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Hi. It seems to me you have two choices here. Either you a) find a way to work together to finesse the draft worked on in mediation, or you can b) decide to assess consensus on the draft the mediation parties agreed on.
If b) is unsuccessful, you can always go back to a).
In my opinion, a) is better, but the editors here have essentially been unsuccessful in doing method a) for months now. -- Dweller ( talk) 17:33, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm going to list the three raised proposals for consideration to try and gauge the feeling of the community as to the way forward. If I've missed any significant views then feel free to add them as alternative proposals onto the end. To start off I'm only going to mark my preferred choice but it might be helpful to rate each proposal if supporting more than one and also to comment if you have relevant considerations about an option you are supporting. ( edit conflict) I know this was in conflict with Andy's last edit and I would support making this a formal RFC. Stuart.Jamieson ( talk) 18:46, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
per the RFC adopt a footnote worded similar to: "Sources are divided as to whether her birth name is Demetria[4 representative footnotes] or Demi[Stuart's 4 representative footnotes]. Moore says the latter.[2 tweets plus Bang Showbiz]."
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A note about the quote from the gossip website Bang Showbiz: Aside from being an anonymous item that is possibly plagiarized, it also opens up another can of worms, since we also have a quote from her in which she claims it was her father who named her from a magazine ad ("Demi Moore" [press notes biography]. No Small Affair. Columbia Pictures. 1984), and she's also told Vanity Fair, "I don't know if it was the name of a hair product or a makeup." (Collins, Nancy. [August 1991] "Demi's Big Moment." Vanity Fair) -- Tenebrae ( talk) 19:57, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
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per the Mediation adopt a footnote worded similar to: "References say Moore's name at her birth was Demetria Gene Guynes. (c.f. Evans, Cleveland (August 25, 2009). "A Semi 'Demi' Boom Ahead?". Omaha World Herald.) Moore wrote on Twitter, "Demi is the name I was born with!" in May 2009, and "Demetria is a beautiful name. [M]y full name though is actually just Demi!" in June 2009."
per the arguments made during the RFC, adopt no footnote and cite Demi in the lead.
It has been a week and it is clear that Proposal one above has consensus. Lets finalise it and end this whole mess.
"Sources are divided as to whether her birth name is Demetria[4 representative footnotes] or Demi[Stuart's 4 representative footnotes]. Moore says the latter.[2 tweets plus Bang Showbiz]."
Can we have the four representative footnotes for Demetria and Demi. How about Tenebrae chooses four for Demetria and Stuart can list his for Demi. AIRcorn (talk) 01:11, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
I would suggest The New York Times, People, Variety and the Encyclopedia Britannica. If four of each is too much, I'm sure we could do three each if editors want. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 05:07, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
I would suggest The New York Times (biographical Service), Chicago Tribune, Larry Getlen's Demi: the Naked Truth, Leonard Maltin's Movie Encyclopedia - although I'm willing to compromise on alternatives if editors want. Stuart.Jamieson ( talk) 08:31, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Sources are divided as to whether her birth name is Demetria [1] [2] [3] [4] or Demi. [5] [6] [7] [8] Moore says the latter. [9] [10] [11]
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Looking good. Should we impliment it? AIRcorn (talk) 21:48, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
No. This isn't what was proposed at all - this was supposed to go in a footnote. There is no agreement whatsoever to anything else. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 03:22, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Done
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And there was much rejoicing! -- GRuban ( talk) 23:59, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Why is there no mention in this article of her significant relationship with Emilio Estevez? Demi was a big part of his life and the Brat Pack scene, yet none of that is included in this article of her life. Needs to be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.239.59.228 ( talk) 07:40, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
On the BLP noticeboard, Jimbo Wales raises issues with the lead in it's current form: As a means to address those issues, I'd like to propose the following:
Demi Guynes Kutcher ( /dəˈmiː/ də-MEE; born November 11, 1962 as Demi Gene Guynes [1]) [nb 1] known professionally as Demi Moore, is an American actress.
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Or something similar; maintaining a footnote about the name differences between sources but not debating it in the lead. Stuart.Jamieson ( talk) 13:44, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Symbols, and may I reiterate that I enjoy seeing the good, solid work you're doing. Here's the exact passage from Nancy Collins' major feature in Vanity Fair, the issue with the famous nude pregnant cover:
Moore's mother exercised one of her own options even before her daughter was born She left Demi's biological father, hooking up with Dan Guynes. Somewhat reluctantly, Demi explains her genealogy. "My dad is Dan Guynes. He raised me. There is a man who would be considered my biological father who I don't really have a relationship with.
Per my notes paraphrasing the rest: "Moore learned of him at age 13 when she found her parents' marriage certificate, dated February 1963."
So the Vanity Fair article doesn't say she married Dan Guynes right away, but "hooked up" with him. It's not unusual for couples not to marry until after a child is born. Either way, we can't say that Vanity Fair says something it doesn't say, and any deductions on our part would be original research. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 18:12, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Stuart.Jamieson ( talk) 18:28, 22 March 2012 (UTC)day she found her parents' marriage certificate. "I saw my parents were married in February 1963. I was bom in '62.
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The Huffington Post 2009 image and the infobox's Time 100 2010 image are virtually identical and offer no encyclopedic distinction. Two of essentially the same image means one of them is purely decorative and should be removed, especially given the number of images in this article already. As the WP:IMAGE RELEVANCE guideline notes, "Adding multiple images with very similar content is less useful. For example, three formal portraits of a general wearing his military uniform may be excessive; substituting two of the portraits with a map of a battle and a picture of its aftermath may provide more information to readers. You should always be watchful not to overwhelm an article with images by adding more just because you can." Comments? -- Tenebrae ( talk) 19:20, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
I don't see where it says what name was on her birth certificate, or what her name was before she married Mr. Moore. 98.82.6.72 ( talk) 20:37, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Moore was born in Roswell, New Mexico. As a child, she had a difficult and unstable home life. Her parents split up before she was born, with Virginia Guynes leaving Demi's biological father, Charles Harmon, Sr., and marrying Dan Guynes, a newspaper advertising salesman who frequently changed jobs; as a result, the family moved a great many times.
Moore was born in Roswell, New Mexico. As a child, she had a difficult and unstable home life. Before she was born, her parents split up and her mother, Virginia Guynes, married Dan Guynes, a newspaper advertising salesman.
Here's yet another news source that reports her real name as Demetria.
http://ca.omg.yahoo.com/video/omg-25922389/the-real-names-of-hollywood-stars-revealed-29953128.html
But we're not allowed to say that because of a Twitter feed. Wikipedia is such an absurd, laughable website. - Burpelson AFB ✈ 20:32, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Note. Due to the level of undiscussed edits by IPs against the established consensus, the article has been semi-protected so only registered contributors may edit. Can I suggest that if the issue is to be raised again here, everyone wishing to do so first reads the long and tedious debate over the issue before doing so - and ensures that they are familiar with the relevant sections of Wikipedia policy. We aren't going to go through the whole debate again just because of a Yahoo video which mentions Ms Moore's name in passing. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 00:53, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
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Please add the following under her picture, above her birth date:
Born "Demetria Guynes"
source: http://screen.yahoo.com/the-real-names-of-hollywood-stars-revealed-29953129.html
It is already in the redirect from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetria_Guynes
thank you
AyriWynn ( talk) 11:28, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
I see that this has been discussed time and time again, but I was just wondering why the birth name is not included in the article. A source already present in the article shows her saying she was born as Demi Gene Guynes. Why is this not included? Zac 13:59, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
The Motherrr.com citation for Virginia Guynes setting a home on fire, etc. is cited to Motherrr.com, which reprints an article called "Demi Moore and Her Mother - A Difficult Relationship at Best" at monstersandcritics.com. However, when you go to monstersandcritics.com, that article (actually a Moore biography) says at the bottom: "This article is licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License. It uses material from the Wikipedia article about Demi Moore." So the source being used to cite this claim is this Wikipedia article itself! That's circular citing, and we can't do that. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 16:20, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
I might be missing something here, but it sounds as if this is saying Demi's mother, Virginia, was named Virginia Guynes before marrying Dan Guynes.
Moore's parents separated before she was born, with her biological father, Air Force man Charles Harmon, Sr.[18] leaving her mother, Virginia Guynes (née King), after a two-month marriage.[19] When Moore was three months old, her mother married Dan Guynes,
I don't believe the phrase "Virginia Guynes (née King)" is accurate. She would have been Virginia Harmon before the divorce, and not Virginia Guynes until after marrying Dan Guynes. I think this would accurately read "...leaving her mother, Virginia (née King), after...." -- Tenebrae ( talk) 17:07, 29 September 20
This took some digging. First, I removed the Phoenix New Times cite since that was just a letter-to-the-editor from a nondescript person and not an RS. Then I examined the Learnvest link here, which cited BusinessInsider.com as the source here, which said, "All figures are estimates taken from celebritynetworth.com," so I used that original source as the citation. Whew! -- Tenebrae ( talk) 17:40, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Demi Moore's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 19:36, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
See most of Archive 1 and Archive 2 above for the discussion. This horse is dead, flogged and buried since long. Nymf hideliho! 08:30, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
She also attended Redondo Union High School circa 1977, it has been reported. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.21.7.121 ( talk) 23:23, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Does it rhyme with core or with lure? Can somebody add that piece of information? -- 88.70.214.25 ( talk) 09:35, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
It's beyond the realms of probability that someone could have extended Demi to Deme(i)tria if it wasn't true. Jimbo has first hand experience of this. He met Will.i.am who told him that neither his birth certificate nor his driver's licence listed him as "William James Adams, Jr." However, the reality is that
Aged 25, when a passport application resulted in him seeing his full birth certificate for the first time, he found that his real, full name was William James Adams Jr.
87.81.147.76 ( talk) 16:43, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
I think this entire sub-section should be erased. The plaintiffs were obviously not credible, as stated in the body of the writing and in the citations, and both cases were thrown out by the judge many years ago. If anyone really wants to dredge up information about these discredited lawsuits, there are other websites on which you can read about them. But presenting them on Wikipedia with such importance disparages Ms. Moore's reputation. She has been sued several other times in less-publicized lawsuits that are not (and don't need to be) mentioned on here. As a public figure and wealthy individual it's a given that she's been vulnerable to unmerited lawsuits. We don't need to make such a spectacle of this. Iistal ( talk) 20:22, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
There is no evidence that Guynes is or ever was her legal surname; "known professionally as" should be excised from the intro. It should only say Moore because public records [10] [11] and a photostat of a legal document [12] establish that Moore is her real and legal surname, not just a stage name. I don't dispute that Guynes is a past name she has used; I dispute the suggestion that it is her name presently. She has not gone by Guynes since 1980 or earlier. I would maybe suggest the following: Demi Moore (née Guynes; born November 11, 1962) is an American actress ....
I also suggest two other minor changes: (1) That mention of her being a high-school dropout and having posed nude for an adult magazine be excised from the lead; (2) That a brief summary of her marriages be restored to that section (don't know why it was removed; in this instance the subject's personal life is prominent enough to merit mention there, e.g. Angelina Jolie or Elizabeth Taylor). Iistal ( talk) 01:52, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
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In this 1996 article in People magazine http://people.com/archive/cover-story-eye-of-the-tiger-vol-45-no-25/ they do an in-depth interview with Demi Moore, who talks about many personal things in her life. They quote her as saying her mother named her "Demetria". I understand that there has been some prior discussion of her name, but this looks like conclusive proof. Demi is quite open in this article; she talks of her father's suicide, her marriage with Bruce Willis, her young children. It may be time to revisit the decision not to list her full name in this article. Wikipedia has become a leader in trusted references - Google even posts snippets from Wikipedia routinely as their search results, and it is cited as accurate by many other organizations, so we should strive to be as factual as possible, and have an article that states her true birth name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:301:776F:F8E0:C46A:4759:29E4:C6A4 ( talk) 18:08, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
A necessary correction I've tried to make cannot go unreverted because a couple of editors consider it an "uncited claim" [13].
Those infamous photos did NOT come from Oui. She was on the cover only, see eBay description [14]. It's about time someone corrected this.
I'm not sure what publication they were originally printed in, but my last edit includes the photographer's name which should be enough. Leighleey ( talk) 01:28, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
Again: What you added appeared to be based on an eBay description, which is disallowed, and a POV interpretation of Carter after I thought we agreed his reference was vague. And the photographer's name really is completely irrelevant. As for changing the name in the lead, that's generally a big deal even with subjects whose names have not been the subject of debate.
At his point, perhaps you should call for an RfC, since from what I can tell, you're attempting to make your own interpretive conclusions from insufficiently concrete evidence. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 01:29, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
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Demi Moore also starred in the movie "Master Ninja I" 1984 starring Lee Van Cleef and Timothy Van Patten. Jody J. 05-12-2020
https://www.moviefone.com/movie/master-ninja/20008356/main/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:252:D6F:AC80:55F4:3071:C4FF:3152 ( talk) 14:49, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
Source: https://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/bilderserien/unterhaltung/Demi-Moore-ihre-Filme-ihre-Maenner-ihre-Skandale-article23696742.html -- LAZA74 ( talk) 09:09, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
The second paragraph suggests Guynes died in 1980 and again in 1998: "Moore's stepfather Dan Guynes divorced and remarried her mother twice. On October 20, 1980, a year after their second divorce from each other, Guynes died by suicide. [...] Moore and Guynes briefly reconciled shortly before Guynes died of a brain tumor on July 2, 1998." I don't know what's right or how to fix this. Mkilly ( talk) 02:36, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
Why isn't there a section on the 15 year old boy she molested? 2600:8800:138C:4500:258E:FFFC:5EFE:E90C ( talk) 19:46, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
What's good with Demi's photo? lol SpicyMemes123 ( talk) 23:42, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Basic, referenced information reverted by FlightTime: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Demi_Moore&diff=prev&oldid=1165728204
This user leaves posts on my talk page calling the edits "unreferenced" and "controversial" which, obviously, is not true. I ask the user to clarify their statements and get no answer. Was-a-singin ( talk) 02:09, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
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Hi. It seems to me you have two choices here. Either you a) find a way to work together to finesse the draft worked on in mediation, or you can b) decide to assess consensus on the draft the mediation parties agreed on.
If b) is unsuccessful, you can always go back to a).
In my opinion, a) is better, but the editors here have essentially been unsuccessful in doing method a) for months now. -- Dweller ( talk) 17:33, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm going to list the three raised proposals for consideration to try and gauge the feeling of the community as to the way forward. If I've missed any significant views then feel free to add them as alternative proposals onto the end. To start off I'm only going to mark my preferred choice but it might be helpful to rate each proposal if supporting more than one and also to comment if you have relevant considerations about an option you are supporting. ( edit conflict) I know this was in conflict with Andy's last edit and I would support making this a formal RFC. Stuart.Jamieson ( talk) 18:46, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
per the RFC adopt a footnote worded similar to: "Sources are divided as to whether her birth name is Demetria[4 representative footnotes] or Demi[Stuart's 4 representative footnotes]. Moore says the latter.[2 tweets plus Bang Showbiz]."
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A note about the quote from the gossip website Bang Showbiz: Aside from being an anonymous item that is possibly plagiarized, it also opens up another can of worms, since we also have a quote from her in which she claims it was her father who named her from a magazine ad ("Demi Moore" [press notes biography]. No Small Affair. Columbia Pictures. 1984), and she's also told Vanity Fair, "I don't know if it was the name of a hair product or a makeup." (Collins, Nancy. [August 1991] "Demi's Big Moment." Vanity Fair) -- Tenebrae ( talk) 19:57, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
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per the Mediation adopt a footnote worded similar to: "References say Moore's name at her birth was Demetria Gene Guynes. (c.f. Evans, Cleveland (August 25, 2009). "A Semi 'Demi' Boom Ahead?". Omaha World Herald.) Moore wrote on Twitter, "Demi is the name I was born with!" in May 2009, and "Demetria is a beautiful name. [M]y full name though is actually just Demi!" in June 2009."
per the arguments made during the RFC, adopt no footnote and cite Demi in the lead.
It has been a week and it is clear that Proposal one above has consensus. Lets finalise it and end this whole mess.
"Sources are divided as to whether her birth name is Demetria[4 representative footnotes] or Demi[Stuart's 4 representative footnotes]. Moore says the latter.[2 tweets plus Bang Showbiz]."
Can we have the four representative footnotes for Demetria and Demi. How about Tenebrae chooses four for Demetria and Stuart can list his for Demi. AIRcorn (talk) 01:11, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
I would suggest The New York Times, People, Variety and the Encyclopedia Britannica. If four of each is too much, I'm sure we could do three each if editors want. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 05:07, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
I would suggest The New York Times (biographical Service), Chicago Tribune, Larry Getlen's Demi: the Naked Truth, Leonard Maltin's Movie Encyclopedia - although I'm willing to compromise on alternatives if editors want. Stuart.Jamieson ( talk) 08:31, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Sources are divided as to whether her birth name is Demetria [1] [2] [3] [4] or Demi. [5] [6] [7] [8] Moore says the latter. [9] [10] [11]
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Looking good. Should we impliment it? AIRcorn (talk) 21:48, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
No. This isn't what was proposed at all - this was supposed to go in a footnote. There is no agreement whatsoever to anything else. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 03:22, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Done
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And there was much rejoicing! -- GRuban ( talk) 23:59, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Why is there no mention in this article of her significant relationship with Emilio Estevez? Demi was a big part of his life and the Brat Pack scene, yet none of that is included in this article of her life. Needs to be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.239.59.228 ( talk) 07:40, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
On the BLP noticeboard, Jimbo Wales raises issues with the lead in it's current form: As a means to address those issues, I'd like to propose the following:
Demi Guynes Kutcher ( /dəˈmiː/ də-MEE; born November 11, 1962 as Demi Gene Guynes [1]) [nb 1] known professionally as Demi Moore, is an American actress.
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Or something similar; maintaining a footnote about the name differences between sources but not debating it in the lead. Stuart.Jamieson ( talk) 13:44, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Symbols, and may I reiterate that I enjoy seeing the good, solid work you're doing. Here's the exact passage from Nancy Collins' major feature in Vanity Fair, the issue with the famous nude pregnant cover:
Moore's mother exercised one of her own options even before her daughter was born She left Demi's biological father, hooking up with Dan Guynes. Somewhat reluctantly, Demi explains her genealogy. "My dad is Dan Guynes. He raised me. There is a man who would be considered my biological father who I don't really have a relationship with.
Per my notes paraphrasing the rest: "Moore learned of him at age 13 when she found her parents' marriage certificate, dated February 1963."
So the Vanity Fair article doesn't say she married Dan Guynes right away, but "hooked up" with him. It's not unusual for couples not to marry until after a child is born. Either way, we can't say that Vanity Fair says something it doesn't say, and any deductions on our part would be original research. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 18:12, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
Stuart.Jamieson ( talk) 18:28, 22 March 2012 (UTC)day she found her parents' marriage certificate. "I saw my parents were married in February 1963. I was bom in '62.
::I realize that now, which is why I erased this post. -
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The Huffington Post 2009 image and the infobox's Time 100 2010 image are virtually identical and offer no encyclopedic distinction. Two of essentially the same image means one of them is purely decorative and should be removed, especially given the number of images in this article already. As the WP:IMAGE RELEVANCE guideline notes, "Adding multiple images with very similar content is less useful. For example, three formal portraits of a general wearing his military uniform may be excessive; substituting two of the portraits with a map of a battle and a picture of its aftermath may provide more information to readers. You should always be watchful not to overwhelm an article with images by adding more just because you can." Comments? -- Tenebrae ( talk) 19:20, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
I don't see where it says what name was on her birth certificate, or what her name was before she married Mr. Moore. 98.82.6.72 ( talk) 20:37, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Moore was born in Roswell, New Mexico. As a child, she had a difficult and unstable home life. Her parents split up before she was born, with Virginia Guynes leaving Demi's biological father, Charles Harmon, Sr., and marrying Dan Guynes, a newspaper advertising salesman who frequently changed jobs; as a result, the family moved a great many times.
Moore was born in Roswell, New Mexico. As a child, she had a difficult and unstable home life. Before she was born, her parents split up and her mother, Virginia Guynes, married Dan Guynes, a newspaper advertising salesman.
Here's yet another news source that reports her real name as Demetria.
http://ca.omg.yahoo.com/video/omg-25922389/the-real-names-of-hollywood-stars-revealed-29953128.html
But we're not allowed to say that because of a Twitter feed. Wikipedia is such an absurd, laughable website. - Burpelson AFB ✈ 20:32, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Note. Due to the level of undiscussed edits by IPs against the established consensus, the article has been semi-protected so only registered contributors may edit. Can I suggest that if the issue is to be raised again here, everyone wishing to do so first reads the long and tedious debate over the issue before doing so - and ensures that they are familiar with the relevant sections of Wikipedia policy. We aren't going to go through the whole debate again just because of a Yahoo video which mentions Ms Moore's name in passing. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 00:53, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
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Please add the following under her picture, above her birth date:
Born "Demetria Guynes"
source: http://screen.yahoo.com/the-real-names-of-hollywood-stars-revealed-29953129.html
It is already in the redirect from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demetria_Guynes
thank you
AyriWynn ( talk) 11:28, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
I see that this has been discussed time and time again, but I was just wondering why the birth name is not included in the article. A source already present in the article shows her saying she was born as Demi Gene Guynes. Why is this not included? Zac 13:59, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
The Motherrr.com citation for Virginia Guynes setting a home on fire, etc. is cited to Motherrr.com, which reprints an article called "Demi Moore and Her Mother - A Difficult Relationship at Best" at monstersandcritics.com. However, when you go to monstersandcritics.com, that article (actually a Moore biography) says at the bottom: "This article is licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License. It uses material from the Wikipedia article about Demi Moore." So the source being used to cite this claim is this Wikipedia article itself! That's circular citing, and we can't do that. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 16:20, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
I might be missing something here, but it sounds as if this is saying Demi's mother, Virginia, was named Virginia Guynes before marrying Dan Guynes.
Moore's parents separated before she was born, with her biological father, Air Force man Charles Harmon, Sr.[18] leaving her mother, Virginia Guynes (née King), after a two-month marriage.[19] When Moore was three months old, her mother married Dan Guynes,
I don't believe the phrase "Virginia Guynes (née King)" is accurate. She would have been Virginia Harmon before the divorce, and not Virginia Guynes until after marrying Dan Guynes. I think this would accurately read "...leaving her mother, Virginia (née King), after...." -- Tenebrae ( talk) 17:07, 29 September 20
This took some digging. First, I removed the Phoenix New Times cite since that was just a letter-to-the-editor from a nondescript person and not an RS. Then I examined the Learnvest link here, which cited BusinessInsider.com as the source here, which said, "All figures are estimates taken from celebritynetworth.com," so I used that original source as the citation. Whew! -- Tenebrae ( talk) 17:40, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Demi Moore's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "filmref":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 19:36, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
See most of Archive 1 and Archive 2 above for the discussion. This horse is dead, flogged and buried since long. Nymf hideliho! 08:30, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
She also attended Redondo Union High School circa 1977, it has been reported. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.21.7.121 ( talk) 23:23, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Does it rhyme with core or with lure? Can somebody add that piece of information? -- 88.70.214.25 ( talk) 09:35, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
It's beyond the realms of probability that someone could have extended Demi to Deme(i)tria if it wasn't true. Jimbo has first hand experience of this. He met Will.i.am who told him that neither his birth certificate nor his driver's licence listed him as "William James Adams, Jr." However, the reality is that
Aged 25, when a passport application resulted in him seeing his full birth certificate for the first time, he found that his real, full name was William James Adams Jr.
87.81.147.76 ( talk) 16:43, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
I think this entire sub-section should be erased. The plaintiffs were obviously not credible, as stated in the body of the writing and in the citations, and both cases were thrown out by the judge many years ago. If anyone really wants to dredge up information about these discredited lawsuits, there are other websites on which you can read about them. But presenting them on Wikipedia with such importance disparages Ms. Moore's reputation. She has been sued several other times in less-publicized lawsuits that are not (and don't need to be) mentioned on here. As a public figure and wealthy individual it's a given that she's been vulnerable to unmerited lawsuits. We don't need to make such a spectacle of this. Iistal ( talk) 20:22, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
There is no evidence that Guynes is or ever was her legal surname; "known professionally as" should be excised from the intro. It should only say Moore because public records [10] [11] and a photostat of a legal document [12] establish that Moore is her real and legal surname, not just a stage name. I don't dispute that Guynes is a past name she has used; I dispute the suggestion that it is her name presently. She has not gone by Guynes since 1980 or earlier. I would maybe suggest the following: Demi Moore (née Guynes; born November 11, 1962) is an American actress ....
I also suggest two other minor changes: (1) That mention of her being a high-school dropout and having posed nude for an adult magazine be excised from the lead; (2) That a brief summary of her marriages be restored to that section (don't know why it was removed; in this instance the subject's personal life is prominent enough to merit mention there, e.g. Angelina Jolie or Elizabeth Taylor). Iistal ( talk) 01:52, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
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In this 1996 article in People magazine http://people.com/archive/cover-story-eye-of-the-tiger-vol-45-no-25/ they do an in-depth interview with Demi Moore, who talks about many personal things in her life. They quote her as saying her mother named her "Demetria". I understand that there has been some prior discussion of her name, but this looks like conclusive proof. Demi is quite open in this article; she talks of her father's suicide, her marriage with Bruce Willis, her young children. It may be time to revisit the decision not to list her full name in this article. Wikipedia has become a leader in trusted references - Google even posts snippets from Wikipedia routinely as their search results, and it is cited as accurate by many other organizations, so we should strive to be as factual as possible, and have an article that states her true birth name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:301:776F:F8E0:C46A:4759:29E4:C6A4 ( talk) 18:08, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
A necessary correction I've tried to make cannot go unreverted because a couple of editors consider it an "uncited claim" [13].
Those infamous photos did NOT come from Oui. She was on the cover only, see eBay description [14]. It's about time someone corrected this.
I'm not sure what publication they were originally printed in, but my last edit includes the photographer's name which should be enough. Leighleey ( talk) 01:28, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
Again: What you added appeared to be based on an eBay description, which is disallowed, and a POV interpretation of Carter after I thought we agreed his reference was vague. And the photographer's name really is completely irrelevant. As for changing the name in the lead, that's generally a big deal even with subjects whose names have not been the subject of debate.
At his point, perhaps you should call for an RfC, since from what I can tell, you're attempting to make your own interpretive conclusions from insufficiently concrete evidence. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 01:29, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
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Demi Moore also starred in the movie "Master Ninja I" 1984 starring Lee Van Cleef and Timothy Van Patten. Jody J. 05-12-2020
https://www.moviefone.com/movie/master-ninja/20008356/main/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:252:D6F:AC80:55F4:3071:C4FF:3152 ( talk) 14:49, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
Source: https://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/bilderserien/unterhaltung/Demi-Moore-ihre-Filme-ihre-Maenner-ihre-Skandale-article23696742.html -- LAZA74 ( talk) 09:09, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
The second paragraph suggests Guynes died in 1980 and again in 1998: "Moore's stepfather Dan Guynes divorced and remarried her mother twice. On October 20, 1980, a year after their second divorce from each other, Guynes died by suicide. [...] Moore and Guynes briefly reconciled shortly before Guynes died of a brain tumor on July 2, 1998." I don't know what's right or how to fix this. Mkilly ( talk) 02:36, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
Why isn't there a section on the 15 year old boy she molested? 2600:8800:138C:4500:258E:FFFC:5EFE:E90C ( talk) 19:46, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
What's good with Demi's photo? lol SpicyMemes123 ( talk) 23:42, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Basic, referenced information reverted by FlightTime: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Demi_Moore&diff=prev&oldid=1165728204
This user leaves posts on my talk page calling the edits "unreferenced" and "controversial" which, obviously, is not true. I ask the user to clarify their statements and get no answer. Was-a-singin ( talk) 02:09, 17 July 2023 (UTC)