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This reads as a bio from a speaker's catalogue. Not much objectivity here.
Where are the citations for the back and forth between Dennis Ross and Shmuel Rosner? Did this exchange even happen?
I agree. i tried to edit but nothing holds! Aimeeplltr ( talk) 21:24, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
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Obviously this article needs updating to is newest position and commentary on that. And the listing of practically every article he ever wrote is obviously excessive. Best way to trim it down? CarolMooreDC ( talk) 17:19, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Listing these since some may be of use to improving the article.
END LIST CarolMooreDC ( talk) 03:09, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
I can see why this is a controversy because he does engage in diplomatic double talk to make both sides happy, those who don't want it "divided" (like Jerusalem Journal which interpreted his comments to support NO division) - and those who hope that Palestinians will again regain control of the portion they claim. (Of course the third unspoken alternative is some sort of international control, which is unlikely.) Anyway, the point is the current version only summarizes the first of the two paragraphs below and doesn't make clear the emphasis on no division of the second, be it his personal or the alleged US govt position. The quote needs to better reflect both paragraphs. I'll think about how to do it later today, but FYI. From Jerusalem Post, Ross on what Obama said at AIPAC speech:
CarolMooreDC ( talk) 16:15, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Amazon lets you search the book but I couldn't figure out from their description which Aaron Miller reference contained the Ross description you included on Miller's alleged views. You can change ref to <ref>Ross, Dennis, ''Missing Peace'', 135.</ref>
for each reference after the first one which still contain any relevant page number.
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The Truth about Camp David is intended by its author to be a blistering attack against Ross both personally and in terms of what Ross believes. It seems to me to be a highly biased source, and I would not support citing it. The Squicks ( talk) 22:59, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
<backdent>
These are only two refs from Swisher and you haven't said why you think either has to be identified as being from him:
Frankly, I've been procrastinating about researching and upgrading this article, and I think Swisher's various allegations should be looked into. Swisher has some interesting info from page 184 on. I assume most can be verified from other sources. This is important given criticism of Ross in his currently position. CarolMooreDC ( talk) 13:10, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Wise words from Dennis Ross:
"The one overriding lesson from the story of the peace process is that truth-telling is a necessity."
(The Missing Peace: The Inside Story of the Fight for Middle East Peace)
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I've removed the following from the article:
My concern here is that this discussion doesn't really address Ross. Miller states some concerns about American policy, but he doesn't connect those concerns to Ross. Ross is not mentioned in the Washington Post editorial that is sourced. Further, the quote from The Missing Peace addresses Miller's viewpoint, but it doesn't say anything about what Ross believes other than that it doesn't correspond to Miller. We're not really saying anything at all here - does Ross think that Miller is mostly right but there are a few minor caveats or does Ross think that Miller is completely wrong? We don't say. The implication here is that Ross doesn't support a "just and fair" proposal, but without hearing Ross' own words we don't know if that's true - maybe Ross has a different justification of "just and fair" than Miller, maybe he believes that "just and fair" is unworkable. We don't know. GabrielF ( talk) 16:10, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
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This reads as a bio from a speaker's catalogue. Not much objectivity here.
Where are the citations for the back and forth between Dennis Ross and Shmuel Rosner? Did this exchange even happen?
I agree. i tried to edit but nothing holds! Aimeeplltr ( talk) 21:24, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
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Obviously this article needs updating to is newest position and commentary on that. And the listing of practically every article he ever wrote is obviously excessive. Best way to trim it down? CarolMooreDC ( talk) 17:19, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Listing these since some may be of use to improving the article.
END LIST CarolMooreDC ( talk) 03:09, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
I can see why this is a controversy because he does engage in diplomatic double talk to make both sides happy, those who don't want it "divided" (like Jerusalem Journal which interpreted his comments to support NO division) - and those who hope that Palestinians will again regain control of the portion they claim. (Of course the third unspoken alternative is some sort of international control, which is unlikely.) Anyway, the point is the current version only summarizes the first of the two paragraphs below and doesn't make clear the emphasis on no division of the second, be it his personal or the alleged US govt position. The quote needs to better reflect both paragraphs. I'll think about how to do it later today, but FYI. From Jerusalem Post, Ross on what Obama said at AIPAC speech:
CarolMooreDC ( talk) 16:15, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Amazon lets you search the book but I couldn't figure out from their description which Aaron Miller reference contained the Ross description you included on Miller's alleged views. You can change ref to <ref>Ross, Dennis, ''Missing Peace'', 135.</ref>
for each reference after the first one which still contain any relevant page number.
CarolMooreDC (
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15:23, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
The Truth about Camp David is intended by its author to be a blistering attack against Ross both personally and in terms of what Ross believes. It seems to me to be a highly biased source, and I would not support citing it. The Squicks ( talk) 22:59, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
<backdent>
These are only two refs from Swisher and you haven't said why you think either has to be identified as being from him:
Frankly, I've been procrastinating about researching and upgrading this article, and I think Swisher's various allegations should be looked into. Swisher has some interesting info from page 184 on. I assume most can be verified from other sources. This is important given criticism of Ross in his currently position. CarolMooreDC ( talk) 13:10, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Wise words from Dennis Ross:
"The one overriding lesson from the story of the peace process is that truth-telling is a necessity."
(The Missing Peace: The Inside Story of the Fight for Middle East Peace)
Colombo Man (
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11:36, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
I've removed the following from the article:
My concern here is that this discussion doesn't really address Ross. Miller states some concerns about American policy, but he doesn't connect those concerns to Ross. Ross is not mentioned in the Washington Post editorial that is sourced. Further, the quote from The Missing Peace addresses Miller's viewpoint, but it doesn't say anything about what Ross believes other than that it doesn't correspond to Miller. We're not really saying anything at all here - does Ross think that Miller is mostly right but there are a few minor caveats or does Ross think that Miller is completely wrong? We don't say. The implication here is that Ross doesn't support a "just and fair" proposal, but without hearing Ross' own words we don't know if that's true - maybe Ross has a different justification of "just and fair" than Miller, maybe he believes that "just and fair" is unworkable. We don't know. GabrielF ( talk) 16:10, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
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