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This article says: During the Industrial Revolution, child mortality decreased dramatically. The proportion of children born in London who died before the age of five decreased from 74.5 per thousand in 1730–1749 to 31.8 per thousand in 1810–1829.
This means that the child mortality rate in the early 18th C was 7.45%, and in the early 19th C, it was 3.18%. These figures seem extraordinary low. I don’t have access to the source given, which is a book.
In an article ‘Urbanization and Mortality in Britain, c. 1800-50.’ by Romola J Davenport, in The Economic History Review [1] , it says: “In London infant mortality was around 300–400 deaths per 1,000 births in the mid-eighteenth century, compared with the national average of c. 180 per 1,000.” i.e. in the 18th C infant mortality in London was around 30-40%. This seems more likely than the figure of 7.45% currently given in the article (which is in fact for children up to the age of 5, rather than in the first year of life). The Davenport article also says: “this study finds good evidence for widespread increases in mortality in the second quarter of the nineteenth century” which contradicts the statement in our article: “During the Industrial Revolution, child mortality decreased dramatically”.
Any comments? Sweet6970 ( talk) 12:30, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
Proposing to merge Countries of the United Kingdom by population, no need for such a short article on the population of the different countries of the UK when 1; we already cover it here 2; the two topics overlap massively and the table used on that page can be combined here so the two should be merged - Tweedledumb2 ( talk) 18:33, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
User:Tweedledumb2, what do you mean by "messing up the net change graph"? Also, the article is now way too linked again. See MOSLINK. Tony (talk) 00:20, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Can someone update the population statistics for some of the urban areas to the stats provided by the ONS? Specifically West Midlands seems way too high. Sargon.solo ( talk) 10:13, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
"Migration Watch" is an organization which openly declares on their homepage [1] that they have a political agenda. That's why they cannot be taken as a reliable source (apart from the fact that their homepage is certainly no peer-reviewed academic journal). So, I deleted the text based on their homepage from Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom#Ethnic_demographic_breakdown. The sentence "For the overwhelming majority of its established history, the United Kingdom has been ethnically homogenous society with few minorities." doesn't look like many Scottish or Welsh people would agree. Rsk6400 ( talk) 18:18, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
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This article concerns the demography of the United Kingdom. By default, any figures presented here will be seen as being for the whole UK, and moreover even when figures are explicitly for England and Wales only, their inclusion implies even to readers familar with the composition of the UK that those figures are representative of the UK. We will soon have 2021 census figures available for all the countries of the UK. We can wait until then, and as discussed at Talk:United Kingdom#The UK isn't just England and Wales, not present partial figures. NebY ( talk) 17:03, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
The "Before the Census" section is clearly anglocentric and fails to deal with the other three parts of the UK to any significant degree. 81.154.201.17 ( talk) 18:40, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
There is an incongruity in the labelling of the x-axis in the graph 'Opposite-sex marriage rates in England and Wales over time'. 146.199.14.211 ( talk) 13:51, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
Shouldnt it be called "Demographics of the United Kingdom" instead of "Demography"? I've never seen another page on a countries demographics called "Demographcy of X" instead of "Demographics of X". 108.28.81.224 ( talk) 05:34, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Demography of Belfast which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 02:37, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
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This article says: During the Industrial Revolution, child mortality decreased dramatically. The proportion of children born in London who died before the age of five decreased from 74.5 per thousand in 1730–1749 to 31.8 per thousand in 1810–1829.
This means that the child mortality rate in the early 18th C was 7.45%, and in the early 19th C, it was 3.18%. These figures seem extraordinary low. I don’t have access to the source given, which is a book.
In an article ‘Urbanization and Mortality in Britain, c. 1800-50.’ by Romola J Davenport, in The Economic History Review [1] , it says: “In London infant mortality was around 300–400 deaths per 1,000 births in the mid-eighteenth century, compared with the national average of c. 180 per 1,000.” i.e. in the 18th C infant mortality in London was around 30-40%. This seems more likely than the figure of 7.45% currently given in the article (which is in fact for children up to the age of 5, rather than in the first year of life). The Davenport article also says: “this study finds good evidence for widespread increases in mortality in the second quarter of the nineteenth century” which contradicts the statement in our article: “During the Industrial Revolution, child mortality decreased dramatically”.
Any comments? Sweet6970 ( talk) 12:30, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
Proposing to merge Countries of the United Kingdom by population, no need for such a short article on the population of the different countries of the UK when 1; we already cover it here 2; the two topics overlap massively and the table used on that page can be combined here so the two should be merged - Tweedledumb2 ( talk) 18:33, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
User:Tweedledumb2, what do you mean by "messing up the net change graph"? Also, the article is now way too linked again. See MOSLINK. Tony (talk) 00:20, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Can someone update the population statistics for some of the urban areas to the stats provided by the ONS? Specifically West Midlands seems way too high. Sargon.solo ( talk) 10:13, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
"Migration Watch" is an organization which openly declares on their homepage [1] that they have a political agenda. That's why they cannot be taken as a reliable source (apart from the fact that their homepage is certainly no peer-reviewed academic journal). So, I deleted the text based on their homepage from Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom#Ethnic_demographic_breakdown. The sentence "For the overwhelming majority of its established history, the United Kingdom has been ethnically homogenous society with few minorities." doesn't look like many Scottish or Welsh people would agree. Rsk6400 ( talk) 18:18, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
References
This article concerns the demography of the United Kingdom. By default, any figures presented here will be seen as being for the whole UK, and moreover even when figures are explicitly for England and Wales only, their inclusion implies even to readers familar with the composition of the UK that those figures are representative of the UK. We will soon have 2021 census figures available for all the countries of the UK. We can wait until then, and as discussed at Talk:United Kingdom#The UK isn't just England and Wales, not present partial figures. NebY ( talk) 17:03, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
The "Before the Census" section is clearly anglocentric and fails to deal with the other three parts of the UK to any significant degree. 81.154.201.17 ( talk) 18:40, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
There is an incongruity in the labelling of the x-axis in the graph 'Opposite-sex marriage rates in England and Wales over time'. 146.199.14.211 ( talk) 13:51, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
Shouldnt it be called "Demographics of the United Kingdom" instead of "Demography"? I've never seen another page on a countries demographics called "Demographcy of X" instead of "Demographics of X". 108.28.81.224 ( talk) 05:34, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Demography of Belfast which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 02:37, 1 February 2024 (UTC)