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Desi means that person is related to a particular country.for ex. An Indian person is'desi/deshi'(native)for his own country but he is 'videsi/videshi'(foreigner)for all other countries.An American is desi in America. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shwetayd ( talk • contribs) 18:05, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
Simply the term "Desi" comes from Indo-Aryan Sanskrit meaning "land". Before editing the page and discriminating each other, consider the fact that how many countries in South Asia uses this term "Desi". Not just people from India, but from Sri Lanka Pakistan, Bangladesh and Maldives uses this term.
Who uses this term "Desi"? Every country that speaks languages that belongs to Indo-aryan/Sanskrit. That includes languages such as Hindi, Urdu, Punjabi, Sinhalese, Bengali, Divehi and Marathi.
You can see full list of languages in here, /info/en/?search=Indo-Aryan_languages
So any country that speaks the languages can use the term Desi. See the list below, every language below have their own way of saying the same exact term "Desi", pronounced the same EXACT way! Assamese: দেশী, Bengali: দেশি, Gujarati: દેશી, Hindi: देसी, Kannada: ದೇಶಿ , Malayalam: ദേശി, Marathi: देशी, Sinhalese: දේශිය, Odia: ଦେଶୀ, Punjabi: ਦੇਸੀ / دیسی, Tamil: தேசி, Telugu: దేశీయుడు-desiyudu not as commonly used as Bharatyeeudu, Urdu: دیسی, Malay: desa, Sindhi: ديسي
Stop editing this post over whatever the hating propaganda you're trying to promote! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DesiKindInMahMind ( talk • contribs) 04:23, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
Comment Do you know that Desi and it's variants translate to "local" or "native" and has nothing to do with South Asia? "Desi" is a Western, specifically American construct not a South Asian construct. Can you look at the sources and read them please, without deleting them and thinking no one has noticed? This is the third time I have told you do this, how long is it going to take for you to actually read them? No one is trying to discriminate anyone, why are you posting such accusations? ( 121.220.96.223 ( talk) 10:35, 11 October 2016 (UTC))
Please stop going back and forth with this! It was good enough when it said desi countries often include Bhutan, Maldives, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka! As a Sri Lankan, I indeed consider myself desi considering we have roots in India, whether Sinhalese or Tamil! Stop repeatedly changing it to Bangladesh, India, and Pakistan are often considered desi countries and Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan, and the Maldives may also be considered desi countries! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.255.80.178 ( talk) 04:47, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
No, not sock puppeting! This is my first time writing commentary on a talk page, genius, so I wasn't aware you had to sign with tildes! Just because I happen to agree with the other poster doesn't automatically mean sock-puppetry! And by the way, reference 5 did not provide a page regarding South Asians, so not exactly a good source of information. And while reference 2 and 3 only included Indian, Pakistani, and Bangladeshi, reference 4 did include the other groups such as Nepali and Sri Lankan. Here, now I'll sign off with the tilde so you don't get your panties in a wad! 207.255.80.178 ( talk) 02:59, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
OK, fine, but here are a couple more sources suggesting that the term desi is in fact used by Sri Lankans, Nepalis, etc.. to refer to themselves.
http://www.dynadot.com/community/blog/2014/10/desis-have-desi-domain.html
http://desilit.org/chapters/30-2/ ≈ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.207.250.207 ( talk) 22:33, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
And here is more evidence that the term "desi" includes other groups such as Sri Lankans or Maldivians in addition to Indians, Pakistanis, and Banglandeshis.
https://orgsync.com/135345 138.207.250.175 ( talk) 04:15, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
I find this term being used to describe Pakistanis (and Sri Lankans, Bangladeshis, Nepalese) as almost comical. "Desi" is just another term for people in india pakistan and bangladesh . Indian and Pakistani cultures are largely the same , india is unique in the sense that its got a mix of the south the west and east of south Asia all in one but if i were to say what it is mainly, i would say south India and west south Asia which includes Pakistan. Ethnically speaking you cant see gangetic people indus people etc etc , indus people are the people are the people originating from the indus valley and those people were largely hindus or dharmic these people spread themselves all across india mainly the north as there were 2 waves of migration , which is why its appropriate to say north indians are indus people , plus there is no such thing as gangetic people as all the empires occuring on the gangetic plain were made by central asian and indus people. I see many Pakistanis trying to differentiate themselves with the iranian and afghan or dardic culure desperately even though they make up a minority of the culture , they are so desperate they go on to make outrages claims that pakistani culture is no where near the same as indian , these people must keep in mind when Pakistan was created the creators of these nations largely did not care about areas such as balochistan as even though these areas are part of the indian subcontinent its been a while since any empire had brought all of that together , so when pakistan was made these places were never taken into consideration which is why when paksitan was made the pashtuns had their own freedom group from the start and this still goes onto today as well as the balochs , you dont see indians doing this simply because india is too big and different all thought .However these people are mistaken in many senses as if you look at the baloch dna the iranic group of pakistan , they have a large amount of ASI dna which is very also very common in south india specifically states like kerala, karnatka, telengana (not so much east south india).The only added difference i will give to the "region" of pakistan is that they were slightly more exposed to western medieval forces so ultimately in terms of concentration indus genes are more concentrated however if youre talking about sheer number indus genes are much more in india but it wnt be as concentrate simply because its so lare .
Pakistanis also speak and write languages based on the Persian-Urdu Alphabet (ie. Urdu, Pashto, Punjabi, Sindhi, Balochi, Kashmiri, Wakhi, Hindko, Seraiki, Brahui etc.) whereas Indians write in Sanskrit based script (I don't know the script I just took a guess).
^^ as you can see this person is desperately trying to differentiate themselves from india and its pathetic , Persian urdu alphabet is not a thing and he made that up for obvious reasons urdu does use the persian script , furthermore he includes the most irrelevant languages in Pakistan that literally 1 percent of the population speak like hindko and wakhi because these Pakistanis try to portray themselves as iranic a lot more, he also suggested indians write largely in the sanskrit script and seemed to act like as if he doesnt even know what sanskrit is . .What urdu was a language not even made in paksitan was largely more of a north indian thing not just concentrated to Pakistan , if you look at punjab pre partition everyone used to be able to read in both scripts same goes with sindhi , and urdu was a language largely forced upon Pakistanis today , as you can see in the stats there are significantly more people in india speaking urdu as their first language however more people in Pakistan speak urdu as their second language than india, however cultural representation of urdu has decreased largely because of religious intolerance created due to partition as many indians see urdu as a muslim language and hindi as a hindu one , but pre partition there was not much religious politicly debate about language as many people could write and speak both , this is still seen in india as many of the states have signs in both hindi and urdu and the second language in school is usually hindi or Urdu .
95 odd years of British Indian occupation does not erase 9000 years of Indus culture and history that Pakistan adopted in 1947. So this article either needs to be re-written or simply deleted. Thank you. ^clearly this person knows nothing about the indus valey as exited close to 6000 years not 9000 and the British were south Asia upwards of 100 years. Indus valley and genetics and culture were not confined to the indus valley it merely shows where it originates from , furthermore the indus valley where dharmic people which is where a lot of north indian genetic and culture comes from as well as religion which is why i would say it has as a equal effect of the people india or more than Pakistan (which is why the indus valley civilisation is much more taught india than pakistan). So having a border for 70 years doesnt suddenly confine the genetics and culture all to that region , only a fool would say that.
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Can you please add these sources back in the introduction after the sentence, " Bhutan, the Maldives, Nepal, and Sri Lanka may also be considered "Desi" countries in some usages of the term".
I'm not sure why they were removed because they were included to show how the term differs in context and how they always include India, Pakistan and Bangladesh as opposed to other South Asian countries. 101.160.170.136 ( talk) 03:53, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
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I have removed any mention of Pakistan in this joke of article and will continue removing Pakistan until I find substantial evidence that any self-respecting Pakistani (or South Asian for that matter who isn't from India) would consider calling him or herself "desi". This term is completely foreign to me and continuously shoving other countries into this joke of a article is just lame. Under what basis are you claiming that Pakistanis and Sri Lankans and Bangladeshis are "desi". Who says? A couple of random internet articles? Please.
This term is foreign to Pakistanis. The only place where I have heard "desi" ever being used is northeast Punjab. Nobody in the rest of Punjab or the rest of Pakistan for that matter uses the term "desi". It's completely foreign to us.
The term "desi" in northeast Punjab also means something different than what this joke of article is trying to explain. For Punjabis in the northeast, desi has two meanings:
I don't understand why a Punjabi would call him or herself a "desi" in Britain or the United States when he or she isn't even local or native of that country.
For example, when comparing ghee there is valaiti ghee and desi ghee.
If the term "desi" is being used because we share similar genetics, then I'm sorry to break it to you but Pakistani ethnic groups and Indian ethnic groups share no similarities whatsoever. In fact, the difference are quite distinct. Pakistani ethnic groups (Indus nations) share similar genetic makeup which starkly differs that of North Indian ethnic groups (Gangetic nations) and South Indian ethnic groups (Dravidian nations). The information was compiled by Human genetic clustering studies.
If the term "desi" is being used because we share similar languages, then sorry again...but we don't share the same languages either.
All Pakistani languages are written using the Persian-Urdu Nastaliq script, whereas Indian languages are written in Brahmic scripts.
All Pakistani languages are either Indo-Aryan, Dardic or Iranian languages, whereas Indian languages are mainly Dravidian.
The most hilarious thing I find is when people say "Pakistanis and Indians are the same" as if Pakistani or Indian is an "ethnic" term. These are political terms that define several ETHNIC GROUPS that reside in both countries. The only ethnic group that is found in both Pakistan and India are PUNJABIS...and in Pakistan, Punjabis are only found in the northeastern part of Punjab province. The rest is inhabited by Seraikis, Hindkowans and Pahari people. Other than that, there is no significant large populations that are found in both countries. Even the Indian Muslims who came to Pakistan in 1947 were no more than 4-6 million. So you're telling me 4 to 6 million people are going to define 190 million people today?
Give your head a big shake. So it's incredibly stupid to use this word as an ethnonym when we already have our own identity Pakistanis or Overseas Pakistanis. -- PAKHIGHWAY ( talk) 20:33, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
Here we have several sources that support the assertion that desi nations include Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan, and Maldives as well as Bangladesh, India, and Pakistan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.207.250.207 ( talk) 02:08, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
http://www.dynadot.com/community/blog/2014/10/desis-have-desi-domain.html
http://desilit.org/chapters/30-2/
https://orgsync.com/135345 138.207.250.207 ( talk) 01:55, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
In the sentence- Desi is an Indo-Aryan term that ultimately originates in the Sanskrit देश (deśa) "region. The pronounciation indicated "deśa" is incorrect as it is instead written as देसा. On the other hand, देश will be written as "desh" in English characters. I am a native speaker of and academic in Hindi Aishpan ( talk) 18:24, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
This is Sanskrit, though, not Hindi. In Sanskrit देश is indeed pronounced "deśa". देसा, on the other hand, would be pronounced as "deshaa" with a long "a" (marker of the feminine gender) at the end. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:3D08:6881:6F00:1463:5B2C:D58D:1C8C ( talk) 17:40, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
At the end there it says that the term is "strongly criticized". Who is crticizing it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2620:101:F000:702:110D:206B:A37E:9C59 ( talk) 04:30, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
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Could somebody please remove "The Maldives, Nepal and Sri Lanka may also be considered "desi" countries in some usages of the term"? I can't find any source for the inclusion of those countries. The inclusion of those countries has been disputed for a very long time as seen in the edit history of this page and it has caused a lot of problems over the years. It is the reason why I asked for this page to be protected last year following disruptive edits made by a user. 120.144.157.210 ( talk) 03:13, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
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Sorry, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you about the first source. While it does say that "desi has functioned as a code for all things Indian", it also says that, "To be desi, in the most conventional sense of the term, is to claim a cultural belonging, affiliation, and ancestry to one or more of the countries in South Asia, including Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, and Nepal." In addition, the other two sources may not be academic, but they are from South Asian organizations, which imply that groups such as Nepali and Sri Lankan are included under the term "desi." The reason this is relevant is because "desi" is a slang term that South Asians use among themselves to refer to their own ethnic group. The fact that Sri Lankans and Nepalis are included suggests that they are also considered desis by other South Asians. And, in any case, I really doubt you will find too many academic sources giving a precise definition of the word desi as it is a slang term, as I have already mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.140.115.206 ( talk) 03:54, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
I have looked at the first source. Even though I agree it says, “Desi has functioned as a code for all things Indian”, it also clearly states, “To be Desi,in the most conventional sense of the term, is to claim a cultural affiliation or belonging to one or more of the countries in South Asia, including Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, and Nepal.” 174.140.115.206 ( talk) 20:39, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
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Could somebody please revert changes made by UserNumber ( talk · contribs)? They have added unsourced information to the page without any references. They also claimed that the source mentioned more countries and ethnic groups but that's a lie because they don't. This page has for so long been disrupted by various people. I successfully lobbied for this page to be protected in 2017 because of a sockpuppet's disruptive edits and to prevent IP addresses from disrupting it but the same thing continues to happen with registered users. It's so frustrating. Please restore the version last edited by Typritc ( talk · contribs). Thanks. ( 120.144.154.144 ( talk) 05:30, 15 June 2018 (UTC)) 120.144.154.144 ( talk) 05:30, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
You can undo my edit. UserNumber ( talk) 17:56, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
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Could somebody please restore the version of Desi published by Highpeaks35 ( talk · contribs)? Avhiyan ( talk · contribs) added unsourced to the information despite a discussion above that confirmed that no such credible sources exist to support the inclusion of such information. 121.214.54.10 ( talk) 01:36, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
Here is another source to check out: hepg.org/her-home/issues/Harvard-educational-review...73../desis-in-the-house_85≈ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.140.123.48 ( talk) 20:12, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
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Could somebody please restore the version of Desi published by AjaxSmack ( talk · contribs)? Highpeaks35 ( talk · contribs) added incorrectly sourced information despite a discussion that confirmed that no such credible sources exist to support the inclusion of such information.
Highpeaks35 claims the source supports the inclusion of "Sri Lanka, Maldives and Nepal" but the source doesn't. The source says, "The South Asian experience is complex, mired, and expansive. It includes the stories of men and women who can trace their heritages back to nations besides India, such as Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, the Maldives, and Nepal". Nowhere does it state that those three countries are considered "Desi", not to mention that Rohin Gaha's source is actually about how "Desi" only refers to India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Could somebody please restore the original version? I got this page protected in 2017 to prevent these types of edits, I'm disappointed that a registered user is making edits without a credible source. 101.189.37.178 ( talk) 23:37, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
The definition of desi according to Oxford Learner's Dictionary:
<ref https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/desi_1>ref
174.140.115.206 ( talk) 15:15, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
@101.189.37.178 The fact that you deleted my comment, which does in fact provide a link to a credible source, suggests that you in fact are not concerned about stating facts in the article but rather pushing some sort of agenda. If this wasn’t the case, you would have tried refuting my point with a counter argument. The fact that you deleted my statement suggests that you couldn’t provide a satisfactory rebuttal to my point. You asked for a credible source that incorporates Sri Lankans under the term Desi. I have provided it, the Oxford Learner’s Dictionary. So what’s your problem? Other users are allowed to disagree with your opinion. You have also been very rude and condescending whenever I have in fact tried to provide sources that I honestly thought were legitimate. And you deleted my input as well. You say Sri Lankan’s do not consider themselves Desi. You know this how? Did you take a survey to see how many consider themselves Desi? You used dictionary definitions and academic sources. So did I. The talk pages are a forum where anybody can contribute anything to the discussion as long as they use credible sources. Learn to be more open-minded to viewpoints that differ from yours. 2600:1016:B10A:6381:BDEB:836E:B036:2B55 ( talk) 15:03, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
And by the way, here’s another academic source that provides another definition of desi
https://www.hepg.org/her-home/issues/harvard-educational-review-volume-73-issue-3/herbooknote/desis-in-the-house_85 174.140.123.48 ( talk) 12:37, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
Um no. Try again. The author clearly states the term “Desi” is a term for a native of South Asia that has taken hold among many second-generation youth of Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, and Sri Lankan descent. That suggests that youth of Sri Lankan descent use the term to describe themselves as well. As for my deleting your edit request, I already told you on my talk page that it was by accident, as much as I disagreed with your viewpoint, and I apologised. You don’t want to believe me, fine. But you were the one who deleted my attempts to introduce new sources that I thought were credible and you did that long before I deleted your edit requests. Furthermore, you ignored the dictionary definition I introduced from Oxford Learner’s dictionary. In fact, you deleted that too. As a Sri Lankan, I think my sources are perfectly legitimate. You’re just trying to slant the article in favour of your own point of view. Here’s how I know this. You wanted me to provide academic sources. So I did. Now you’re moving the goalposts. You’re saying the sources have to be provided by Sri Lankan’s. Besides that, you deleted my attempts to introduce new sources on the talk page. And again before I deleted any edit requests which, as I said before, was unintentional. Accept the fact that not everything on Wikipedia is going to agree with your viewpoint and move on.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1006:B047:F363:4424:7930:4983:E375 ( talk) 02:11, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
Oh okay. So if the term “Desi” is subjective, why are you acting like it’s a fact that it only refers to Indians, Pakistanis, and Bangladeshis? Seems to me that that’s subjective too. And are you telling me that only North Indians and not South Indians are Desi, if we are going with your assumption that Sri Lankan’s are closest to South Indians? Which, by the way, is not entirely true, as one of the articles in this very online encyclopaedia, genetic studies on Sinhalese, points out genetic evidence suggesting Sinhalese descent from both South Indians and Bengalis, using a variety of scientific references. Seems to me both North and South Indians use the term “Desi” to refer to themselves. And stop going on about how I deleted your edit requests. I already told you I deleted one by accident and I apologised. But if you need to hear it again, fine. I’m sorry. And the article was already changed to include Nepalis and Sri Lankan’s even before your edit request was deleted. And not by me either, but rather other users. I merely provided input on the talk page. Furthermore, you included other edit requests after that. I also don’t consider introducing sources that I honestly think are credible “spamming.” I’m sorry they don’t fit your definition of what is considered credible. But thank you for demonstrating to me how editors on this forum are willing to stifle debate and discussion. I am done now. Do whatever you want to the article. I really don’t care.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1002:B02C:ED02:E0DF:1FA5:A271:C190 ( talk) 14:05, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
OK, so we agree that Sinhalese have both Bengali and South Indian ancestry. But Bangladeshis, by definition, are Bengali, which as you said, is East Indian and not North Indian. So why are Bangladeshis grouped under the umbrella term “Desi” and not Sri Lankan’s? That doesn’t make any sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.140.115.206 ( talk) 01:18, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Oh, one more thing. The quote from that article says “Desi is a colloquial term for someone native to South Asia and one that has taken hold among many second-generation youth in the diaspora of Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Sri Lankan, or even Indo-Caribbean descent.” The author is therefore saying that second-generation youth of Sri Lankan and other South Asian descent use the term “Desi” to describe themselves. She, herself, is not saying that she considers Sri Lankan’s to be desi. Therefore, the author is not stating an opinion but rather a fact that second generation youth of Sri Lankan as well as other South Asian descent use the term “Desi” to describe themselves. Also, Sinhalese, in particular, share cultural similarities with North India as well as South India. Their language is Indo-Aryan and is more closely related to Hindi, Bengali, Marathi, etc.... than Kannada, Tamil, Malayalam, etc...Also, their religion, Buddhism, came from northern India, not southern India≈ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.140.123.48 ([[User talk:174.140.123.48#top|talk 174.140.115.206 ( talk) 00:48, 4 November 2019 (UTC) 16:01, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Fine then. Let's take a look at one of YOUR sources, in particular the one by Guha. We'll even leave aside the fact that this is not an academic source but rather an OPINION piece, written in what I presume is a magazine targeted toward the South Asian community. I would actually think an article published in the Harvard Educational Review is more credible and much more of an academic source, but I digress. Guha does indeed include the Oxford Dictionary definition, which says "a person of Indian, Pakistani, or Bengali descent who lives abroad." However, he also goes on to say, "This kind of clinical meaning doesn't account for how 'desi' identity has morphed. It makes no mention of Sri Lanka or the Maldives. It even seems to think 'desi' applies uniquely to non-resident members of the South Asian community." So Guha himself is actually criticising the Oxford Dictionary Definition of "desi." He is saying that "desi" identity has expanded beyond India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. He also says the term, as defined in the Oxford Dictionary, limits itself to NON-RESIDENT nationals of those countries. He is actually saying that the Oxford Dictionary Definition of "desi", which you also used as a source, is too narrow. And yes, even though the Oxford Dictionary definition does define "desi" as a person of Indian, Pakistani, or Bengali descent who lives abroad, the Oxford Learner's Dictionary says something completely different. It says, 'local or belonging to a particular place; Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, or Sri Lankan." Here is the reference: <ref> https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/desi_1>ref So even two dictionaries that are both published by Oxford do not agree on the definition of "desi". 174.140.115.206 ( talk) 05:05, 11 November 2019 (UTC) 174.140.115.206 ( talk) 05:07, 11 November 2019 (UTC) 174.140.115.206 ( talk) 05:18, 11 November 2019 (UTC) 174.140.115.206 ( talk) 05:24, 11 November 2019 (UTC) 174.140.115.206 ( talk) 05:32, 11 November 2019 (UTC) 174.140.115.206 ( talk) 01:53, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
What don't you understand? It's subjective. The general consensus is that Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are the only groups of people described as "Desis" and this is what most sources suggest. Of course there are exceptions but considering the fact that most Sri Lankans don't even know what "Desi" means only proves how this term is used. I shall repeat, the general consensus is that Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are the only groups of people described as "Desis". It's subjective, take it or leave it. ( 2001:8003:4E76:8500:3CAB:983C:993C:6920 ( talk) 13:34, 5 January 2020 (UTC))
Well, guess what. If you look at the latest edit, it says that the term "desi" is generally used to refer to people from the majority of South Asia, which is defined as the Indian subcontinent. And the Indian subcontinent, according to our very own article on the particular topic, includes not just India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh, but also Sri Lanka, Maldives, Nepal, and Bhutan. So you really have no choice but to include individuals from the latter four countries under the term "desi", do you? Or are you going to start demanding to change the Indian subcontinent article to be defined as only India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh? 174.140.115.206 ( talk) 00:01, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
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Please reinstate the version established here. There is a group of users that continue to break the rules of Wikipedia and include other countries to the list despite the fact that we had a discussion that based on the credible sources we have, only India, Pakistan and Bangladesh are considered "Desi" countries. The sources featured i the article's introduction do not support the inclusion of "Nepal" or "Sri Lanka", so those two countries should not be listed. I got this page blocked two years ago for the sole purpose of avoiding these types of edits. Please revert it to the original version. 101.182.37.34 ( talk) 00:11, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
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"I am done now. Do whatever you want to the article. I really don’t care."doesn't show me that consensus was reached, but rather that that person was frustrated to the point of giving up. (Besides which, the discussion continued for a bit after that was said.)As I've mentioned before on this page, edit requests are intended for edits that are uncontroversial improvements (which this is clearly not) or that are already supported by clear consensus (which I do not see). The correct way forward here is to continue working toward achieving a consensus between the parties involved - through continued discussion here on the talk page if possible, or with outside assistance if needed - but not through edit requests. ‑‑ ElHef ( Meep?) 13:42, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
"Thus, svadeśa (Sanskrit: स्वदेश) refers to one's own country or homeland, while paradeśa (Sanskrit: परदेश) refers to another's country or a foreign land."
svadeśa is a Sanskrit word. The way the above sentence is written, it seems like it isn't and then you add the Sanskrit translation, while in truth you're only adding the spelling of the same word in Devanagari. So instead of '(Sanskrit: स्वदेश)' the text should read '(Devanagari: स्वदेश)'. Same with the following parenthesis. There is no need, by the way, to point out in this sentence that the words mentioned are Sanskrit words, as this is already clear from what precedes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:3D08:6881:6F00:1463:5B2C:D58D:1C8C ( talk) 17:48, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
A pronunciation in English would be useful. The phonetics given at the top of this article is a narrow transcription [d̪eːsi], which (since /d̪/ and /eː/ aren't native English phonemes) I assume is the pronunciation of the word in a South Asian language (Hindi perhaps?). The common anglicized pronunciation would also be useful (and a specificity about what language /d̪eːsi/ represents too). I always assumed it was /'de.si/, but I've seen /'deɪ.si/ online? -- Tomatoswoop ( talk) 17:12, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
I have a statement to make regarding the new information added to the article. The source that the editor is quoting from, Boy Culture: An Encyclopedia, does NOT say that desi refers only to people from those countries that were under the British Raj: India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. If you read the Desi Boys section of that source, it says that desi is a slang term used to refer to South Asians. You cannot put in information that is completely different or opposite to what an article states and then claim the article as a source of that information 207.255.243.110 ( talk) 04:38, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
This is another link providing a definition of desi. Hope this helps:
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/desi 207.255.243.110 ( talk) 02:50, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
Images are powerful in visualizing stuff. The map at the start of the article colors only three nations in their totality and implies that the following countries are by the straight definition excluded from the "Desi" culture: Nepal, Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Maldives and Myanmar. At the same time it is implied that all of Pakistan is part of the culture. I can see why some sources might exclude countries, or quite possible giving just the three most important examples for brevity. I think this should be discussed and amended, especially since there are so many nuances in South Asian culture. If Tamils are part of Desi culture, Sri Lanka should get included as well. If people with Assamese or Delhi background are Desi, why not Nepalese? If the concept is tethered that much to Hindi, then South India should not be colored in the map? If the concept exists to exclude Central Asia, as the article describes, parts of Pakistan should be dropped in the map. Was this map just introduced on a whim, based on the quote that is underneath it? -- Enyavar ( talk) 16:59, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
Why is the lang-ta template included in the lead when desi is not a common term used in the Tamil language? This is very odd. Chronikhiles (talk) 05:57, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
There is a plethora of sources that exclude people in Afghanistan from being labelled as desi as they are an eastern Iranian/Turkic country, not a Hindustani Indo-Aryan/Dravidian country.
Please use the talk page to reach a consensus with reputable sources before adding them again 2600:1700:158F:A900:8CDD:EFC2:C0F8:7284 ( talk) 00:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Added, south Indians are not desi nor part of desi culture. In south India there is no usage of desi as such. Afv12e ( talk) 02:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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Desi means that person is related to a particular country.for ex. An Indian person is'desi/deshi'(native)for his own country but he is 'videsi/videshi'(foreigner)for all other countries.An American is desi in America. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shwetayd ( talk • contribs) 18:05, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
Simply the term "Desi" comes from Indo-Aryan Sanskrit meaning "land". Before editing the page and discriminating each other, consider the fact that how many countries in South Asia uses this term "Desi". Not just people from India, but from Sri Lanka Pakistan, Bangladesh and Maldives uses this term.
Who uses this term "Desi"? Every country that speaks languages that belongs to Indo-aryan/Sanskrit. That includes languages such as Hindi, Urdu, Punjabi, Sinhalese, Bengali, Divehi and Marathi.
You can see full list of languages in here, /info/en/?search=Indo-Aryan_languages
So any country that speaks the languages can use the term Desi. See the list below, every language below have their own way of saying the same exact term "Desi", pronounced the same EXACT way! Assamese: দেশী, Bengali: দেশি, Gujarati: દેશી, Hindi: देसी, Kannada: ದೇಶಿ , Malayalam: ദേശി, Marathi: देशी, Sinhalese: දේශිය, Odia: ଦେଶୀ, Punjabi: ਦੇਸੀ / دیسی, Tamil: தேசி, Telugu: దేశీయుడు-desiyudu not as commonly used as Bharatyeeudu, Urdu: دیسی, Malay: desa, Sindhi: ديسي
Stop editing this post over whatever the hating propaganda you're trying to promote! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DesiKindInMahMind ( talk • contribs) 04:23, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
Comment Do you know that Desi and it's variants translate to "local" or "native" and has nothing to do with South Asia? "Desi" is a Western, specifically American construct not a South Asian construct. Can you look at the sources and read them please, without deleting them and thinking no one has noticed? This is the third time I have told you do this, how long is it going to take for you to actually read them? No one is trying to discriminate anyone, why are you posting such accusations? ( 121.220.96.223 ( talk) 10:35, 11 October 2016 (UTC))
Please stop going back and forth with this! It was good enough when it said desi countries often include Bhutan, Maldives, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka! As a Sri Lankan, I indeed consider myself desi considering we have roots in India, whether Sinhalese or Tamil! Stop repeatedly changing it to Bangladesh, India, and Pakistan are often considered desi countries and Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan, and the Maldives may also be considered desi countries! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.255.80.178 ( talk) 04:47, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
No, not sock puppeting! This is my first time writing commentary on a talk page, genius, so I wasn't aware you had to sign with tildes! Just because I happen to agree with the other poster doesn't automatically mean sock-puppetry! And by the way, reference 5 did not provide a page regarding South Asians, so not exactly a good source of information. And while reference 2 and 3 only included Indian, Pakistani, and Bangladeshi, reference 4 did include the other groups such as Nepali and Sri Lankan. Here, now I'll sign off with the tilde so you don't get your panties in a wad! 207.255.80.178 ( talk) 02:59, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
OK, fine, but here are a couple more sources suggesting that the term desi is in fact used by Sri Lankans, Nepalis, etc.. to refer to themselves.
http://www.dynadot.com/community/blog/2014/10/desis-have-desi-domain.html
http://desilit.org/chapters/30-2/ ≈ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.207.250.207 ( talk) 22:33, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
And here is more evidence that the term "desi" includes other groups such as Sri Lankans or Maldivians in addition to Indians, Pakistanis, and Banglandeshis.
https://orgsync.com/135345 138.207.250.175 ( talk) 04:15, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
I find this term being used to describe Pakistanis (and Sri Lankans, Bangladeshis, Nepalese) as almost comical. "Desi" is just another term for people in india pakistan and bangladesh . Indian and Pakistani cultures are largely the same , india is unique in the sense that its got a mix of the south the west and east of south Asia all in one but if i were to say what it is mainly, i would say south India and west south Asia which includes Pakistan. Ethnically speaking you cant see gangetic people indus people etc etc , indus people are the people are the people originating from the indus valley and those people were largely hindus or dharmic these people spread themselves all across india mainly the north as there were 2 waves of migration , which is why its appropriate to say north indians are indus people , plus there is no such thing as gangetic people as all the empires occuring on the gangetic plain were made by central asian and indus people. I see many Pakistanis trying to differentiate themselves with the iranian and afghan or dardic culure desperately even though they make up a minority of the culture , they are so desperate they go on to make outrages claims that pakistani culture is no where near the same as indian , these people must keep in mind when Pakistan was created the creators of these nations largely did not care about areas such as balochistan as even though these areas are part of the indian subcontinent its been a while since any empire had brought all of that together , so when pakistan was made these places were never taken into consideration which is why when paksitan was made the pashtuns had their own freedom group from the start and this still goes onto today as well as the balochs , you dont see indians doing this simply because india is too big and different all thought .However these people are mistaken in many senses as if you look at the baloch dna the iranic group of pakistan , they have a large amount of ASI dna which is very also very common in south india specifically states like kerala, karnatka, telengana (not so much east south india).The only added difference i will give to the "region" of pakistan is that they were slightly more exposed to western medieval forces so ultimately in terms of concentration indus genes are more concentrated however if youre talking about sheer number indus genes are much more in india but it wnt be as concentrate simply because its so lare .
Pakistanis also speak and write languages based on the Persian-Urdu Alphabet (ie. Urdu, Pashto, Punjabi, Sindhi, Balochi, Kashmiri, Wakhi, Hindko, Seraiki, Brahui etc.) whereas Indians write in Sanskrit based script (I don't know the script I just took a guess).
^^ as you can see this person is desperately trying to differentiate themselves from india and its pathetic , Persian urdu alphabet is not a thing and he made that up for obvious reasons urdu does use the persian script , furthermore he includes the most irrelevant languages in Pakistan that literally 1 percent of the population speak like hindko and wakhi because these Pakistanis try to portray themselves as iranic a lot more, he also suggested indians write largely in the sanskrit script and seemed to act like as if he doesnt even know what sanskrit is . .What urdu was a language not even made in paksitan was largely more of a north indian thing not just concentrated to Pakistan , if you look at punjab pre partition everyone used to be able to read in both scripts same goes with sindhi , and urdu was a language largely forced upon Pakistanis today , as you can see in the stats there are significantly more people in india speaking urdu as their first language however more people in Pakistan speak urdu as their second language than india, however cultural representation of urdu has decreased largely because of religious intolerance created due to partition as many indians see urdu as a muslim language and hindi as a hindu one , but pre partition there was not much religious politicly debate about language as many people could write and speak both , this is still seen in india as many of the states have signs in both hindi and urdu and the second language in school is usually hindi or Urdu .
95 odd years of British Indian occupation does not erase 9000 years of Indus culture and history that Pakistan adopted in 1947. So this article either needs to be re-written or simply deleted. Thank you. ^clearly this person knows nothing about the indus valey as exited close to 6000 years not 9000 and the British were south Asia upwards of 100 years. Indus valley and genetics and culture were not confined to the indus valley it merely shows where it originates from , furthermore the indus valley where dharmic people which is where a lot of north indian genetic and culture comes from as well as religion which is why i would say it has as a equal effect of the people india or more than Pakistan (which is why the indus valley civilisation is much more taught india than pakistan). So having a border for 70 years doesnt suddenly confine the genetics and culture all to that region , only a fool would say that.
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Can you please add these sources back in the introduction after the sentence, " Bhutan, the Maldives, Nepal, and Sri Lanka may also be considered "Desi" countries in some usages of the term".
I'm not sure why they were removed because they were included to show how the term differs in context and how they always include India, Pakistan and Bangladesh as opposed to other South Asian countries. 101.160.170.136 ( talk) 03:53, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
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I have removed any mention of Pakistan in this joke of article and will continue removing Pakistan until I find substantial evidence that any self-respecting Pakistani (or South Asian for that matter who isn't from India) would consider calling him or herself "desi". This term is completely foreign to me and continuously shoving other countries into this joke of a article is just lame. Under what basis are you claiming that Pakistanis and Sri Lankans and Bangladeshis are "desi". Who says? A couple of random internet articles? Please.
This term is foreign to Pakistanis. The only place where I have heard "desi" ever being used is northeast Punjab. Nobody in the rest of Punjab or the rest of Pakistan for that matter uses the term "desi". It's completely foreign to us.
The term "desi" in northeast Punjab also means something different than what this joke of article is trying to explain. For Punjabis in the northeast, desi has two meanings:
I don't understand why a Punjabi would call him or herself a "desi" in Britain or the United States when he or she isn't even local or native of that country.
For example, when comparing ghee there is valaiti ghee and desi ghee.
If the term "desi" is being used because we share similar genetics, then I'm sorry to break it to you but Pakistani ethnic groups and Indian ethnic groups share no similarities whatsoever. In fact, the difference are quite distinct. Pakistani ethnic groups (Indus nations) share similar genetic makeup which starkly differs that of North Indian ethnic groups (Gangetic nations) and South Indian ethnic groups (Dravidian nations). The information was compiled by Human genetic clustering studies.
If the term "desi" is being used because we share similar languages, then sorry again...but we don't share the same languages either.
All Pakistani languages are written using the Persian-Urdu Nastaliq script, whereas Indian languages are written in Brahmic scripts.
All Pakistani languages are either Indo-Aryan, Dardic or Iranian languages, whereas Indian languages are mainly Dravidian.
The most hilarious thing I find is when people say "Pakistanis and Indians are the same" as if Pakistani or Indian is an "ethnic" term. These are political terms that define several ETHNIC GROUPS that reside in both countries. The only ethnic group that is found in both Pakistan and India are PUNJABIS...and in Pakistan, Punjabis are only found in the northeastern part of Punjab province. The rest is inhabited by Seraikis, Hindkowans and Pahari people. Other than that, there is no significant large populations that are found in both countries. Even the Indian Muslims who came to Pakistan in 1947 were no more than 4-6 million. So you're telling me 4 to 6 million people are going to define 190 million people today?
Give your head a big shake. So it's incredibly stupid to use this word as an ethnonym when we already have our own identity Pakistanis or Overseas Pakistanis. -- PAKHIGHWAY ( talk) 20:33, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
Here we have several sources that support the assertion that desi nations include Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan, and Maldives as well as Bangladesh, India, and Pakistan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.207.250.207 ( talk) 02:08, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
http://www.dynadot.com/community/blog/2014/10/desis-have-desi-domain.html
http://desilit.org/chapters/30-2/
https://orgsync.com/135345 138.207.250.207 ( talk) 01:55, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
In the sentence- Desi is an Indo-Aryan term that ultimately originates in the Sanskrit देश (deśa) "region. The pronounciation indicated "deśa" is incorrect as it is instead written as देसा. On the other hand, देश will be written as "desh" in English characters. I am a native speaker of and academic in Hindi Aishpan ( talk) 18:24, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
This is Sanskrit, though, not Hindi. In Sanskrit देश is indeed pronounced "deśa". देसा, on the other hand, would be pronounced as "deshaa" with a long "a" (marker of the feminine gender) at the end. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:3D08:6881:6F00:1463:5B2C:D58D:1C8C ( talk) 17:40, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
At the end there it says that the term is "strongly criticized". Who is crticizing it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2620:101:F000:702:110D:206B:A37E:9C59 ( talk) 04:30, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
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Could somebody please remove "The Maldives, Nepal and Sri Lanka may also be considered "desi" countries in some usages of the term"? I can't find any source for the inclusion of those countries. The inclusion of those countries has been disputed for a very long time as seen in the edit history of this page and it has caused a lot of problems over the years. It is the reason why I asked for this page to be protected last year following disruptive edits made by a user. 120.144.157.210 ( talk) 03:13, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
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Sorry, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you about the first source. While it does say that "desi has functioned as a code for all things Indian", it also says that, "To be desi, in the most conventional sense of the term, is to claim a cultural belonging, affiliation, and ancestry to one or more of the countries in South Asia, including Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, and Nepal." In addition, the other two sources may not be academic, but they are from South Asian organizations, which imply that groups such as Nepali and Sri Lankan are included under the term "desi." The reason this is relevant is because "desi" is a slang term that South Asians use among themselves to refer to their own ethnic group. The fact that Sri Lankans and Nepalis are included suggests that they are also considered desis by other South Asians. And, in any case, I really doubt you will find too many academic sources giving a precise definition of the word desi as it is a slang term, as I have already mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.140.115.206 ( talk) 03:54, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
I have looked at the first source. Even though I agree it says, “Desi has functioned as a code for all things Indian”, it also clearly states, “To be Desi,in the most conventional sense of the term, is to claim a cultural affiliation or belonging to one or more of the countries in South Asia, including Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, and Nepal.” 174.140.115.206 ( talk) 20:39, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
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Could somebody please revert changes made by UserNumber ( talk · contribs)? They have added unsourced information to the page without any references. They also claimed that the source mentioned more countries and ethnic groups but that's a lie because they don't. This page has for so long been disrupted by various people. I successfully lobbied for this page to be protected in 2017 because of a sockpuppet's disruptive edits and to prevent IP addresses from disrupting it but the same thing continues to happen with registered users. It's so frustrating. Please restore the version last edited by Typritc ( talk · contribs). Thanks. ( 120.144.154.144 ( talk) 05:30, 15 June 2018 (UTC)) 120.144.154.144 ( talk) 05:30, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
You can undo my edit. UserNumber ( talk) 17:56, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
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Could somebody please restore the version of Desi published by Highpeaks35 ( talk · contribs)? Avhiyan ( talk · contribs) added unsourced to the information despite a discussion above that confirmed that no such credible sources exist to support the inclusion of such information. 121.214.54.10 ( talk) 01:36, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
Here is another source to check out: hepg.org/her-home/issues/Harvard-educational-review...73../desis-in-the-house_85≈ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.140.123.48 ( talk) 20:12, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
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Could somebody please restore the version of Desi published by AjaxSmack ( talk · contribs)? Highpeaks35 ( talk · contribs) added incorrectly sourced information despite a discussion that confirmed that no such credible sources exist to support the inclusion of such information.
Highpeaks35 claims the source supports the inclusion of "Sri Lanka, Maldives and Nepal" but the source doesn't. The source says, "The South Asian experience is complex, mired, and expansive. It includes the stories of men and women who can trace their heritages back to nations besides India, such as Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, the Maldives, and Nepal". Nowhere does it state that those three countries are considered "Desi", not to mention that Rohin Gaha's source is actually about how "Desi" only refers to India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Could somebody please restore the original version? I got this page protected in 2017 to prevent these types of edits, I'm disappointed that a registered user is making edits without a credible source. 101.189.37.178 ( talk) 23:37, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
The definition of desi according to Oxford Learner's Dictionary:
<ref https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/desi_1>ref
174.140.115.206 ( talk) 15:15, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
@101.189.37.178 The fact that you deleted my comment, which does in fact provide a link to a credible source, suggests that you in fact are not concerned about stating facts in the article but rather pushing some sort of agenda. If this wasn’t the case, you would have tried refuting my point with a counter argument. The fact that you deleted my statement suggests that you couldn’t provide a satisfactory rebuttal to my point. You asked for a credible source that incorporates Sri Lankans under the term Desi. I have provided it, the Oxford Learner’s Dictionary. So what’s your problem? Other users are allowed to disagree with your opinion. You have also been very rude and condescending whenever I have in fact tried to provide sources that I honestly thought were legitimate. And you deleted my input as well. You say Sri Lankan’s do not consider themselves Desi. You know this how? Did you take a survey to see how many consider themselves Desi? You used dictionary definitions and academic sources. So did I. The talk pages are a forum where anybody can contribute anything to the discussion as long as they use credible sources. Learn to be more open-minded to viewpoints that differ from yours. 2600:1016:B10A:6381:BDEB:836E:B036:2B55 ( talk) 15:03, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
And by the way, here’s another academic source that provides another definition of desi
https://www.hepg.org/her-home/issues/harvard-educational-review-volume-73-issue-3/herbooknote/desis-in-the-house_85 174.140.123.48 ( talk) 12:37, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
Um no. Try again. The author clearly states the term “Desi” is a term for a native of South Asia that has taken hold among many second-generation youth of Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, and Sri Lankan descent. That suggests that youth of Sri Lankan descent use the term to describe themselves as well. As for my deleting your edit request, I already told you on my talk page that it was by accident, as much as I disagreed with your viewpoint, and I apologised. You don’t want to believe me, fine. But you were the one who deleted my attempts to introduce new sources that I thought were credible and you did that long before I deleted your edit requests. Furthermore, you ignored the dictionary definition I introduced from Oxford Learner’s dictionary. In fact, you deleted that too. As a Sri Lankan, I think my sources are perfectly legitimate. You’re just trying to slant the article in favour of your own point of view. Here’s how I know this. You wanted me to provide academic sources. So I did. Now you’re moving the goalposts. You’re saying the sources have to be provided by Sri Lankan’s. Besides that, you deleted my attempts to introduce new sources on the talk page. And again before I deleted any edit requests which, as I said before, was unintentional. Accept the fact that not everything on Wikipedia is going to agree with your viewpoint and move on.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1006:B047:F363:4424:7930:4983:E375 ( talk) 02:11, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
Oh okay. So if the term “Desi” is subjective, why are you acting like it’s a fact that it only refers to Indians, Pakistanis, and Bangladeshis? Seems to me that that’s subjective too. And are you telling me that only North Indians and not South Indians are Desi, if we are going with your assumption that Sri Lankan’s are closest to South Indians? Which, by the way, is not entirely true, as one of the articles in this very online encyclopaedia, genetic studies on Sinhalese, points out genetic evidence suggesting Sinhalese descent from both South Indians and Bengalis, using a variety of scientific references. Seems to me both North and South Indians use the term “Desi” to refer to themselves. And stop going on about how I deleted your edit requests. I already told you I deleted one by accident and I apologised. But if you need to hear it again, fine. I’m sorry. And the article was already changed to include Nepalis and Sri Lankan’s even before your edit request was deleted. And not by me either, but rather other users. I merely provided input on the talk page. Furthermore, you included other edit requests after that. I also don’t consider introducing sources that I honestly think are credible “spamming.” I’m sorry they don’t fit your definition of what is considered credible. But thank you for demonstrating to me how editors on this forum are willing to stifle debate and discussion. I am done now. Do whatever you want to the article. I really don’t care.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1002:B02C:ED02:E0DF:1FA5:A271:C190 ( talk) 14:05, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
OK, so we agree that Sinhalese have both Bengali and South Indian ancestry. But Bangladeshis, by definition, are Bengali, which as you said, is East Indian and not North Indian. So why are Bangladeshis grouped under the umbrella term “Desi” and not Sri Lankan’s? That doesn’t make any sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.140.115.206 ( talk) 01:18, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Oh, one more thing. The quote from that article says “Desi is a colloquial term for someone native to South Asia and one that has taken hold among many second-generation youth in the diaspora of Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Sri Lankan, or even Indo-Caribbean descent.” The author is therefore saying that second-generation youth of Sri Lankan and other South Asian descent use the term “Desi” to describe themselves. She, herself, is not saying that she considers Sri Lankan’s to be desi. Therefore, the author is not stating an opinion but rather a fact that second generation youth of Sri Lankan as well as other South Asian descent use the term “Desi” to describe themselves. Also, Sinhalese, in particular, share cultural similarities with North India as well as South India. Their language is Indo-Aryan and is more closely related to Hindi, Bengali, Marathi, etc.... than Kannada, Tamil, Malayalam, etc...Also, their religion, Buddhism, came from northern India, not southern India≈ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.140.123.48 ([[User talk:174.140.123.48#top|talk 174.140.115.206 ( talk) 00:48, 4 November 2019 (UTC) 16:01, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Fine then. Let's take a look at one of YOUR sources, in particular the one by Guha. We'll even leave aside the fact that this is not an academic source but rather an OPINION piece, written in what I presume is a magazine targeted toward the South Asian community. I would actually think an article published in the Harvard Educational Review is more credible and much more of an academic source, but I digress. Guha does indeed include the Oxford Dictionary definition, which says "a person of Indian, Pakistani, or Bengali descent who lives abroad." However, he also goes on to say, "This kind of clinical meaning doesn't account for how 'desi' identity has morphed. It makes no mention of Sri Lanka or the Maldives. It even seems to think 'desi' applies uniquely to non-resident members of the South Asian community." So Guha himself is actually criticising the Oxford Dictionary Definition of "desi." He is saying that "desi" identity has expanded beyond India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. He also says the term, as defined in the Oxford Dictionary, limits itself to NON-RESIDENT nationals of those countries. He is actually saying that the Oxford Dictionary Definition of "desi", which you also used as a source, is too narrow. And yes, even though the Oxford Dictionary definition does define "desi" as a person of Indian, Pakistani, or Bengali descent who lives abroad, the Oxford Learner's Dictionary says something completely different. It says, 'local or belonging to a particular place; Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, or Sri Lankan." Here is the reference: <ref> https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/desi_1>ref So even two dictionaries that are both published by Oxford do not agree on the definition of "desi". 174.140.115.206 ( talk) 05:05, 11 November 2019 (UTC) 174.140.115.206 ( talk) 05:07, 11 November 2019 (UTC) 174.140.115.206 ( talk) 05:18, 11 November 2019 (UTC) 174.140.115.206 ( talk) 05:24, 11 November 2019 (UTC) 174.140.115.206 ( talk) 05:32, 11 November 2019 (UTC) 174.140.115.206 ( talk) 01:53, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
What don't you understand? It's subjective. The general consensus is that Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are the only groups of people described as "Desis" and this is what most sources suggest. Of course there are exceptions but considering the fact that most Sri Lankans don't even know what "Desi" means only proves how this term is used. I shall repeat, the general consensus is that Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are the only groups of people described as "Desis". It's subjective, take it or leave it. ( 2001:8003:4E76:8500:3CAB:983C:993C:6920 ( talk) 13:34, 5 January 2020 (UTC))
Well, guess what. If you look at the latest edit, it says that the term "desi" is generally used to refer to people from the majority of South Asia, which is defined as the Indian subcontinent. And the Indian subcontinent, according to our very own article on the particular topic, includes not just India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh, but also Sri Lanka, Maldives, Nepal, and Bhutan. So you really have no choice but to include individuals from the latter four countries under the term "desi", do you? Or are you going to start demanding to change the Indian subcontinent article to be defined as only India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh? 174.140.115.206 ( talk) 00:01, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
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Please reinstate the version established here. There is a group of users that continue to break the rules of Wikipedia and include other countries to the list despite the fact that we had a discussion that based on the credible sources we have, only India, Pakistan and Bangladesh are considered "Desi" countries. The sources featured i the article's introduction do not support the inclusion of "Nepal" or "Sri Lanka", so those two countries should not be listed. I got this page blocked two years ago for the sole purpose of avoiding these types of edits. Please revert it to the original version. 101.182.37.34 ( talk) 00:11, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
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"I am done now. Do whatever you want to the article. I really don’t care."doesn't show me that consensus was reached, but rather that that person was frustrated to the point of giving up. (Besides which, the discussion continued for a bit after that was said.)As I've mentioned before on this page, edit requests are intended for edits that are uncontroversial improvements (which this is clearly not) or that are already supported by clear consensus (which I do not see). The correct way forward here is to continue working toward achieving a consensus between the parties involved - through continued discussion here on the talk page if possible, or with outside assistance if needed - but not through edit requests. ‑‑ ElHef ( Meep?) 13:42, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
"Thus, svadeśa (Sanskrit: स्वदेश) refers to one's own country or homeland, while paradeśa (Sanskrit: परदेश) refers to another's country or a foreign land."
svadeśa is a Sanskrit word. The way the above sentence is written, it seems like it isn't and then you add the Sanskrit translation, while in truth you're only adding the spelling of the same word in Devanagari. So instead of '(Sanskrit: स्वदेश)' the text should read '(Devanagari: स्वदेश)'. Same with the following parenthesis. There is no need, by the way, to point out in this sentence that the words mentioned are Sanskrit words, as this is already clear from what precedes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:3D08:6881:6F00:1463:5B2C:D58D:1C8C ( talk) 17:48, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
A pronunciation in English would be useful. The phonetics given at the top of this article is a narrow transcription [d̪eːsi], which (since /d̪/ and /eː/ aren't native English phonemes) I assume is the pronunciation of the word in a South Asian language (Hindi perhaps?). The common anglicized pronunciation would also be useful (and a specificity about what language /d̪eːsi/ represents too). I always assumed it was /'de.si/, but I've seen /'deɪ.si/ online? -- Tomatoswoop ( talk) 17:12, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
I have a statement to make regarding the new information added to the article. The source that the editor is quoting from, Boy Culture: An Encyclopedia, does NOT say that desi refers only to people from those countries that were under the British Raj: India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. If you read the Desi Boys section of that source, it says that desi is a slang term used to refer to South Asians. You cannot put in information that is completely different or opposite to what an article states and then claim the article as a source of that information 207.255.243.110 ( talk) 04:38, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
This is another link providing a definition of desi. Hope this helps:
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/desi 207.255.243.110 ( talk) 02:50, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
Images are powerful in visualizing stuff. The map at the start of the article colors only three nations in their totality and implies that the following countries are by the straight definition excluded from the "Desi" culture: Nepal, Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Maldives and Myanmar. At the same time it is implied that all of Pakistan is part of the culture. I can see why some sources might exclude countries, or quite possible giving just the three most important examples for brevity. I think this should be discussed and amended, especially since there are so many nuances in South Asian culture. If Tamils are part of Desi culture, Sri Lanka should get included as well. If people with Assamese or Delhi background are Desi, why not Nepalese? If the concept is tethered that much to Hindi, then South India should not be colored in the map? If the concept exists to exclude Central Asia, as the article describes, parts of Pakistan should be dropped in the map. Was this map just introduced on a whim, based on the quote that is underneath it? -- Enyavar ( talk) 16:59, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
Why is the lang-ta template included in the lead when desi is not a common term used in the Tamil language? This is very odd. Chronikhiles (talk) 05:57, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
There is a plethora of sources that exclude people in Afghanistan from being labelled as desi as they are an eastern Iranian/Turkic country, not a Hindustani Indo-Aryan/Dravidian country.
Please use the talk page to reach a consensus with reputable sources before adding them again 2600:1700:158F:A900:8CDD:EFC2:C0F8:7284 ( talk) 00:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Added, south Indians are not desi nor part of desi culture. In south India there is no usage of desi as such. Afv12e ( talk) 02:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)