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i'd like to put the question, what act should be considered the founding of Denver? it doesn't seem simple
the Founded date in the info box was recently changed from 22 to 17 Nov. 1858; in a sense both dates are valid — my research indicates the 17th is from indirect evidence the date of a committee forming in order to found the Denver City Town Company, while the 22nd is the date of the first entry in that entity's record book, which states on that day a constitution was adopted and the town site was laid out [1] [2]
(this is ignoring the fact that two other towns were already in some sense established, and the Denver City Town Company seems to have usurped one, then later merged with the other)
i note the citation given by Wisconsinsurfer in making the change is not the actual Record Book, but a finding aid whose summary seems to go beyond the actual contents of the book
here are several references which put the date at 22 Nov., though none say "founded":
and here are some which put it at the 17th, two use "founded":
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Re "...making it the highest major city in the United States.[9]" Possible but questionable statement. What is the definition of "major city"? Albuquerque, NM with 557K population (907K metro area) is higher at 5,312 ft. Venqax ( talk) 16:46, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
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IP user 68.114.34.9 has now three times added content which contains direct, multi-sentence quotations from the cited sources; the content is also in a subjective narrative style which i believe is inappropriate ("non-encyclopedic"); the third pass has done some paraphrasing but still quotes several complete sentences without in-text attribution; clearly the content is important to them, but i hesitate to try to open a dialog with an IP user; i'm at the limit of my wixpertise and would rather step back and observe how someone more experienced might handle it; TIA Garbanzito ( talk) 21:43, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
I have attempted to add a few sentences to the early history of Denver, only to have it removed again and again. I think I have gotten it down to a concise bit now, but still it gets pulled. I think it adds something to things that have been said - Larimer's desire to "curry favor" is given more of the backstory - he and his group met with the Governor before coming out, then he and his men jumped another group's claims - we get a better picture of why he wanted to curry favor with Gov. Denver. Then there is the bit about the crossed cottonwood poles - right now in the story it's kind of "so what? He built a structure with some timber." If you add in the point that he created the first "Larimer Square", people can say, "Hey! I KNOW a Larimer Square in downtown Denver!" The added bit about the St. Charles group shows who was really in charge, and why Denver has a Larimer Square and a Larimer Street, and the only reference to St. Charles is a rec. center. Why do we want to stifle history? Stories like this are the main reason I got interested (and still am) in history, and I would bet that others would think the same.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.114.34.9 ( talk) 13:16, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
The St. Charles townsite men had traveled down the South Platte River. One of their leaders, Charles Nichols, decided to turn around and guard their claim. Arriving back at Cherry Creek, he found his claim jumped by Larimer and his men. Nichols confronted them, arguing that the land was platted for the town of St. Charles. He stood his ground boldly but futilely until the Kansas businessmen dangled a noose in his face. Defeated, Nichols agreed to negotiate.
The majority of the settlers in St. Charles had returned to Kansas for the winter and left only a small number of people behind to guard their claim. Larimer and his followers gave the representatives whiskey, promises, and threats and the St. Charles claim was surrendered.
I have added transit lines to the infobox as most large cities display the public transit lines in the infobox (see: Houston, Los Angeles, Philadelphia), it adds only one or two extra lines, and they are important information about the city to an out-of-towner. Dmartin969 ( talk) 07:10, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
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Link 36 goes to http://www.aera.net/Default.aspx?id=8970, a page which no longer exists (it just shows the home page of the AERA). But the earliest archive.org version, from February 18, 2010 ( available here) itself cites Wikipedia for this information. We shouldn't cite a page that cites us. But I can't find any other source for this piece of information. Any help? -- ΨΦorg ( talk) 00:13, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
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but in 2015 for the category of never-married ages 25 to 34, there were 121.4 males for every 100 females. Due to a skewed sex ratio wherein single men outnumber single women, some protologists have nicknamed the city as Menver.
...along with two references [3] [4].
Reasons given in the change log for removal are "non-standard" statistic, "irrelevant", and "included to demean the city". The last two contradict each other, and the last one indicates POV-driven content selection.
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I have reverted the deletion a second time just now. Should the text and references remain? Michaelmalak ( talk) 15:31, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
This is perhaps the most elaborate writeup for a city that does not have its own dedicated page such as Climate of Denver (currently a redirect). I have been meaning to create this page for quite some time but have never gotten around to it. My plan would be to copy the existing climate section verbatim to the new page, and then trim down our existing section somewhat. Then, over time, the new page could grow freely and come to be like existing pages such as Climate of Anchorage. — Soap — 00:53, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
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BasilLeaf, I don't understand placement of a box about Salt Lake City in the "History" section of the Denver article. It looks like a mistake. DonFB ( talk) 02:26, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
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FoamingInDenver regarding the photo change by Vitsuha in the infobox. I thought that the photo of the Colorado State Capitol Building taken from the 16th Street mall was in many way an improvement over the current straight on photo from the front lawn. It puts the building more in context of the cityscape. Is there a caption change that you think would make that photograph work for the article? MatthewFromColfaxLibrary ( talk) 20:12, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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i'd like to put the question, what act should be considered the founding of Denver? it doesn't seem simple
the Founded date in the info box was recently changed from 22 to 17 Nov. 1858; in a sense both dates are valid — my research indicates the 17th is from indirect evidence the date of a committee forming in order to found the Denver City Town Company, while the 22nd is the date of the first entry in that entity's record book, which states on that day a constitution was adopted and the town site was laid out [1] [2]
(this is ignoring the fact that two other towns were already in some sense established, and the Denver City Town Company seems to have usurped one, then later merged with the other)
i note the citation given by Wisconsinsurfer in making the change is not the actual Record Book, but a finding aid whose summary seems to go beyond the actual contents of the book
here are several references which put the date at 22 Nov., though none say "founded":
and here are some which put it at the 17th, two use "founded":
Garbanzito ( talk) 03:32, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
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Re "...making it the highest major city in the United States.[9]" Possible but questionable statement. What is the definition of "major city"? Albuquerque, NM with 557K population (907K metro area) is higher at 5,312 ft. Venqax ( talk) 16:46, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
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IP user 68.114.34.9 has now three times added content which contains direct, multi-sentence quotations from the cited sources; the content is also in a subjective narrative style which i believe is inappropriate ("non-encyclopedic"); the third pass has done some paraphrasing but still quotes several complete sentences without in-text attribution; clearly the content is important to them, but i hesitate to try to open a dialog with an IP user; i'm at the limit of my wixpertise and would rather step back and observe how someone more experienced might handle it; TIA Garbanzito ( talk) 21:43, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
I have attempted to add a few sentences to the early history of Denver, only to have it removed again and again. I think I have gotten it down to a concise bit now, but still it gets pulled. I think it adds something to things that have been said - Larimer's desire to "curry favor" is given more of the backstory - he and his group met with the Governor before coming out, then he and his men jumped another group's claims - we get a better picture of why he wanted to curry favor with Gov. Denver. Then there is the bit about the crossed cottonwood poles - right now in the story it's kind of "so what? He built a structure with some timber." If you add in the point that he created the first "Larimer Square", people can say, "Hey! I KNOW a Larimer Square in downtown Denver!" The added bit about the St. Charles group shows who was really in charge, and why Denver has a Larimer Square and a Larimer Street, and the only reference to St. Charles is a rec. center. Why do we want to stifle history? Stories like this are the main reason I got interested (and still am) in history, and I would bet that others would think the same.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.114.34.9 ( talk) 13:16, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
The St. Charles townsite men had traveled down the South Platte River. One of their leaders, Charles Nichols, decided to turn around and guard their claim. Arriving back at Cherry Creek, he found his claim jumped by Larimer and his men. Nichols confronted them, arguing that the land was platted for the town of St. Charles. He stood his ground boldly but futilely until the Kansas businessmen dangled a noose in his face. Defeated, Nichols agreed to negotiate.
The majority of the settlers in St. Charles had returned to Kansas for the winter and left only a small number of people behind to guard their claim. Larimer and his followers gave the representatives whiskey, promises, and threats and the St. Charles claim was surrendered.
I have added transit lines to the infobox as most large cities display the public transit lines in the infobox (see: Houston, Los Angeles, Philadelphia), it adds only one or two extra lines, and they are important information about the city to an out-of-towner. Dmartin969 ( talk) 07:10, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
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Link 36 goes to http://www.aera.net/Default.aspx?id=8970, a page which no longer exists (it just shows the home page of the AERA). But the earliest archive.org version, from February 18, 2010 ( available here) itself cites Wikipedia for this information. We shouldn't cite a page that cites us. But I can't find any other source for this piece of information. Any help? -- ΨΦorg ( talk) 00:13, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
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but in 2015 for the category of never-married ages 25 to 34, there were 121.4 males for every 100 females. Due to a skewed sex ratio wherein single men outnumber single women, some protologists have nicknamed the city as Menver.
...along with two references [3] [4].
Reasons given in the change log for removal are "non-standard" statistic, "irrelevant", and "included to demean the city". The last two contradict each other, and the last one indicates POV-driven content selection.
Reason to keep is that it is important enough for mainstream reliable sources to write entire articles about it.
I have reverted the deletion a second time just now. Should the text and references remain? Michaelmalak ( talk) 15:31, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
This is perhaps the most elaborate writeup for a city that does not have its own dedicated page such as Climate of Denver (currently a redirect). I have been meaning to create this page for quite some time but have never gotten around to it. My plan would be to copy the existing climate section verbatim to the new page, and then trim down our existing section somewhat. Then, over time, the new page could grow freely and come to be like existing pages such as Climate of Anchorage. — Soap — 00:53, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
South Metro fire 24.229.234.12 ( talk) 18:17, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
BasilLeaf, I don't understand placement of a box about Salt Lake City in the "History" section of the Denver article. It looks like a mistake. DonFB ( talk) 02:26, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
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FoamingInDenver regarding the photo change by Vitsuha in the infobox. I thought that the photo of the Colorado State Capitol Building taken from the 16th Street mall was in many way an improvement over the current straight on photo from the front lawn. It puts the building more in context of the cityscape. Is there a caption change that you think would make that photograph work for the article? MatthewFromColfaxLibrary ( talk) 20:12, 18 May 2024 (UTC)