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Oppose. Ping me if anyone comes up with evidence that the proposed name is the
WP:COMMONNAME in English reliable sources. --
В²C☎ 02:57, 5 April 2019 (UTC)Changed !vote; see below. --
В²C☎22:51, 11 April 2019 (UTC)reply
"Denmark" is an error. The fjord is not named after the country. "Danmark" is the approved name in the Catalogue of Place names in Eastern Greenland by the
Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland, as well as in SAILING DIRECTIONS GREENLAND AND ICELAND Prepared and published by the
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency. The Fjord is named after a ship named
Danmark (expedition ship), not after the country. For the
WP:COMMONNAME see also Dutch, Italian and German Wikipedia articles, where it is
Danmarkfjord and not "Denemarkenfjord",
Danmark Fjord and not "Fiordo di Danimarca",
Danmarkfjord and not "Dänemarkfjord", etc. It is not advisable to perpetuate an error in the English Wikipedia.
Thank you for the consideration. I am not used to haggling, but doing articles on Greenland fjords and glaciers, I realized that the fjord is named after a ship named "Danmark" (
Danmark (1906)), not after Denmark, the country. The purpose of the suggested name change is to put right an error. The common name should be accurate, not misleading.
Xufanc (
talk)
11:32, 5 April 2019 (UTC)reply
I'm not haggling. I'm trying to help you become informed about Wikipedia title decision-making norms. In addition to reading
WP:COMMONNAME and
WP:OFFICIAL, you might want to first take a look at
WP:CORRECT. Anyone proposing title changes or weighing in on title changes needs to be aware of these considerations. Thank you. --
В²C☎16:41, 5 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support
. Seems there are several books written in English (English reliable sources) that refer to this article's subject as "
Danmark Fjord". Found a map page and tried several iterations, and only "
Danmark Fjord" and "Danmark Fjord, Greenland" yielded results. Even the maps in the article don't use the "Denmark" spelling. Couple all that with the nom's Dartmouth Collections source and we find that this is definitely a correctable error that needs fixin'. Paine Ellsworth, ed.
put'r there21:33, 11 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support, per COMMONNAME, base on ngrams
[1]. The proposed spelling is consistently referenced at least an order of magnitude more than the current title is. --
В²C☎22:51, 11 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Off-topic talk about editing tips
To editor
В²C: and now I know why ngrams didn't work for me. When I checked them I got nothing, zip, nada. I forgot to check the "case insensitive" box. You used uppercase, so you didn't have to check the box. Thanks for the usable lesson!Paine Ellsworth, ed.
put'r there17:37, 12 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Yeah, I've been burned by that before. Can make a HUGE difference! And now you just taught me about the label1 option to the to template! So thanks for that! --
В²C☎17:55, 12 April 2019 (UTC)reply
PS. That labeling works great as long as the first character is uppercased, because it automatically capitalizes the first letter. Some editors, e.g., bd2412, like to lowercase their first letter. Finally got around that by using an invisible
soft hyphen as the first character. That way, the "b" in "bd2412" becomes the second character and will then appear lowercased. Paine Ellsworth, ed.
put'r there18:06, 12 April 2019 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this
talk page or in a
move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Greenland, a
WikiProject related to the nation of Greenland. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the
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discussion.GreenlandWikipedia:WikiProject GreenlandTemplate:WikiProject GreenlandGreenland articles
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Arctic on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
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The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Oppose. Ping me if anyone comes up with evidence that the proposed name is the
WP:COMMONNAME in English reliable sources. --
В²C☎ 02:57, 5 April 2019 (UTC)Changed !vote; see below. --
В²C☎22:51, 11 April 2019 (UTC)reply
"Denmark" is an error. The fjord is not named after the country. "Danmark" is the approved name in the Catalogue of Place names in Eastern Greenland by the
Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland, as well as in SAILING DIRECTIONS GREENLAND AND ICELAND Prepared and published by the
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency. The Fjord is named after a ship named
Danmark (expedition ship), not after the country. For the
WP:COMMONNAME see also Dutch, Italian and German Wikipedia articles, where it is
Danmarkfjord and not "Denemarkenfjord",
Danmark Fjord and not "Fiordo di Danimarca",
Danmarkfjord and not "Dänemarkfjord", etc. It is not advisable to perpetuate an error in the English Wikipedia.
Thank you for the consideration. I am not used to haggling, but doing articles on Greenland fjords and glaciers, I realized that the fjord is named after a ship named "Danmark" (
Danmark (1906)), not after Denmark, the country. The purpose of the suggested name change is to put right an error. The common name should be accurate, not misleading.
Xufanc (
talk)
11:32, 5 April 2019 (UTC)reply
I'm not haggling. I'm trying to help you become informed about Wikipedia title decision-making norms. In addition to reading
WP:COMMONNAME and
WP:OFFICIAL, you might want to first take a look at
WP:CORRECT. Anyone proposing title changes or weighing in on title changes needs to be aware of these considerations. Thank you. --
В²C☎16:41, 5 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support
. Seems there are several books written in English (English reliable sources) that refer to this article's subject as "
Danmark Fjord". Found a map page and tried several iterations, and only "
Danmark Fjord" and "Danmark Fjord, Greenland" yielded results. Even the maps in the article don't use the "Denmark" spelling. Couple all that with the nom's Dartmouth Collections source and we find that this is definitely a correctable error that needs fixin'. Paine Ellsworth, ed.
put'r there21:33, 11 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support, per COMMONNAME, base on ngrams
[1]. The proposed spelling is consistently referenced at least an order of magnitude more than the current title is. --
В²C☎22:51, 11 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Off-topic talk about editing tips
To editor
В²C: and now I know why ngrams didn't work for me. When I checked them I got nothing, zip, nada. I forgot to check the "case insensitive" box. You used uppercase, so you didn't have to check the box. Thanks for the usable lesson!Paine Ellsworth, ed.
put'r there17:37, 12 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Yeah, I've been burned by that before. Can make a HUGE difference! And now you just taught me about the label1 option to the to template! So thanks for that! --
В²C☎17:55, 12 April 2019 (UTC)reply
PS. That labeling works great as long as the first character is uppercased, because it automatically capitalizes the first letter. Some editors, e.g., bd2412, like to lowercase their first letter. Finally got around that by using an invisible
soft hyphen as the first character. That way, the "b" in "bd2412" becomes the second character and will then appear lowercased. Paine Ellsworth, ed.
put'r there18:06, 12 April 2019 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this
talk page or in a
move review. No further edits should be made to this section.