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collar workers: White Collar: Official Job Blue Collar: Hard Working Job-- 58.97.168.40 ( talk) 16:40, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
For anyone who cares about this article, I am going to delete the content that is uncited in the next few days. Because the information has been contributed by several users, I will attempt to notify as many of them as possible. - TheCaliforniaKansan ( talk) 22:57, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
It seems that one of the sources actually sources back to wikipedia. Whatever you do, I'm probably not interested. ( talk)
I agree that we made a mistake by allowing this bad article to exist. -- Allen, New York — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.78.5.48 ( talk) 07:01, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
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Hi there! There's a small addition I'd like to request for this page to add in mention of "new collar workers". This term has emerged recently and gained coverage in secondary sourcing, so I'm wondering if it's appropriate to add into this article. As a quick note of disclosure, I have a financial COI as I am here on behalf of IBM via Vianovo, as part of my work at Beutler Ink, so I prefer not to edit articles directly and am looking for editors to review my suggestion and add it if it seems reasonable.
The following is my proposed addition, to include within the Other classifications section, :
If this seems like a reasonable addition, I hope an editor will add it into the article. Please do let me know if you have any questions. Thanks in advance! 16912 Rhiannon ( Talk · COI) 15:00, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
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Declined This seems like a variation on the already existing grey collar, which is a combination of blue and white collar worker traits in one person. If anything, it certainly warrants additional discussion in order to reach consensus for inclusion.
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Following up here, after looking into grey collar. While there is some overlap in the two in terms of education (though not skills), grey collar is quite different from new-collar in terms of the overall description and the types of roles it covers. Job examples are different from new-collar except for "technician" in the broad sense (vs. cloud computing technicians for new-collar). Furthermore, the grey-collar definition (occupations that incorporate some of the elements of both blue- and white-collar) is completely different than new-collar, which focuses on new technology jobs and skills in the changing economy. Given that there is a decent amount of sourcing for new-collar, perhaps more than grey-collar, I'd like to re-open this request for addition to the article so that editors can discuss further.
What do other editors think, is there sufficient difference between grey-collar and new-collar to allow the latter to be included separately? If it is considered by editors to be very close to grey-collar, could it be added as an alternative to grey collar? (e.g. "A similar collar type is "new-collar"...") @ Beyond My Ken: Since you've been active on this article in the past, I'm wondering if you have any thoughts on this? Noting again: I have a COI here as I'm here on behalf of IBM, via Vianovo as part of my work at Beutler Ink. Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon ( Talk · COI) 15:44, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Works for me The inevitable follow up is my assumption that the lifeblood of our modern world, big business — which usually plays its own part in co-opting trends from other sectors after they have caught on — will inevitably aim to include itself in the provenance of this term. And rightfully so, as it is a work-related term. But to whom should that title of originator go to?
16912_Rhiannon has argued, in essence, that this new designation ought to resemble something akin to The New Collar™ brought to you by IBM®. Now I may be exaggerating, but I don't believe I'm that off the mark. The standard for provenance is the failure to confirm the term's existence before a certain date of mention, making whomever made that mention on that date, the designee. Any thoughts?
Spintendo
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10:09, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi again, since there has been no further input here, I wanted to ping this discussion one last time to see what the final decision is on inclusion of "new collar" in this article. In their last notes, Beyond My Ken had said "I'm more in favor of inclusion now than I was before." and Spintendo had followed up to say "works for me" and asked a couple of questions about how to include the term's originator, and I had responded to note that going with majority of sourcing seemed reasonable if the originator needs to be mentioned at all.
As a reminder, here's what I was proposing for the addition to be made under Other classifications:
What do editors think? Can this be added here? Thanks again! 16912 Rhiannon ( Talk · COI) 14:47, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
References
I've responded on the New-collar worker talk page. Spintendo ᔦᔭ 11:48, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Is there a reason why only blue, white, and pink have their own sections, while green and grey are included in "other classifications" (despite being notable enough to have their own articles)? Also, shouldn't "new collar" go under "see also," since it's not technically a color? Remainsuncertain ( talk) 04:23, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
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collar workers: White Collar: Official Job Blue Collar: Hard Working Job-- 58.97.168.40 ( talk) 16:40, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
For anyone who cares about this article, I am going to delete the content that is uncited in the next few days. Because the information has been contributed by several users, I will attempt to notify as many of them as possible. - TheCaliforniaKansan ( talk) 22:57, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
It seems that one of the sources actually sources back to wikipedia. Whatever you do, I'm probably not interested. ( talk)
I agree that we made a mistake by allowing this bad article to exist. -- Allen, New York — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.78.5.48 ( talk) 07:01, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
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Hi there! There's a small addition I'd like to request for this page to add in mention of "new collar workers". This term has emerged recently and gained coverage in secondary sourcing, so I'm wondering if it's appropriate to add into this article. As a quick note of disclosure, I have a financial COI as I am here on behalf of IBM via Vianovo, as part of my work at Beutler Ink, so I prefer not to edit articles directly and am looking for editors to review my suggestion and add it if it seems reasonable.
The following is my proposed addition, to include within the Other classifications section, :
If this seems like a reasonable addition, I hope an editor will add it into the article. Please do let me know if you have any questions. Thanks in advance! 16912 Rhiannon ( Talk · COI) 15:00, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
References
Declined This seems like a variation on the already existing grey collar, which is a combination of blue and white collar worker traits in one person. If anything, it certainly warrants additional discussion in order to reach consensus for inclusion.
Spintendo
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09:13, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
![]() | This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. The reviewer would like to request the editor with a COI attempt to discuss with editors engaged in the subject-area first. |
Following up here, after looking into grey collar. While there is some overlap in the two in terms of education (though not skills), grey collar is quite different from new-collar in terms of the overall description and the types of roles it covers. Job examples are different from new-collar except for "technician" in the broad sense (vs. cloud computing technicians for new-collar). Furthermore, the grey-collar definition (occupations that incorporate some of the elements of both blue- and white-collar) is completely different than new-collar, which focuses on new technology jobs and skills in the changing economy. Given that there is a decent amount of sourcing for new-collar, perhaps more than grey-collar, I'd like to re-open this request for addition to the article so that editors can discuss further.
What do other editors think, is there sufficient difference between grey-collar and new-collar to allow the latter to be included separately? If it is considered by editors to be very close to grey-collar, could it be added as an alternative to grey collar? (e.g. "A similar collar type is "new-collar"...") @ Beyond My Ken: Since you've been active on this article in the past, I'm wondering if you have any thoughts on this? Noting again: I have a COI here as I'm here on behalf of IBM, via Vianovo as part of my work at Beutler Ink. Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon ( Talk · COI) 15:44, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Works for me The inevitable follow up is my assumption that the lifeblood of our modern world, big business — which usually plays its own part in co-opting trends from other sectors after they have caught on — will inevitably aim to include itself in the provenance of this term. And rightfully so, as it is a work-related term. But to whom should that title of originator go to?
16912_Rhiannon has argued, in essence, that this new designation ought to resemble something akin to The New Collar™ brought to you by IBM®. Now I may be exaggerating, but I don't believe I'm that off the mark. The standard for provenance is the failure to confirm the term's existence before a certain date of mention, making whomever made that mention on that date, the designee. Any thoughts?
Spintendo
ᔦᔭ
10:09, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi again, since there has been no further input here, I wanted to ping this discussion one last time to see what the final decision is on inclusion of "new collar" in this article. In their last notes, Beyond My Ken had said "I'm more in favor of inclusion now than I was before." and Spintendo had followed up to say "works for me" and asked a couple of questions about how to include the term's originator, and I had responded to note that going with majority of sourcing seemed reasonable if the originator needs to be mentioned at all.
As a reminder, here's what I was proposing for the addition to be made under Other classifications:
What do editors think? Can this be added here? Thanks again! 16912 Rhiannon ( Talk · COI) 14:47, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
References
I've responded on the New-collar worker talk page. Spintendo ᔦᔭ 11:48, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Is there a reason why only blue, white, and pink have their own sections, while green and grey are included in "other classifications" (despite being notable enough to have their own articles)? Also, shouldn't "new collar" go under "see also," since it's not technically a color? Remainsuncertain ( talk) 04:23, 20 August 2023 (UTC)