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http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/1571 = 6'7 http://wild.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8469647 = 6'8 http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=50621 = 6'7 The most reliable source is hockeyfights.com, the wild site and NHL are overextending heights, hockeyfights is a neutral source -- Something12356789101 ( talk) 20:17, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
ugh fine and NO i am not a sockpuppet look at my other contributions as proof if you really want-- Something12356789101 ( talk) 20:35, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
ok now he's listed 6'7 again and people keep switching back to 6'8, read his profile, people were so insistent on him being 6'8, why can't you be insistent on the height he was listed at when he broke into the nhl. I'm only following the guidelines you said to use -- Something12356789101 ( talk) 03:41, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Can anyone check this flickr set of a January 2011 Rangers practice session and identify which one is Boogaard? Most likely it's this one. Andrewlp1991 ( talk) 06:31, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
This is Derek Boogaard, it appears to be usable, but doesn't do much for a hockey image: image Echoedmyron ( talk) 15:36, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
I'd also found this very blurry image, the only verifiable image of Boogaard available on a Creative Commons license at Flickr. Andrewlp1991 ( talk) 21:11, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
He only was 27 years old. He hadn't birthday this year. -- 91.56.194.248 ( talk) 17:55, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Should May 13th be changed to unknown? He was found dead, but until autopsy results are released, we won't know the date. The fact that his family entered his apartment make me think he was un reachable for some time and had been dead a while. That's just me speculating, but like I say we don't know he died the 13th. Lagerhog ( talk) 17:11, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Editor Freshfighter9 has been changing the phrasing of the aftermath of Boogaard's concussion, to state that "he was unable to recover sufficiently to play again", rather than to play again that season. There's a huge distinction here, as firstly, Boogaard was starting training and expected to play again next year; second, the phrasing as it currently stands incorrectly implies that Boogaard's career was ended by this concussion, which it wasn't; by making this false implication, adds weight to the (currently) unfounded rumor that the concussion may have something to do with Boogaard's death. From a literal point of view, saying that he never played again is factually true, but is misleading, as had he not died, he certainly would have. (As a comparison, it is as useful as saying that he is the last member of the Rangers to wear number 94; technically true, but the possibility remains that someone else could wear the number.) All this to say, I agree with the other editor who had originally used the "that season" phrasing, as it was the most useful and least ambiguous, but rather than get in an edit war, I'm putting it out there, here, before changing it back. Echoedmyron ( talk) 20:44, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
The 'Death' section says he was found dead. Then it says found unconscious. 60.161.248.217 ( talk) 15:19, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
The intro needs to mention the death. I wrote "He died at age 28 due to an accidental drug and alcohol overdose." That wording might need to be changed, but surely the irregular death of a 28-year-old is important enough to be highlighted in the intro. Omc ( talk) 19:00, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
The New York Times just ran an excellent three-part series on Boogaard's life and death and the role the many concussions he suffered played in the latter. It's got a lot of great biographical detail that could only improve this article if added and properly sourced. I may be adding it later but if someone else wants to, here are the links (by clicking on them from here, you'll come under the Times' "open web" exception to their paywall)
Daniel Case ( talk) 16:05, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
OK, it's done. Took half a week but the article is now more than twice as long. Daniel Case ( talk) 23:42, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that this 2011 NYT article quotes one of the neurosurgeons: “as of now, the medical community is not aware that any drug abuse, including alcohol, leads to chronic traumatic encephalopathy." [1] Evenrød ( talk) 10:06, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi Daniel Case ( talk). There are two sentences in the article that could be tweaked: First this sentence in the lede:
“A posthumous examination of his brain found he had suffered from chronic traumatic encephalopathy more advanced than that seen in some former enforcers who had died in middle age. It may have been caused by the many concussions he had suffered in the course of his career, or the alcohol and prescription pain medicine on which he had grown dependent.”
And this sentence under the section Issues Raised:
“While Boogaard admitted to a doctor that he may have had a lot more concussions than he acknowledged, even doctors aren't sure if his CTE was purely a result of the brain trauma, due to his substance abuse, which may have played a role as well. "What's the chicken? What's the egg?" says Robert Stern, a brain damage expert.[6]” Evenrød ( talk) 21:52, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
We don't know why one person gets it more severely than another person, why one person has a course that is more quick than another person ... But what we are pretty sure of is, once the disease starts, it continues to progress ... He had problems with abuse the last couple years of his life, and that coincided with some of the cognitive and behavioral and mood changes ... What's the chicken? What's the egg?
There is no scientific evidence to date that substance abuse or steroid use has any impact on the development of CTE. Having a motor vehicle accident where there is head trauma, that could definitely play a role in the development, but as far as we know a single traumatic brain injury from a motor vehicle accident would not be sufficient to bring about the disease. It's the repetitive nature of the brain trauma.
The association between Boogaard’s brain pathology and his clinical symptoms, specifically the behavioral changes and memory problems he experienced in his last two years, is unclear. For example, his clinical symptoms occurred during the same time period he was exhibiting narcotic abuse. CTE has been found in other deceased athletes who have died from overdoses or who had problems with substance abuse. It is unknown if the substance abuse is caused by the impulse control problems associated with CTE or if they are unrelated.
Daniel Case ( talk) 03:02, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Cool. Yeah I agree that the particular reference to the chicken and egg could be interpreted different ways based on how it's written in the Times piece. Thanks for posting other sources that better articulate the topic, since they shed a lot more clarity on the issue. If you have the time, I think that you would be better at doing the proposed amending than I. But since I brought this up to begin with, I am certainly willing to do it. Evenrød ( talk) 05:02, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Paracetamol, acetaminophen, was what killed him more than the alcohol or opiates. It's poison — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.190.36.107 ( talk) 03:47, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
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http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/1571 = 6'7 http://wild.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8469647 = 6'8 http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=50621 = 6'7 The most reliable source is hockeyfights.com, the wild site and NHL are overextending heights, hockeyfights is a neutral source -- Something12356789101 ( talk) 20:17, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
ugh fine and NO i am not a sockpuppet look at my other contributions as proof if you really want-- Something12356789101 ( talk) 20:35, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
ok now he's listed 6'7 again and people keep switching back to 6'8, read his profile, people were so insistent on him being 6'8, why can't you be insistent on the height he was listed at when he broke into the nhl. I'm only following the guidelines you said to use -- Something12356789101 ( talk) 03:41, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Can anyone check this flickr set of a January 2011 Rangers practice session and identify which one is Boogaard? Most likely it's this one. Andrewlp1991 ( talk) 06:31, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
This is Derek Boogaard, it appears to be usable, but doesn't do much for a hockey image: image Echoedmyron ( talk) 15:36, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
I'd also found this very blurry image, the only verifiable image of Boogaard available on a Creative Commons license at Flickr. Andrewlp1991 ( talk) 21:11, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
He only was 27 years old. He hadn't birthday this year. -- 91.56.194.248 ( talk) 17:55, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Should May 13th be changed to unknown? He was found dead, but until autopsy results are released, we won't know the date. The fact that his family entered his apartment make me think he was un reachable for some time and had been dead a while. That's just me speculating, but like I say we don't know he died the 13th. Lagerhog ( talk) 17:11, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Editor Freshfighter9 has been changing the phrasing of the aftermath of Boogaard's concussion, to state that "he was unable to recover sufficiently to play again", rather than to play again that season. There's a huge distinction here, as firstly, Boogaard was starting training and expected to play again next year; second, the phrasing as it currently stands incorrectly implies that Boogaard's career was ended by this concussion, which it wasn't; by making this false implication, adds weight to the (currently) unfounded rumor that the concussion may have something to do with Boogaard's death. From a literal point of view, saying that he never played again is factually true, but is misleading, as had he not died, he certainly would have. (As a comparison, it is as useful as saying that he is the last member of the Rangers to wear number 94; technically true, but the possibility remains that someone else could wear the number.) All this to say, I agree with the other editor who had originally used the "that season" phrasing, as it was the most useful and least ambiguous, but rather than get in an edit war, I'm putting it out there, here, before changing it back. Echoedmyron ( talk) 20:44, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
The 'Death' section says he was found dead. Then it says found unconscious. 60.161.248.217 ( talk) 15:19, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
The intro needs to mention the death. I wrote "He died at age 28 due to an accidental drug and alcohol overdose." That wording might need to be changed, but surely the irregular death of a 28-year-old is important enough to be highlighted in the intro. Omc ( talk) 19:00, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
The New York Times just ran an excellent three-part series on Boogaard's life and death and the role the many concussions he suffered played in the latter. It's got a lot of great biographical detail that could only improve this article if added and properly sourced. I may be adding it later but if someone else wants to, here are the links (by clicking on them from here, you'll come under the Times' "open web" exception to their paywall)
Daniel Case ( talk) 16:05, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
OK, it's done. Took half a week but the article is now more than twice as long. Daniel Case ( talk) 23:42, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that this 2011 NYT article quotes one of the neurosurgeons: “as of now, the medical community is not aware that any drug abuse, including alcohol, leads to chronic traumatic encephalopathy." [1] Evenrød ( talk) 10:06, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi Daniel Case ( talk). There are two sentences in the article that could be tweaked: First this sentence in the lede:
“A posthumous examination of his brain found he had suffered from chronic traumatic encephalopathy more advanced than that seen in some former enforcers who had died in middle age. It may have been caused by the many concussions he had suffered in the course of his career, or the alcohol and prescription pain medicine on which he had grown dependent.”
And this sentence under the section Issues Raised:
“While Boogaard admitted to a doctor that he may have had a lot more concussions than he acknowledged, even doctors aren't sure if his CTE was purely a result of the brain trauma, due to his substance abuse, which may have played a role as well. "What's the chicken? What's the egg?" says Robert Stern, a brain damage expert.[6]” Evenrød ( talk) 21:52, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
We don't know why one person gets it more severely than another person, why one person has a course that is more quick than another person ... But what we are pretty sure of is, once the disease starts, it continues to progress ... He had problems with abuse the last couple years of his life, and that coincided with some of the cognitive and behavioral and mood changes ... What's the chicken? What's the egg?
There is no scientific evidence to date that substance abuse or steroid use has any impact on the development of CTE. Having a motor vehicle accident where there is head trauma, that could definitely play a role in the development, but as far as we know a single traumatic brain injury from a motor vehicle accident would not be sufficient to bring about the disease. It's the repetitive nature of the brain trauma.
The association between Boogaard’s brain pathology and his clinical symptoms, specifically the behavioral changes and memory problems he experienced in his last two years, is unclear. For example, his clinical symptoms occurred during the same time period he was exhibiting narcotic abuse. CTE has been found in other deceased athletes who have died from overdoses or who had problems with substance abuse. It is unknown if the substance abuse is caused by the impulse control problems associated with CTE or if they are unrelated.
Daniel Case ( talk) 03:02, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Cool. Yeah I agree that the particular reference to the chicken and egg could be interpreted different ways based on how it's written in the Times piece. Thanks for posting other sources that better articulate the topic, since they shed a lot more clarity on the issue. If you have the time, I think that you would be better at doing the proposed amending than I. But since I brought this up to begin with, I am certainly willing to do it. Evenrød ( talk) 05:02, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Paracetamol, acetaminophen, was what killed him more than the alcohol or opiates. It's poison — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.190.36.107 ( talk) 03:47, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
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