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The article uses the term "major cleric", but doesn't define it, or refer to a definition. Is there a distinct such concept (bishops and up?), or is the article speaking somewhat loosely? Alai 07:46, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC) To answer thw above, there are and always been three ranks in the Church. First the Episcopacy, and from their hands and faith the Prebytery and the Diaconite. All other titles, Archbishop,Metropolitan, Patriarch are in honour only for all ordained are ordained by one and the same Grace of the Holy Spirit.
Um, this seems a little silly, but:
Do you know what the word voluntary means? A priest can voluntarily request laicization for any reason, or even no reason. He could voluntarily request laicization because his toast was burnt this morning. That's the nature of a "voluntary request": something he does when/if he wants to.
The request might or might not be granted for any number of reasons, but this sentence deals with "able to request", not "able to receive". WhatamIdoing ( talk) 20:20, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Situation: A defrocked priest is present at a dying person's bed. In the kitchen, we find unleavened bread, natural wine, and olive oil. The defrocked priest is obviously allowed to hear the confession.
Question: Is he allowed a) to celebrate the Holy Mass in order to confer the Viaticum, b) to confer the Extreme Unction, c) to consecrate the olive oil for Extreme Unction?--
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The result of the proposal was not moved. WP:COMMONNAME is a strong argument below and there is no evidence provided that Lacization is generally used (official sources don't get special privileges). -- rgpk ( comment) 19:28, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Defrocking → Laicization – My reading of WP:POVTITLE is that in order for it to apply, a majority of reliable sources must use the term. This is not true for this article and all official sources use the proper, official term, "laicization". So I suggest that we move this article to match the reality on the ground. Elizium23 ( talk) 21:38, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
A secular priest makes no such vow of obedience to the bishop nor any sort of vow. Secular priests make promises. Only regular priests (and brothers and nuns) make solemn vows, and regular priests make vows of obedience to their superior, who is almost never a bishop. Elizium23 ( talk) 14:17, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
I read three dictionary definitions and none of them specified that defrocking is a removal from public ministry only. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/defrock http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/defrock http://www.thefreedictionary.com/defrock I welcome other sources that might prove that I am wrong. Elizium23 ( talk) 00:46, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
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The article uses the term "major cleric", but doesn't define it, or refer to a definition. Is there a distinct such concept (bishops and up?), or is the article speaking somewhat loosely? Alai 07:46, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC) To answer thw above, there are and always been three ranks in the Church. First the Episcopacy, and from their hands and faith the Prebytery and the Diaconite. All other titles, Archbishop,Metropolitan, Patriarch are in honour only for all ordained are ordained by one and the same Grace of the Holy Spirit.
Um, this seems a little silly, but:
Do you know what the word voluntary means? A priest can voluntarily request laicization for any reason, or even no reason. He could voluntarily request laicization because his toast was burnt this morning. That's the nature of a "voluntary request": something he does when/if he wants to.
The request might or might not be granted for any number of reasons, but this sentence deals with "able to request", not "able to receive". WhatamIdoing ( talk) 20:20, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Situation: A defrocked priest is present at a dying person's bed. In the kitchen, we find unleavened bread, natural wine, and olive oil. The defrocked priest is obviously allowed to hear the confession.
Question: Is he allowed a) to celebrate the Holy Mass in order to confer the Viaticum, b) to confer the Extreme Unction, c) to consecrate the olive oil for Extreme Unction?--
77.4.122.136 (
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12:28, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was not moved. WP:COMMONNAME is a strong argument below and there is no evidence provided that Lacization is generally used (official sources don't get special privileges). -- rgpk ( comment) 19:28, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Defrocking → Laicization – My reading of WP:POVTITLE is that in order for it to apply, a majority of reliable sources must use the term. This is not true for this article and all official sources use the proper, official term, "laicization". So I suggest that we move this article to match the reality on the ground. Elizium23 ( talk) 21:38, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
A secular priest makes no such vow of obedience to the bishop nor any sort of vow. Secular priests make promises. Only regular priests (and brothers and nuns) make solemn vows, and regular priests make vows of obedience to their superior, who is almost never a bishop. Elizium23 ( talk) 14:17, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
I read three dictionary definitions and none of them specified that defrocking is a removal from public ministry only. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/defrock http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/defrock http://www.thefreedictionary.com/defrock I welcome other sources that might prove that I am wrong. Elizium23 ( talk) 00:46, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
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