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At Hradčany castle on May 23, 1618, a number of them took two Imperial governors and a scribe and threw them out of the castle windows; they landed in some manure, and neither of them was severely injured.
"Neither"? There were three of them; do you mean "none"? Marnanel 14:10, May 1, 2004 (UTC)
Actually, there are more mistakes in this page:
At Prague Castle on May 23, 1618, an assembly of Protestants tried two Imperial governors, Wilhelm Graf Slavata (1572 - 1652) and Jaroslav Borzita Graf von Martinicz (1582 - 1649), for violating the Letter of Majesty, found them guilty, and threw them, together with their scribe Fabricius, out of the high castle windows, where they landed on a large pile of manure. They survived."
Compare with....
"They began their rebellion in grand Czech style, with the Second Defenestration of Prague in 1618. In this second defenestration, two vice-regents of the Austrian monarch and some governors of the Czech lands were thrown out of a tower window at Prague Castle. They were not killed, however, as they fell onto a pile of garbage (mostly straw) which had accumulated in the castle moat." Radio Prague, cited at www3.bc.sympatico.ca
How many were really defenestrated that day? Were there governors? More importantly, was there horse shit, or was there none? TheMadBaron 17:47, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
hi all, i've been to prague and have taken photos of (what i think) are the sites of the four defenestrations listed on the wikipedia article. the masaryk one may be a stretch, but the tourism info agent said she thought he'd been thrown into the courtyard from the northeast corner of the building. i have a picture of the building and a (not very good) glimpse into said courtyard.
yeah, so do folks think it's a good idea to include these pictures in the article?
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A picture of of the said window may be found at the Czech Ministry of Foreign Affairs' website - Czech only, but the window is indicated by a small arrow; see:
http://www.mzv.cz/wwwo/mzv/default.asp?id=23286&ido=3931&idj=1&amb=1&prsl=true&pocc1=5
Vanamond
They were thrown from "out of the 3200 ft high windows"? That seems rather high... -- 153.2.246.32 ( talk) 13:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
The word 'Churmusian' is used a few times in the article. Can someone explain what this is? Googling the word 'Churmusian' yields 3 results, which all link to this article and its circulation elsewhere. -- HHermans 17:37, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
So is pushing someone out of a window a Czech tradition or something? Brutannica 23:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I tagged both this article and Jan Žižka as contradicting each other for the following reasons:
So who exactly led the those who threw the town councillors from the windows during the First Defenestrations of Prague? This article currently says it was Jan Želivský while the Jan Žižka article currently says it was him. Or was it the same guy? Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 12:30, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
To say that he was "almost certainly" murdered may be going a little too far, given the statement in the article Jan_Masaryk to the effect that three official investigations (including one carried out after the Velvet Revolution) found that he committed suicide. 86.155.65.123 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC). On the other hand, it was said by the general population at the time: "Jan Masaryk was a very tidy man. He was so tidy that he closed the window after himself when he jumped" — Preceding unsigned comment added by John of Wood Green ( talk • contribs) 11:33, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
The photo of the tower of the second defenstration shows three windows. Which one's the one? AxelBoldt ( talk) 19:21, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
The article says it was the third story window. Hbomberman ( talk) 20:21, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
I doubt if the picture really shows the window from which the second defenestration occured. According to the tourist guidebook which I was using during my visit to Prague few weeks ago, the place of defenestration is marked by the obelisques. There are two of them in that place - one is shown at the photo in the article, but it's located in some distance (about 10 m) from the walls of the castle, so it cannot mark the precise place on which the thrown out people felt. The second one stands just beside the wall (right, perpendicular to the front wall which is shown on the article picture) and under the windows. Here is the photo I have taken: http://i43.tinypic.com/eu1v2c.jpg . I think the second defenestration window is the one on the top floor. You can also see it at the article picture - just left from the top of the obelisque. Of course both windows are located in the same room, just on the different walls, but I think it's important to be precise and correct this information. :) 84.10.226.171 ( talk) 10:10, 24 May 2013 (UTC)BoldSnake
The external link 'Descendants of those defenestrated' is a dead link to an AOL service that has been discontinued. I have not removed it, just noted it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.16.238.209 ( talk) 18:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm unsure from the way the article is written -- what is traditional in Prague? Bribing their way into the palace or throwing catholics out windows? I've been there and never observed either of these acts ;) 138.162.128.53 ( talk) 12:49, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
I’m not at all convinced the current (30 Rock) reference really meets the criteria outlined in Wikipedia:"In_popular_culture"_content, anyone care to argue otherwise? Ewx ( talk) 18:32, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
This article makes several references to the question of which events are "called" or "referred to as" defenestrations. Who is doing the calling or referring-to? Was the name "defenestration" used at the time, or is it a more recent word used now to describe historical events? If the former, who used it (the injured side, the victorious side, or a third party?). If the latter, when was the term introduced and by whom? What are these events commonly called in Czech? mooncow 10:27, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
First there's "killing of seven members of the city council", and then there's "judge, the burgomaster, and some thirteen members of the town council out of the window and into the street, where they were killed by the fall or dispatched by the mob", and that makes 15. Could it be that "seven" should be "several" which is the word used Catholic Encyclopedia reference? Masonmilan ( talk) 12:07, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
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There are several paragraphs in the First and Second Defenestration sections that do not have any citations whatsoever. — howcheng { chat} 06:35, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
I propose that the first and second defenestrations, as two separate events, be split into two separate articles. Dallyripple ( talk) 01:00, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
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At Hradčany castle on May 23, 1618, a number of them took two Imperial governors and a scribe and threw them out of the castle windows; they landed in some manure, and neither of them was severely injured.
"Neither"? There were three of them; do you mean "none"? Marnanel 14:10, May 1, 2004 (UTC)
Actually, there are more mistakes in this page:
At Prague Castle on May 23, 1618, an assembly of Protestants tried two Imperial governors, Wilhelm Graf Slavata (1572 - 1652) and Jaroslav Borzita Graf von Martinicz (1582 - 1649), for violating the Letter of Majesty, found them guilty, and threw them, together with their scribe Fabricius, out of the high castle windows, where they landed on a large pile of manure. They survived."
Compare with....
"They began their rebellion in grand Czech style, with the Second Defenestration of Prague in 1618. In this second defenestration, two vice-regents of the Austrian monarch and some governors of the Czech lands were thrown out of a tower window at Prague Castle. They were not killed, however, as they fell onto a pile of garbage (mostly straw) which had accumulated in the castle moat." Radio Prague, cited at www3.bc.sympatico.ca
How many were really defenestrated that day? Were there governors? More importantly, was there horse shit, or was there none? TheMadBaron 17:47, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
hi all, i've been to prague and have taken photos of (what i think) are the sites of the four defenestrations listed on the wikipedia article. the masaryk one may be a stretch, but the tourism info agent said she thought he'd been thrown into the courtyard from the northeast corner of the building. i have a picture of the building and a (not very good) glimpse into said courtyard.
yeah, so do folks think it's a good idea to include these pictures in the article?
---
A picture of of the said window may be found at the Czech Ministry of Foreign Affairs' website - Czech only, but the window is indicated by a small arrow; see:
http://www.mzv.cz/wwwo/mzv/default.asp?id=23286&ido=3931&idj=1&amb=1&prsl=true&pocc1=5
Vanamond
They were thrown from "out of the 3200 ft high windows"? That seems rather high... -- 153.2.246.32 ( talk) 13:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
The word 'Churmusian' is used a few times in the article. Can someone explain what this is? Googling the word 'Churmusian' yields 3 results, which all link to this article and its circulation elsewhere. -- HHermans 17:37, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
So is pushing someone out of a window a Czech tradition or something? Brutannica 23:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I tagged both this article and Jan Žižka as contradicting each other for the following reasons:
So who exactly led the those who threw the town councillors from the windows during the First Defenestrations of Prague? This article currently says it was Jan Želivský while the Jan Žižka article currently says it was him. Or was it the same guy? Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 12:30, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
To say that he was "almost certainly" murdered may be going a little too far, given the statement in the article Jan_Masaryk to the effect that three official investigations (including one carried out after the Velvet Revolution) found that he committed suicide. 86.155.65.123 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC). On the other hand, it was said by the general population at the time: "Jan Masaryk was a very tidy man. He was so tidy that he closed the window after himself when he jumped" — Preceding unsigned comment added by John of Wood Green ( talk • contribs) 11:33, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
The photo of the tower of the second defenstration shows three windows. Which one's the one? AxelBoldt ( talk) 19:21, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
The article says it was the third story window. Hbomberman ( talk) 20:21, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
I doubt if the picture really shows the window from which the second defenestration occured. According to the tourist guidebook which I was using during my visit to Prague few weeks ago, the place of defenestration is marked by the obelisques. There are two of them in that place - one is shown at the photo in the article, but it's located in some distance (about 10 m) from the walls of the castle, so it cannot mark the precise place on which the thrown out people felt. The second one stands just beside the wall (right, perpendicular to the front wall which is shown on the article picture) and under the windows. Here is the photo I have taken: http://i43.tinypic.com/eu1v2c.jpg . I think the second defenestration window is the one on the top floor. You can also see it at the article picture - just left from the top of the obelisque. Of course both windows are located in the same room, just on the different walls, but I think it's important to be precise and correct this information. :) 84.10.226.171 ( talk) 10:10, 24 May 2013 (UTC)BoldSnake
The external link 'Descendants of those defenestrated' is a dead link to an AOL service that has been discontinued. I have not removed it, just noted it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.16.238.209 ( talk) 18:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm unsure from the way the article is written -- what is traditional in Prague? Bribing their way into the palace or throwing catholics out windows? I've been there and never observed either of these acts ;) 138.162.128.53 ( talk) 12:49, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
I’m not at all convinced the current (30 Rock) reference really meets the criteria outlined in Wikipedia:"In_popular_culture"_content, anyone care to argue otherwise? Ewx ( talk) 18:32, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
This article makes several references to the question of which events are "called" or "referred to as" defenestrations. Who is doing the calling or referring-to? Was the name "defenestration" used at the time, or is it a more recent word used now to describe historical events? If the former, who used it (the injured side, the victorious side, or a third party?). If the latter, when was the term introduced and by whom? What are these events commonly called in Czech? mooncow 10:27, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
First there's "killing of seven members of the city council", and then there's "judge, the burgomaster, and some thirteen members of the town council out of the window and into the street, where they were killed by the fall or dispatched by the mob", and that makes 15. Could it be that "seven" should be "several" which is the word used Catholic Encyclopedia reference? Masonmilan ( talk) 12:07, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
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There are several paragraphs in the First and Second Defenestration sections that do not have any citations whatsoever. — howcheng { chat} 06:35, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
I propose that the first and second defenestrations, as two separate events, be split into two separate articles. Dallyripple ( talk) 01:00, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
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