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I moved this article from "computer storage density" to "memory storage density" because I think it is a more accurate term for the subject. "Data storage density", which is currently a redirect to this article, is also better, in my opinion, so I would have no objection to moving it there. If you feel that the article belongs at "computer storage density", feel free to move it back there. We can have a formal discussion about the name using the Wikipedia:Requested moves process, if necessary. -- Kjkolb ( talk) 20:52, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
The article states: "This sets a fixed lower limit, which is why most modern hard drives bottom out around $100 US retail, and have for many years now". This is no longer true now, with HDD going for <50$ and even less. 94.230.84.33 ( talk) 07:06, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
The average selling price for all drives by some OEM manufacturers recently according to public 10K's has been about $70. Furthermore shouldn't we expect further base cost and therefore price reductions, particularly if the areal density growth rate continues to be low. Given the OEM price of a DVD is less than $10 it is conceivable to expect HDDs to ultimately approach such a price; plus perhaps $5 more for a disk.
The source of the HDD historical price data is not clear but to the extent it is based upon Cost of Hard Drive Storage Space such data are likely not reliable. The reference is a tabulation mainly of advertised retail prices for computer stores in eastern Canada including sales tax and adjusted to US prices. The data are also very lumpy, none in many months and many data points in some months. It has a number of other problems such as mixing bare HDDs and external HDDs. Most disk drives do not reach the end user in this manner so it is not clear that this data series has any relevance to the overall price of HDDs or price/gigabyte trends. HDDs reach the end user thru a variety of channels, but most HDDs are sold initially to OEMs who then resell them, many but not all to an end user. Probably the most relevant prices to examine would be the average OEM price per drive and average OEM price unit capacity; the former has recently been published by OEMs but the latter is generally not available. There is pretty good data in Disk/Trend from about 1978 to 1998 but prior to that most drives were sold by the mainframe manufactures for which list price is available but there is little on the discount (IBM did not ever discount, DEC usually did). An example of a surrogate for OEM data is Farming hard drives: 2 years and $1M later wherein Backblaze a relatively large buyer of HDDs is a reasonable surrogate for the industry OEM price. It is impermissible original research to come up with a meaningful data set on HDD prices. We could do several set of discrete points from reliable sources to get reliable trends; eg IBM list prices for mainframe HDDs from 1957 thru circa 1990; OEM prices from Disk/Trend from 1978 to 1988 and something like Backblase. A lot of work and I don't have time for it now so right now I will leave the statements as dubious. If any editor has other ideas please comment. Tom94022 ( talk) 19:36, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
This article seems to be out of date, in most parts the most recent data is from 2006 or 2007. -- MrBurns ( talk) 21:08, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
This article is all about Areal Density of computer storage media. Unfortunately Areal Density already is an article. I am going to change this article's name to Areal Density (Computer Storage) unless anyone objects. Tom94022 ( talk) 17:25, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
While the article is somewhat out of date, it is fixable, so why not do so? When I get around to it, I will probably fix the HDD price section. In the meantime there is now a lot of useful price information in this talk page above Tom94022 ( talk) 01:07, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Explanations of deletion policy aside, I'm actually surprised this article hasn't been updated. The wiki process normally ensures that pages like this eventually end up as a laundry list of WP:ASOFs that some poor sap has to come trim down every 18 months. -- erachima talk 19:48, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
"Ultra microSDXC UHS-I card Premium Edition"
A 200 GB micro SD card, which is about 1/4 of a square inch, subtracting for the contacts and assuming the electronic components don't go infentisemally close to any edge, that is basically 1 TB per one sqaure inch, though this doesn't consider depth and layering of course. For all intents and purposes, a micro SD card is negligibly thick. B137 ( talk) 04:02, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
As well as updating this page to reflect new information (can't believe that out of date tag has been there so long), I'd like to move this page to "Areal density", as suggested by Tom94022 back in 2013. At that time, it seems that there was another article there, but it seems like it has since been deleted for copyright violation, at the moment there is nothing but a redirect to the unrelated article "Area density". "Areal density" seems a much better description of this page then "Memory storage density", especially as this article has nothing to do with RAM, which is usually what is referred to by the word "memory" in computer literature (See Computer memory). Let me know if anyone has any thoughts about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nren4237 ( talk • contribs) 07:25, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
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I moved this article from "computer storage density" to "memory storage density" because I think it is a more accurate term for the subject. "Data storage density", which is currently a redirect to this article, is also better, in my opinion, so I would have no objection to moving it there. If you feel that the article belongs at "computer storage density", feel free to move it back there. We can have a formal discussion about the name using the Wikipedia:Requested moves process, if necessary. -- Kjkolb ( talk) 20:52, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
The article states: "This sets a fixed lower limit, which is why most modern hard drives bottom out around $100 US retail, and have for many years now". This is no longer true now, with HDD going for <50$ and even less. 94.230.84.33 ( talk) 07:06, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
The average selling price for all drives by some OEM manufacturers recently according to public 10K's has been about $70. Furthermore shouldn't we expect further base cost and therefore price reductions, particularly if the areal density growth rate continues to be low. Given the OEM price of a DVD is less than $10 it is conceivable to expect HDDs to ultimately approach such a price; plus perhaps $5 more for a disk.
The source of the HDD historical price data is not clear but to the extent it is based upon Cost of Hard Drive Storage Space such data are likely not reliable. The reference is a tabulation mainly of advertised retail prices for computer stores in eastern Canada including sales tax and adjusted to US prices. The data are also very lumpy, none in many months and many data points in some months. It has a number of other problems such as mixing bare HDDs and external HDDs. Most disk drives do not reach the end user in this manner so it is not clear that this data series has any relevance to the overall price of HDDs or price/gigabyte trends. HDDs reach the end user thru a variety of channels, but most HDDs are sold initially to OEMs who then resell them, many but not all to an end user. Probably the most relevant prices to examine would be the average OEM price per drive and average OEM price unit capacity; the former has recently been published by OEMs but the latter is generally not available. There is pretty good data in Disk/Trend from about 1978 to 1998 but prior to that most drives were sold by the mainframe manufactures for which list price is available but there is little on the discount (IBM did not ever discount, DEC usually did). An example of a surrogate for OEM data is Farming hard drives: 2 years and $1M later wherein Backblaze a relatively large buyer of HDDs is a reasonable surrogate for the industry OEM price. It is impermissible original research to come up with a meaningful data set on HDD prices. We could do several set of discrete points from reliable sources to get reliable trends; eg IBM list prices for mainframe HDDs from 1957 thru circa 1990; OEM prices from Disk/Trend from 1978 to 1988 and something like Backblase. A lot of work and I don't have time for it now so right now I will leave the statements as dubious. If any editor has other ideas please comment. Tom94022 ( talk) 19:36, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
This article seems to be out of date, in most parts the most recent data is from 2006 or 2007. -- MrBurns ( talk) 21:08, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
This article is all about Areal Density of computer storage media. Unfortunately Areal Density already is an article. I am going to change this article's name to Areal Density (Computer Storage) unless anyone objects. Tom94022 ( talk) 17:25, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
While the article is somewhat out of date, it is fixable, so why not do so? When I get around to it, I will probably fix the HDD price section. In the meantime there is now a lot of useful price information in this talk page above Tom94022 ( talk) 01:07, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Explanations of deletion policy aside, I'm actually surprised this article hasn't been updated. The wiki process normally ensures that pages like this eventually end up as a laundry list of WP:ASOFs that some poor sap has to come trim down every 18 months. -- erachima talk 19:48, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
"Ultra microSDXC UHS-I card Premium Edition"
A 200 GB micro SD card, which is about 1/4 of a square inch, subtracting for the contacts and assuming the electronic components don't go infentisemally close to any edge, that is basically 1 TB per one sqaure inch, though this doesn't consider depth and layering of course. For all intents and purposes, a micro SD card is negligibly thick. B137 ( talk) 04:02, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
As well as updating this page to reflect new information (can't believe that out of date tag has been there so long), I'd like to move this page to "Areal density", as suggested by Tom94022 back in 2013. At that time, it seems that there was another article there, but it seems like it has since been deleted for copyright violation, at the moment there is nothing but a redirect to the unrelated article "Area density". "Areal density" seems a much better description of this page then "Memory storage density", especially as this article has nothing to do with RAM, which is usually what is referred to by the word "memory" in computer literature (See Computer memory). Let me know if anyone has any thoughts about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nren4237 ( talk • contribs) 07:25, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
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