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By decolonize I would understand people leaving/abandoning the Americas. Would decolonialization not be more appropriate? -- 128.176.76.97 18:21, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't think it is correct to say that Alaska was decolonized by 1799. It was part of Russia, a European power, until 1867, at which time it became part of a country with its capital in the Americas. To anyone who is good with manipulating images: could the color of Alaska be changed? Thanks. Ufwuct 19:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
What about Greenland?, this article lacks of information about Greenlands current status. JC Febraury 26 2007, 8:15 (PST)
New Hampshire declared independence in January 1776, six months before the United States of America was created with the Declaration of Independence. Therefore, New Hampshire, not the United States, was the first post-colonial sovereign country in the Americas.
Editing the article to reflect this... —Preceding unsigned comment added by DougOfDoom ( talk • contribs) 01:27, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
There's a glaring gap in the absence of info on Russian colonization; Russian America and Fort Ross have different "expiry dates" and the lower-latitude extensions of Russian America (1799 and 1821) have yet to be dealt with; the problem in this region is that the colonial histories are intertwined, and it was ]]terrus nullius]] formally from 1818 to 1846 and parts of BC remain so today, in fact....I'll give a Russian section some thought, but still pondering various points about BC....I tried to stay NPOV but the legal facts did ahve to be included here; it's not a foregone conclusion that all BC First Nations will follow the path fo the Nisga'a Lisims government, either.... Skookum1 ( talk) 03:33, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Recently there was some edit-revert action regarding Peru. Some insisted on using the date July 28, 1821, others - December 9, 1824. I support the 1824 date, as per History of Peru and Peruvian War of Independence and the infobox on Peru page - where 1821 is noted as "declared", but 1824 as "consolidated". A quote from Peruvian War of Independence: "...San Martín proclaimed Peruvian independence after reaching Lima the following year. Royalist strongholds remained throughout the country and in Upper Peru, so it was not until four years later that the Spanish Monarchy was definitively defeated at the Battle of Ayacucho" So the 1821-1824 period was the period of the war, and only after that independence was achieved (regardless of Peru declarations earlier or Spain recognition later).
Anyway, please, let's discuss things first here - before changing/reverting/etc. Alinor ( talk) 10:37, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
The name of central america during the colonial times wasn't the viceroyalty of new spain (México), this because it didn't belong to new spain it had it's own goverment and connection to Madrid via Antigua Guatemala (In that moment the capital of Guatemala and the rest of the general captaincy). Central america (Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Costa Rica) and Chiapas in that moment formely part of Guatemala belonged to the "Capitanía General de Guatemala" and it gained it's own independence the 15 of september of 1821. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.197.125.134 ( talk) 19:02, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
A related process took place in Spain's North and Central American territories with the Mexican War of Independence Mexico obtained it's independence In 1810. The Mexican army then entered Central America and helped achieve their independence in 1821 by a coalition uniting under the Mexican Army of Agustín de Iturbide and the Army of the Three Guarantees. Unity was maintained for a short period under the First Mexican Empire, but within a decade the region had also split into various nations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Loerad10 ( talk • contribs) 02:01, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Many in the sovereignist movement in Quebec understood their cause as a part of the international process of decolonisation. I think it should be somehow noted in the Canada section. [ [1]] ThoMiCroN ( talk) 18:02, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
I noticed that the FRENCH part of Saint Martin is mentioned but not the Dutch half. Below is the first sentence of the Wikipedia entry for the Dutch owned part of the island:
Sint Maarten (Dutch pronunciation: [sɪnt ˈmaːrtə(n)]) is a constituent country of the Kingdom of the Netherlands N0w8st8s ( talk) 13:41, 23 January 2015 (UTC)n0w8st8s
The last few days edits contain
WP:OR,
WP:SYNTH andd a definite but strange alternate
WP:POV regarding the US and decolonization. It flies in the face of the sourced info in the article and IMO does not belong there. The person using the IPs is free to post their theories in the many places available to them on the internet but, again, they do not belong here.
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However, through a series of letters written by L'Ouverture, it became clear that he grew open to equal human rights for all that live in Haiti. The letters make clear that, similar to how the United States Constitution was ratified, the enlightenment ideas of equality and representation of the people created an impact of change against the status quo that sparked the revolution. The letters detail the great concerns L'Ouverture felt due to a conservative shift in France's legislature after the revolution in 1797. L'Ouverture's greatest fear was that these conservative values could give ideas to the French Government to bring back slavery. In the letters, L'Ouverture stated that the enlightenment has proven to forever change the way a captive society thinks after L'Ouverture refuses to let the French send him and his people back into slavery. For example, he says: "[W]hen finally the rule of law took the place of anarchy under which the unfortunate colony had too long suffered, what fatality can have led the greatest enemy of its prosperity and our happiness still to dare to threaten us with the return of slavery?" Ultimately, slavery was abolished from French colonies in 1794 and Haiti declared Independence from France in 1804. 2601:84:4601:A2D0:8CE4:CE29:ECFA:1DAB ( talk) 13:32, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
como pt nao dividiu o br?o grao pa e ma separado do estado do br era o que as repartições do sul e norte isso nao explica a unidade imposta artificial forçada e sim a anexação a força pois muitas americas tugas nao queriam o br o rio e mercenarios da marinha inglesa anexaram a força ma pi ba pa etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.64.33.45 ( talk) 11:48, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Given the independence of America gave indepedence to the settler colonists and not the settled, and just led to increased colonialism in the Western part of the continent, can it really be included here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Genabab ( talk • contribs) 09:31, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Can we change the name to "Liberation of the Americas" to highlight the power and autonomy of the peoples of the Americas in their quest for self-determination against European despots? Peoples of the Americas chose to free themselves; Europe did not just let go! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:441:4C80:4EB0:60BE:DFCA:514C:6F27 ( talk) 03:27, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
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By decolonize I would understand people leaving/abandoning the Americas. Would decolonialization not be more appropriate? -- 128.176.76.97 18:21, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't think it is correct to say that Alaska was decolonized by 1799. It was part of Russia, a European power, until 1867, at which time it became part of a country with its capital in the Americas. To anyone who is good with manipulating images: could the color of Alaska be changed? Thanks. Ufwuct 19:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
What about Greenland?, this article lacks of information about Greenlands current status. JC Febraury 26 2007, 8:15 (PST)
New Hampshire declared independence in January 1776, six months before the United States of America was created with the Declaration of Independence. Therefore, New Hampshire, not the United States, was the first post-colonial sovereign country in the Americas.
Editing the article to reflect this... —Preceding unsigned comment added by DougOfDoom ( talk • contribs) 01:27, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
There's a glaring gap in the absence of info on Russian colonization; Russian America and Fort Ross have different "expiry dates" and the lower-latitude extensions of Russian America (1799 and 1821) have yet to be dealt with; the problem in this region is that the colonial histories are intertwined, and it was ]]terrus nullius]] formally from 1818 to 1846 and parts of BC remain so today, in fact....I'll give a Russian section some thought, but still pondering various points about BC....I tried to stay NPOV but the legal facts did ahve to be included here; it's not a foregone conclusion that all BC First Nations will follow the path fo the Nisga'a Lisims government, either.... Skookum1 ( talk) 03:33, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Recently there was some edit-revert action regarding Peru. Some insisted on using the date July 28, 1821, others - December 9, 1824. I support the 1824 date, as per History of Peru and Peruvian War of Independence and the infobox on Peru page - where 1821 is noted as "declared", but 1824 as "consolidated". A quote from Peruvian War of Independence: "...San Martín proclaimed Peruvian independence after reaching Lima the following year. Royalist strongholds remained throughout the country and in Upper Peru, so it was not until four years later that the Spanish Monarchy was definitively defeated at the Battle of Ayacucho" So the 1821-1824 period was the period of the war, and only after that independence was achieved (regardless of Peru declarations earlier or Spain recognition later).
Anyway, please, let's discuss things first here - before changing/reverting/etc. Alinor ( talk) 10:37, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
The name of central america during the colonial times wasn't the viceroyalty of new spain (México), this because it didn't belong to new spain it had it's own goverment and connection to Madrid via Antigua Guatemala (In that moment the capital of Guatemala and the rest of the general captaincy). Central america (Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Costa Rica) and Chiapas in that moment formely part of Guatemala belonged to the "Capitanía General de Guatemala" and it gained it's own independence the 15 of september of 1821. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.197.125.134 ( talk) 19:02, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
A related process took place in Spain's North and Central American territories with the Mexican War of Independence Mexico obtained it's independence In 1810. The Mexican army then entered Central America and helped achieve their independence in 1821 by a coalition uniting under the Mexican Army of Agustín de Iturbide and the Army of the Three Guarantees. Unity was maintained for a short period under the First Mexican Empire, but within a decade the region had also split into various nations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Loerad10 ( talk • contribs) 02:01, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Many in the sovereignist movement in Quebec understood their cause as a part of the international process of decolonisation. I think it should be somehow noted in the Canada section. [ [1]] ThoMiCroN ( talk) 18:02, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
I noticed that the FRENCH part of Saint Martin is mentioned but not the Dutch half. Below is the first sentence of the Wikipedia entry for the Dutch owned part of the island:
Sint Maarten (Dutch pronunciation: [sɪnt ˈmaːrtə(n)]) is a constituent country of the Kingdom of the Netherlands N0w8st8s ( talk) 13:41, 23 January 2015 (UTC)n0w8st8s
The last few days edits contain
WP:OR,
WP:SYNTH andd a definite but strange alternate
WP:POV regarding the US and decolonization. It flies in the face of the sourced info in the article and IMO does not belong there. The person using the IPs is free to post their theories in the many places available to them on the internet but, again, they do not belong here.
MarnetteD|
Talk 02:16, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
This
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However, through a series of letters written by L'Ouverture, it became clear that he grew open to equal human rights for all that live in Haiti. The letters make clear that, similar to how the United States Constitution was ratified, the enlightenment ideas of equality and representation of the people created an impact of change against the status quo that sparked the revolution. The letters detail the great concerns L'Ouverture felt due to a conservative shift in France's legislature after the revolution in 1797. L'Ouverture's greatest fear was that these conservative values could give ideas to the French Government to bring back slavery. In the letters, L'Ouverture stated that the enlightenment has proven to forever change the way a captive society thinks after L'Ouverture refuses to let the French send him and his people back into slavery. For example, he says: "[W]hen finally the rule of law took the place of anarchy under which the unfortunate colony had too long suffered, what fatality can have led the greatest enemy of its prosperity and our happiness still to dare to threaten us with the return of slavery?" Ultimately, slavery was abolished from French colonies in 1794 and Haiti declared Independence from France in 1804. 2601:84:4601:A2D0:8CE4:CE29:ECFA:1DAB ( talk) 13:32, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
como pt nao dividiu o br?o grao pa e ma separado do estado do br era o que as repartições do sul e norte isso nao explica a unidade imposta artificial forçada e sim a anexação a força pois muitas americas tugas nao queriam o br o rio e mercenarios da marinha inglesa anexaram a força ma pi ba pa etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.64.33.45 ( talk) 11:48, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Given the independence of America gave indepedence to the settler colonists and not the settled, and just led to increased colonialism in the Western part of the continent, can it really be included here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Genabab ( talk • contribs) 09:31, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Can we change the name to "Liberation of the Americas" to highlight the power and autonomy of the peoples of the Americas in their quest for self-determination against European despots? Peoples of the Americas chose to free themselves; Europe did not just let go! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:441:4C80:4EB0:60BE:DFCA:514C:6F27 ( talk) 03:27, 29 April 2022 (UTC)