or emulated dot patterns and no traditional dreamtime stories or generational designs. These souvenir didgeridoos also often vary widely in size and shape(don't traditional didgeridoos very in size and shape? they are made from found trees, and randomly hollowed by termites after all), many being thinner and straighter. As a result of the inadequate wood types(The physics of wind instruments are not impacted heavily by the material of the vessel), shapes and lengths, souvenir didgeridoos can rarely be used as musical instruments.(Music is a very subjective phenomenon. The claim that a majority of didgeridoos cannot be used to make music seems absurd)
Decoration of souvenir didgeridoos is often seen by(weasel words) indigenous communities as offensive, inappropriate, inadequate, inaccurate and in many cases, misleading(these could easily be boiled down into offensive. citation needed.). The copying of traditional artwork is also used to sell these didgeridoos to unsuspecting tourists. Mstraney ( talk) 16:39, 25 December 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mstraney ( talk • contribs) 15:42, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
The picture at the top of the page lacks any objects of known size to compare the size of the instruments with. To me, they look like they are the size of a flute. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.187.199.192 ( talk) 08:11, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
'synonyms' (not the right term - these are rather words for didjeridu in various languages, e.g., 'pesce' is the word for 'fish' in Italian, not a synonym for fish) are inaccurate, at least in some cases. 'artawirr' is the Iwaidja word for didjeridu, not the Jawoyn word. And the words which are given as Iwaidja translations are not recognized as Iwaidja. Also 'djibolu' (Mornington Island) is not recognized. What is the source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brucebirch ( talk • contribs) 01:49, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
I have removed the Cultural Index section as it looked like it was basicaly an advert for a single site rating system that has not had any independent coverage. As such it does not belong. WP:NOT and WP:WEIGHT. duffbeerforme ( talk) 07:45, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Hmarin ( talk) 11:03, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Hmarin ( talk) 18:22, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
I know many Yolnju and Binninj who would object to the reference to "the paganism of the Australian tribes" in the popular culture section. Many Australian Aboriginal people do not consider that their culture has a tribal structure. While paganism may be applicable by some standards, I beleive that the association with european pagan beliefs may cause some confusion and perhaps offence and the term "spirituality" would apply just as well would it not? Djapa Owen 13:47, 2 June 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djapa84 ( talk • contribs)
Nobody has mentioned the similarity of the didgeridoo to the Swiss alphorn, which is classified as a labrophone. A labrophone is any instrument in which sound is produced by the vibration of the lips in a mouthpiece of some sort. Any piece of tubing has certain harmonic natural frequencies. A piece of garden hose, for example, can be played like a simple trumpet or bugle. An alphorn is a conical-bore instrument that produces a sound similar to the euphonium. Modern brass instruments are highly-refined labrophones that produce distinctly-different sounds depending on the nature of the instrument's bore. Trumpets and cornets are distinctly different because one has a cylindrical bore and the other a conical bore. Judging from the photographs, no two didgeridoos are alike. They're made from whatever the maker can find in the woods and probably wouldn't tune up with modern instruments or with each other for that matter. One might have a conical bore and another a cylidrical bore, especially if made from bamboo. (Does bamboo grow in Australia?) A critical ear might be able to discern a difference between two didgeridoos but since so much depends on the player the characteristics of the instrument might not matter that much. I heard one player (David Blanasi?) who plays mean jazz on a didgeridoo - really rocks. As for technique, circular breathing is used occasionally by modern brass players to extend a phrase or just to show off. In recent years some solo euphonium players have taken to singing into their instruments to enhance a phrase or - again - just to show off. Virgil H. Soule ( talk) 17:19, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
Djapa Owen ( talk) 12:17, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
Well, apparently for Alan Dargin, a famous didgeridoo player it wasn't so "healthy". Wikipedia has an article about him that says this:
"Dargin was diagnosed with burst veins in his throat and was warned by doctors that continued playing of the didgeridoo to generate a "fast, complex and loud sound" in "his forceful style" could endanger his life.[2][5] In mid-February 2008 he admitted to Saint Vincent's Hospital, Darlinghurst, and died of a cerebral haemorrhage on 24 February 2008.[6][7]
In light of the fact that playing the didgeridoo did in fact kill him, you better revise your alleged "health benefits" section to include a warning that didgeridoo playing can actually be dangerous to your health. LOL. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.51.145.103 ( talk) 06:33, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
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The article currently says: "The earliest occurrences of the word in print include a 1919 issue of Smith's Weekly where it was referred to as an "infernal didjerry" which "produced but one sound – (phonic) didjerry, didjerry, didjerry and so on ad infinitum", the 1919 Australian National Dictionary, The Bulletin in 1924 and the writings of Herbert Basedow in 1926."
There are demonstrably much earlier occurences, at least to 1908.
Here is a reference in a 1908 edition of the Hamilton Spectator (a newspaper in the western district of Victoria) which is probably republished from somewhere else: "RETRIBUTION". Hamilton Spectator. No. 7567. Victoria, Australia. 24 October 1908. p. 8. Retrieved 27 January 2017 – via National Library of Australia.
And here's an occurance in the Northern Territory Times and Gazette in 1914:
"CORRESPONDENCE".
Northern Territory Times And Gazette. Vol. XXXVIII, , no. 2145. Northern Territory, Australia. 17 December 1914. p. 14. Retrieved 27 January 2017 – via National Library of Australia.{{
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Is that original research? The article's current statement isn't referenced at all either. Boneymau ( talk) 03:58, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
The musical staff near the top of the page indicates the "written range" for the didgeridoo as being from F# below the treble staff to C two leger lines above it, then, parenthetically, the C an octave above that. However, this is meaningless without further information.
The description "written range" seems to imply that the didgeridoo is a transposing instrument, which is to say that its pitch is traditionally written a fixed interval higher or lower than its sounding pitch. This is news to me, as I have never heard that it is written as a transposing instrument; but if the notes written there be taken as sounding pitch, I think they are far too high, as I have frequently heard didgeridoos that go more than an octave below the lowest end of the range given here (if read as sounding pitch) - so that seems to support that the range is notated as if for a transposing instrument. However, in that case, it is not indicated which transposition is used. I am guessing that this written range would transpose to more than an octave lower, as I have heard didgeridoos that go at least as low as Eb one leger line below the bass staff. On the other hand, I cannot even imagine any didgeridoo that can play in the upper range of the flute or piccolo.
I would be interested to know more about this, and to know whether the idea that the didgeridoo is a transposing instrument is widespread.
I came to this page to find out the actual, sounding range of the didgeridoo, and I come away from it no more enlightened than I was before I came.
Secondly, if two upper limits to the range are to be given, an explanation must be given as to why there are two upper limits, and whether there are situations where one or the other applies. It is just ambiguous, though, to give two upper limits without explanation. It would seem that there can be only one highest possible note on an instrument, so if the situation is more complicated and there may be more than one highest possible note, this needs detailed explanation.
Thanks. M.J.E. ( talk) 12:29, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
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This article seems to have deteriorated over time, there are comments that have been inserted that are totally whacky they are verging on the pure fantasy such as the didgeridoo being used as a weapon and for smoking drugs. Simply not true. There needs to be concerted effort to edit this article to bring it up to scratch. The article seems to have been neglected for some time. -- Rainbow warrior ( talk) 12:55, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
I added pictures of didgeridoo on the french wikipedia, use it freely :
Aoineko 13:39 Apr 23, 2003 (UTC)
Not fussed on which photos of the Didjeridoo is up there as long as it is an Australian Didjeridoo! One from it's origins are better. But no point in having some hippie protesting about wall street while playing a fake indonesian bamboo instrument which is ripping off our culture. Isn't he complaining about wall street ripping the world off while our culture is being ripped off. I would prefer to have these instruments banned from being imported and are ultimately so very bad for your health. However, until that time, please try a picture of a real Didjeridoo! These fake Didjeridoos are killing our culture through pride and economics! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.91.109.98 ( talk) 12:01, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Hmarin ( talk) 11:07, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Hmarin ( talk) 06:01, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
With all the chopping and changing of didge performer photos we have ended up with two photos and one video of non-aboriginal buskers in other countries, and none of an Aboriginal player in Australia. This does not really make a lot of sense. We need to stop replacing the photos with pictures of ourselves or our mates busking in Barcelona or Manhattan and focus on the subject matter. I would love to see a picture of the young master uploaded but do not have one of my own to use. Djapa Owen ( talk) 10:30, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Is the correct spelling didgeridoo or didjeridoo? I'm seeing both spellings here. Can someone clean up the page with the correct spelling? Cheers
I would suggest that the top pic of the didg. have a caption mentioning that this example is much more ornate than many others. Most that I have seen have a very simple exterior design, if any. Matt gies 02:54, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Hmm, is Digeridoo a valid spelling? I see it redirects here - therefore the Aphex Twin track with that (deliberate?) mis-spelling could I suppose be mentioned here, but is it really worth mentioning a single song on the article? Evercat 03:05, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The preferred academic spelling is to go with the phonetic spelling, didjeridu, since it is a onomatopoeic term. -- Pdhadley 19:39, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
203.202.120.156 removed some of the external links because there were too many commercial adverts. First off, It's as Irish as - er - didgeridoo is a link to an article about the etymology of didgeridoo at Flinders University, not an advert. A couple of the others, although they may be commercial sites have useful and relevant content, e.g. mp3 and flash files.
I don't know if the others are problematic (I haven't looked at them, but they're not bothering me by being there), but maybe a more detailed comment here would be in order before deleting them. — Moilleadóir 08:34, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
We really need to be more discerning what external links are allowed. Too many commercial sites and hobby sites with little or no useful information are infiltrating the links section. To be included, a site should be a reference site with authoratative information. Compare with the feature article on Emu which only has 2 external links. More non-web references are required for this article. -- Rainbow warrior 22:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I've joined the fight against the digeridoostore spammer also - keep up your spirits - we'll get him in the end. he's now got a named account so we can perhaps have a better chance of getting him blocked?
Whitehatnetizen
00:52, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
A didg template for the Babel box is now available, the details are on the Wikipedia:Instruments page. - Rooivalk 01:59, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
The increasing additions of purported Irish Gaelic language origins for the name didgeridoo seems excessive, and highly implausible. Badagnani 16:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
There seem to be far too many musicians listed, most of whom are a long way down the notoriety stakes and wouldn't get a look in for any other instrument. Should we establish some criteria for inclusion such as independent, reputable press? Linking to the owner's own commercial web sites doesn't help. Garglebutt / (talk) 00:26, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
I would agree that applying some criteria would help. I share the feeling that half of the names are perhaps self proclaimed famous. Some ideas for criteria: - independent press/reviews (as suggested by Garglebutt) - voting principle? however, who can vote? when does someone have enough votes? - website with also objective background info (either about the player or the band) that proves the fact of being "famous" - having toured in more than one country? with gigs, workshops? - special cases?
Please add and comment :-)
Should voting be an option, here's my first reaction:
Mark Atkins DEFINITELY!
Jay Atwood Perhaps
William Barton Perhaps
David Blanasi DEFINITELY!
Andy Billings no?
Wallis Buchanan Perhaps
John Butler perhaps?
Bruce Copley no?
Ash Dargan YES
Alan Dargin DEFINITELY!
Stuart Dempster Perhaps?
Darryl Dikarrna Don't know
Ernie Dingo No?
Grahm Doe No?
Douglas Ewart No?
Tom Fronza No
Ganga Giri Yes!
Andy Graham Yes
Rob Grant No?
Rupert Grint No
Djalu Gurruwiwi DEFINITELY!
Rolf Harris Yes
David Hudson Yes!
Marko Johnson Yes
Scott Johnson No?
Stephen Kent Yes!
Jeremy Lembo Perhaps??
Christian Lindberg No?
Wandjuk Marika Yes?
Charlie McMahon DEFINITELY
Adam Plack Yes!
Xavier Rudd Yes!
Manfred Scheffknecht No?
Will Seachnasaigh No?
Stephen Wehmeyer No
Graham Wiggins Yes
David Williams Yes
Gapanbulu Yunupingu Perhaps
Makuma Yunupingu Perhaps
Yomunu Yunupingu Perhaps
Tom Evans Don't know
Rob Fraser No?
Natalie Small No?
Charlie Small No?
Talle E. Wacker No?
Didgeweb 16:01, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I would suggest getting rid of the notable players section altogether. Take a look at Guitar which is an instrument notorious for big egos and self-proclaimed masters... there is no notable players section there. From an Australian point of view, of those on the list, only David Blanasi, Djalu Gurruwiwi, and Alan Dargin would qualify as standout musicians who would have longevity as far as being remembered in the future is concerned. Let's start trimming the list or get rid of it altogether.-- Rainbow warrior 22:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Badagnani suggested that if a person has put out CDs and has studied with someone well known like Djalu Gurruwiwi, that could qualify for notable status. How do people feel about that? It is a pretty relaxed set of criteria because if we took this on board, there would literally be thousands who have released CDs and many many hundreds who have studied with Djalu Gurruwiwi. If you listen to John Groves' playing, you will discern that there is nothing notable about it... pretty much run-of-the-mill stuff. That is just my opinion, what you others think? Shall we include Groves and if so should we similarly include everyone else who has released CDs and/or studied with Djalu? -- Rainbow warrior 03:04, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
On the notable section: I can fully live with a "famous" section, where in my view I would like Djalu, David Blanasi, Charlie McMahon and perhaps Rolf Harris (apparently having brought the didge to attention in the UK and further?). And that's about it AFAIK. When starting re-writing, perhaps also check what is written in "the didgeridoo from Arnhemland to the Internet" (have to find it, I should have it somewhere). Didgeweb 17:21, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
The "notable" section gets IMHO way too big and doesn't serve any purpose anymore. If nothing happens and no one objects, I'll trim it to 5 players max. I am considering moving people to a new wikipedia page called "people who think they can play didgeridoo really cool" (or something similar) :-)
Here's my proposed list:
Didgeweb 04:47, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
With all due respect, but the Notable Player section is becoming more or more dominant than the actual information about the didge. This way I cannot take this section truly serious anymore. There are people on this list that IMHO are really not notable at all, or notable must be degraded to something that to me becomes equal to "having recorded something", or "being able to play didgeridoo better than your average neighbour". If the "notable" section is required, I would strongly suggest to limit the list to max 5 players, or otherwise make it a separate page. Didgeweb 07:33, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Didgeweb 10:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not accept links to sites that are primarily commercial in nature. Furthermore, the purpose of links, as described in WP:EL is to enhance the content of the article. The links that I have removed, and am about to remove again, are not acceptable per this policy. Please do not replace them. I would strongly suggest re-evaluating the list of "notable" players. One might well argue that if they have never received an independent review which can be properly sourced, they are inherently non-notable. I will probably get back to this in the future to review and remove non-notable entries if no one else does it in the meantime. Doc Tropics 07:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
How About A Fresh Start?
Oh, hiding text (for the purpose of adding "invisible" comments or requests for clarification is simply done by adding "<!--" before and "-->" (without quotes) after text. Some of the players without Wikilinks are probably notable players, as some of the websites are fairly extensive. But of course it's a continuum of notability, as with anything. We can evaluate them individually if that's of interest, or move the entire list of players to a separate article if it gets too long (I believe it is getting long). Badagnani 21:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Where did these come from? Were they all links provided in the list of didgeridoo players, for players with no WP pages of their own? If the link describes a player and his/her work, the reason for the links was solely to verify that name as an actual name of a didgeridoo player as opposed to a fake name, many of which have been regularly added here over the past months. It's just impossible for those of us who maintain this page if we have no way to do this and have to do a Web search on every player in the list every time a new name is added.
Badagnani
22:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Notability can vary from topic to topic, and it's unlikely that didge players will get the same kind of coverage that a rock group does, nor would it be reasonable to apply the same standards. However, I might suggest that a minimum standard for notability would be:
While I'm only passing familiar with didge "culture" it seems to be that this might be a reasonable standard. Any thoughts or suggestions on this? Doc Tropics 22:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Maybe we need a new section in the article Man arrested over didgeridoo attack [1] -- ArmadilloFromHellGateBridge 04:38, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Following up on a remark that the age of the didge was not supported by a reference I added a reference to Journey in Time, George Chaloupka, p. 189. Badagnani suggested to put references at the end of the document. Is this a good suggestion? So next to the external links add a section "references"? Didgeweb 15:23, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I started this new thread so we can discuss possible additional and/or replacement images of the instrument being used. I'd like to keep this to images that actually exist already, and we can use (there's no point talking about what we wish we could have). I found this page which has this image. It's not fantastic resolution, but it does focus more on the instrument, and there's a clear view of the end (mike side) of the instrument. And it's public domain.-- Rob ( talk) 08:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
We should choose photos carefully to go along with the text. IMO the military didge photo is in a strange context. For now, the "non-traditional" didge photo seems okay. Badagnani ( talk) 09:17, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
I know very little about the instrument it's self, but is the clame that it is the oldest wind instrument credible. The text that goes with it says that it can be confirmed to have existed around 500 BCE. However, I am pretty sure the Greeks, Egyptians, Chinese, and many other cultures had flutes and whistles well before that. 71.184.205.6 ( talk) 07:18, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Removed the above, unsubstantiated claims are not encyclopedic without a reference to the claim, and no reference has appeared in a year and a half. User:Pedant ( talk) 03:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
(Moved from the main page. I'd suggest a new wiki page for this topic if this is really relevant. Didgeweb ( talk) 04:54, 9 August 2008 (UTC) )
Didgeridoo (also known as didgy) is a small digimon creature that usually varies around two to three feet in height. It is native to the Tamers region. It also is recognizable by its bright pink and green coloration and razor sharp talons. It is a very violent digimon and is believed to have killed 300,000,000,000,000 people and other digimon.
I'm not knowledgeable about this subject so will leave it to others to decide whether this is significant enough to include, but here's a Daily Telegraph (UK) article about the Daring Book for Girls causing a row by including (in draft form, anyway) a section on didgeridoo playing. Mark Rose, quoted, seems adamant that females must not play the instrument, but that doesn't seem to fit with this piece (already mentioned in Wikipedia's article) which is a lot less clear-cut. 86.136.250.66 ( talk) 18:47, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
The didgeridoo seems a relatively simple instrument to create. Are there any records of its invention by cultures independent of Indigenous Australia?-- ZayZayEM ( talk) 08:16, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Someone added barely changed text from this story about Nicole Kidman. I've reverted the possible copyvio, but want to know whether it's worth mentioning in this article before readding a rewritten version. -- Skarl 10:19, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
I've gone through and done a general copyedit of the entire article, reorganised sections, images, etc, added the musical instrument infobox and I may upload some construction photos and other images later. Can we please ensure that we source information and make actual contributions before we tag things with fact dates, whos and wheres, this is the only way we can improve articles on WP, by making actual contributions. Nick carson ( talk) 03:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Referenced in the article. No other references to "Ubarr in Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.197.11.28 ( talk) 13:14, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
I don't think the Didgeridoo should be classified as a woodwind instrument. As far as I can tell it is a brass instrument, since you make the sound by oscillating your lips. Ahltorp ( talk) 21:07, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Not sure where to put this suggestion but a popular game entitled "Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity" Features a didj as one of the main instruments on the course "Gigan Rocks" Here's a link to it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibJ19ESXjWQ Some pretty nice playing too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.130.142.87 ( talk) 21:34, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
I've taken out the section on Modern didgeridoo innovations, replacing it with a shortened section called "Didgeridoo in popular culture", and merged the previous innovations section into a 2nd article, Modern didgeridoo designs, on the basis that the modern didgeridoos are not technically authentic traditional didgeridoos. I'm also titling the main didgeridoo article "Didgeridoo (traditional)". This puts this article more inline with what musicologists recognize as the authentic traditional didgeridoo i.e. a traditional instrument made by indigenous Australians from hollow Eucalyptus logs eaten out by termites. The modern designs are also recognized by musicologists as being quite distinct from traditional didgeridoos, especially the multitonal qualities of sliding didgeridoos, with characteristics more inline with Western instruments. Wiki needs to reflect this in the articles, as the Cornu is as distinct from a French horn. Comments welcome. John Moss ( talk) 11:33, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
I find this section problematic in that it makes several strong claims without citation. I have quoted the text and bolded the claims which I feel need substantiation or alteration with suggested changes in parentheses.
Perhaps(may be a weasel word) the majority of didgeridoos manufactured today are purely for souvenir purposes(non traditional). It is far more common to find didgeridoos made of non-native timbers, decorated incorrectly by non-indigenous artists displaying merely colourful designs or emulated dot patterns and no traditional dreamtime stories or generational designs. These souvenir didgeridoos also often vary widely in size and shape(don't traditional didgeridoos very in size and shape? they are made from found trees, and randomly hollowed by termites after all), many being thinner and straighter. As a result of the inadequate wood types(The physics of wind instruments are not impacted heavily by the material of the vessel), shapes and lengths, souvenir didgeridoos can rarely be used as musical instruments.(Music is a very subjective phenomenon. The claim that a majority of didgeridoos cannot be used to make music seems absurd)
Decoration of souvenir didgeridoos is often seen by(weasel words) indigenous communities as offensive, inappropriate, inadequate, inaccurate and in many cases, misleading(these could easily be boiled down into offensive. citation needed.). The copying of traditional artwork is also used to sell these didgeridoos to unsuspecting tourists. Mstraney ( talk) 16:39, 25 December 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mstraney ( talk • contribs) 15:42, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
The picture at the top of the page lacks any objects of known size to compare the size of the instruments with. To me, they look like they are the size of a flute. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.187.199.192 ( talk) 08:11, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
'synonyms' (not the right term - these are rather words for didjeridu in various languages, e.g., 'pesce' is the word for 'fish' in Italian, not a synonym for fish) are inaccurate, at least in some cases. 'artawirr' is the Iwaidja word for didjeridu, not the Jawoyn word. And the words which are given as Iwaidja translations are not recognized as Iwaidja. Also 'djibolu' (Mornington Island) is not recognized. What is the source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brucebirch ( talk • contribs) 01:49, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
I have removed the Cultural Index section as it looked like it was basicaly an advert for a single site rating system that has not had any independent coverage. As such it does not belong. WP:NOT and WP:WEIGHT. duffbeerforme ( talk) 07:45, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Hmarin ( talk) 11:03, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Hmarin ( talk) 18:22, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
I know many Yolnju and Binninj who would object to the reference to "the paganism of the Australian tribes" in the popular culture section. Many Australian Aboriginal people do not consider that their culture has a tribal structure. While paganism may be applicable by some standards, I beleive that the association with european pagan beliefs may cause some confusion and perhaps offence and the term "spirituality" would apply just as well would it not? Djapa Owen 13:47, 2 June 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djapa84 ( talk • contribs)
Nobody has mentioned the similarity of the didgeridoo to the Swiss alphorn, which is classified as a labrophone. A labrophone is any instrument in which sound is produced by the vibration of the lips in a mouthpiece of some sort. Any piece of tubing has certain harmonic natural frequencies. A piece of garden hose, for example, can be played like a simple trumpet or bugle. An alphorn is a conical-bore instrument that produces a sound similar to the euphonium. Modern brass instruments are highly-refined labrophones that produce distinctly-different sounds depending on the nature of the instrument's bore. Trumpets and cornets are distinctly different because one has a cylindrical bore and the other a conical bore. Judging from the photographs, no two didgeridoos are alike. They're made from whatever the maker can find in the woods and probably wouldn't tune up with modern instruments or with each other for that matter. One might have a conical bore and another a cylidrical bore, especially if made from bamboo. (Does bamboo grow in Australia?) A critical ear might be able to discern a difference between two didgeridoos but since so much depends on the player the characteristics of the instrument might not matter that much. I heard one player (David Blanasi?) who plays mean jazz on a didgeridoo - really rocks. As for technique, circular breathing is used occasionally by modern brass players to extend a phrase or just to show off. In recent years some solo euphonium players have taken to singing into their instruments to enhance a phrase or - again - just to show off. Virgil H. Soule ( talk) 17:19, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
Djapa Owen ( talk) 12:17, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
Well, apparently for Alan Dargin, a famous didgeridoo player it wasn't so "healthy". Wikipedia has an article about him that says this:
"Dargin was diagnosed with burst veins in his throat and was warned by doctors that continued playing of the didgeridoo to generate a "fast, complex and loud sound" in "his forceful style" could endanger his life.[2][5] In mid-February 2008 he admitted to Saint Vincent's Hospital, Darlinghurst, and died of a cerebral haemorrhage on 24 February 2008.[6][7]
In light of the fact that playing the didgeridoo did in fact kill him, you better revise your alleged "health benefits" section to include a warning that didgeridoo playing can actually be dangerous to your health. LOL. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.51.145.103 ( talk) 06:33, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
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The article currently says: "The earliest occurrences of the word in print include a 1919 issue of Smith's Weekly where it was referred to as an "infernal didjerry" which "produced but one sound – (phonic) didjerry, didjerry, didjerry and so on ad infinitum", the 1919 Australian National Dictionary, The Bulletin in 1924 and the writings of Herbert Basedow in 1926."
There are demonstrably much earlier occurences, at least to 1908.
Here is a reference in a 1908 edition of the Hamilton Spectator (a newspaper in the western district of Victoria) which is probably republished from somewhere else: "RETRIBUTION". Hamilton Spectator. No. 7567. Victoria, Australia. 24 October 1908. p. 8. Retrieved 27 January 2017 – via National Library of Australia.
And here's an occurance in the Northern Territory Times and Gazette in 1914:
"CORRESPONDENCE".
Northern Territory Times And Gazette. Vol. XXXVIII, , no. 2145. Northern Territory, Australia. 17 December 1914. p. 14. Retrieved 27 January 2017 – via National Library of Australia.{{
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Is that original research? The article's current statement isn't referenced at all either. Boneymau ( talk) 03:58, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
The musical staff near the top of the page indicates the "written range" for the didgeridoo as being from F# below the treble staff to C two leger lines above it, then, parenthetically, the C an octave above that. However, this is meaningless without further information.
The description "written range" seems to imply that the didgeridoo is a transposing instrument, which is to say that its pitch is traditionally written a fixed interval higher or lower than its sounding pitch. This is news to me, as I have never heard that it is written as a transposing instrument; but if the notes written there be taken as sounding pitch, I think they are far too high, as I have frequently heard didgeridoos that go more than an octave below the lowest end of the range given here (if read as sounding pitch) - so that seems to support that the range is notated as if for a transposing instrument. However, in that case, it is not indicated which transposition is used. I am guessing that this written range would transpose to more than an octave lower, as I have heard didgeridoos that go at least as low as Eb one leger line below the bass staff. On the other hand, I cannot even imagine any didgeridoo that can play in the upper range of the flute or piccolo.
I would be interested to know more about this, and to know whether the idea that the didgeridoo is a transposing instrument is widespread.
I came to this page to find out the actual, sounding range of the didgeridoo, and I come away from it no more enlightened than I was before I came.
Secondly, if two upper limits to the range are to be given, an explanation must be given as to why there are two upper limits, and whether there are situations where one or the other applies. It is just ambiguous, though, to give two upper limits without explanation. It would seem that there can be only one highest possible note on an instrument, so if the situation is more complicated and there may be more than one highest possible note, this needs detailed explanation.
Thanks. M.J.E. ( talk) 12:29, 17 June 2018 (UTC)