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There's a discussion at WP:Articles for deletion/Toronto blackout (2013) that that article should be merged into this article with that article's subsequent deletion. This article should have a section impact on cities with a subsection for each city and that whole article should turn into the subsection 'Toronto' of this article execpt for the part of the introduction of that article that states that freezing rain added weight to tree branches causing them to fall off with some of them tearing down power lines and that information should instead go into the introduction of this article. Blackbombchu ( talk) 18:27, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
The sentence 'The ice from the freezing rain built up on tree branches and added so much weight to some of them that they fell off and some of them tore down power lines.' belongs in the introduction, not the 'Ontario' subsection. It would be better to mention the total number of people who went without power in the introduction and just the number of people in Toronto who went without power in the Ontario section. Maybe the total number of people who lost power should be mentioned in the introduction and the number of people in Ontario, not Toronto who lost power should be listed in the Ontario subsection. Blackbombchu ( talk) 22:26, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
It is important to distinguish between "customers", which are basically billing addresses, and "residents", who are actual people. On average, every customer represents about 2.5 residents. The 300,000 customers that lost power in Toronto would therefore represent about 750,000 people without power.
May I please request someone to request for assessment of this article in Disaster Management, or even better, do it themselves? It would help the article. Thanks. CanadianDude1 ( talk) 02:29, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
May anyone introduce images of the ice storm on their effects on trees, power lines, etc.? Thanks. CanadianDude1 ( talk) 03:39, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
Since this article mentions Canada and the US, I think we should rename the article to 2013 North American ice storm/2013 Canada and US ice storm, or something like that. CanadianDude1 ( talk) 18:38, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
There were no deaths in Canada related to freezing rain from this storm. There was 6 traffic related deaths in Quebec but none were from freezing rain. Since this article is about the "ice storm" that struck "Central and Eastern Canada" none of the none ice storm related deaths or deaths in the US should be counted in this article unless the article is renamed and restructured. 70.53.73.73 ( talk) 23:46, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
I would suggest moving this article to December 2013 North American ice storm or Mid-December 2013 North American ice storm if the former is not specific enough. My reasoning here is that this ice storm also impacted parts of the United States; it was greatly publicized by the media, and I myself remember it. Dustin talk 22:57, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
This only refers to the northern impacts of the ice storm, but I m almost certain that this same storm system produced an ice storm in the Central United States (by both latitude and longitude, albeit somewhat more on the southern side) in Oklahoma and possibly nearby areas. Some of these places received over 3/4 an inch of ice. Here are some sources:
I think some parts of Kansas and/or Missouri were impacted by this same storm as well, but I could not find as many sources, and the impacts don't appear to have been as significant. I think that this is enough evidence. Dustin talk 19:29, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
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Hi, I'll be reviewing this article's GA nomination. I'll post comments as I read.
Unfortunately, I get the impression that this article would be better suited for a complete rewrite than a GA nomination. Presently it fails multiple GA criterion, including depth of coverage, verifiability, clarity of prose, and proper structure. I haven't made it beyond the first few paragraphs, but it is clear to me that the article requires far more improvements than I'm able to suggest here. Sorry. – Juliancolton | Talk 15:47, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
I think it may be best if we move this article to "December 2013 North American storm complex" and add additional info regarding the severe weather associated with this as well as the snowstorm. Some may be thinking no, but I have seen the article Early Winter 2006 North American storm complex, and it has stated that it had a variety of severe weather with it, including a snowstorm, a crippling ice storm, and a tornado outbreak, very similar to what this system produced. Thoughts? -- MarioProtIV ( talk) 00:22, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
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There's a discussion at WP:Articles for deletion/Toronto blackout (2013) that that article should be merged into this article with that article's subsequent deletion. This article should have a section impact on cities with a subsection for each city and that whole article should turn into the subsection 'Toronto' of this article execpt for the part of the introduction of that article that states that freezing rain added weight to tree branches causing them to fall off with some of them tearing down power lines and that information should instead go into the introduction of this article. Blackbombchu ( talk) 18:27, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
The sentence 'The ice from the freezing rain built up on tree branches and added so much weight to some of them that they fell off and some of them tore down power lines.' belongs in the introduction, not the 'Ontario' subsection. It would be better to mention the total number of people who went without power in the introduction and just the number of people in Toronto who went without power in the Ontario section. Maybe the total number of people who lost power should be mentioned in the introduction and the number of people in Ontario, not Toronto who lost power should be listed in the Ontario subsection. Blackbombchu ( talk) 22:26, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
It is important to distinguish between "customers", which are basically billing addresses, and "residents", who are actual people. On average, every customer represents about 2.5 residents. The 300,000 customers that lost power in Toronto would therefore represent about 750,000 people without power.
May I please request someone to request for assessment of this article in Disaster Management, or even better, do it themselves? It would help the article. Thanks. CanadianDude1 ( talk) 02:29, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
May anyone introduce images of the ice storm on their effects on trees, power lines, etc.? Thanks. CanadianDude1 ( talk) 03:39, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
Since this article mentions Canada and the US, I think we should rename the article to 2013 North American ice storm/2013 Canada and US ice storm, or something like that. CanadianDude1 ( talk) 18:38, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
There were no deaths in Canada related to freezing rain from this storm. There was 6 traffic related deaths in Quebec but none were from freezing rain. Since this article is about the "ice storm" that struck "Central and Eastern Canada" none of the none ice storm related deaths or deaths in the US should be counted in this article unless the article is renamed and restructured. 70.53.73.73 ( talk) 23:46, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
I would suggest moving this article to December 2013 North American ice storm or Mid-December 2013 North American ice storm if the former is not specific enough. My reasoning here is that this ice storm also impacted parts of the United States; it was greatly publicized by the media, and I myself remember it. Dustin talk 22:57, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
This only refers to the northern impacts of the ice storm, but I m almost certain that this same storm system produced an ice storm in the Central United States (by both latitude and longitude, albeit somewhat more on the southern side) in Oklahoma and possibly nearby areas. Some of these places received over 3/4 an inch of ice. Here are some sources:
I think some parts of Kansas and/or Missouri were impacted by this same storm as well, but I could not find as many sources, and the impacts don't appear to have been as significant. I think that this is enough evidence. Dustin talk 19:29, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
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Hi, I'll be reviewing this article's GA nomination. I'll post comments as I read.
Unfortunately, I get the impression that this article would be better suited for a complete rewrite than a GA nomination. Presently it fails multiple GA criterion, including depth of coverage, verifiability, clarity of prose, and proper structure. I haven't made it beyond the first few paragraphs, but it is clear to me that the article requires far more improvements than I'm able to suggest here. Sorry. – Juliancolton | Talk 15:47, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
I think it may be best if we move this article to "December 2013 North American storm complex" and add additional info regarding the severe weather associated with this as well as the snowstorm. Some may be thinking no, but I have seen the article Early Winter 2006 North American storm complex, and it has stated that it had a variety of severe weather with it, including a snowstorm, a crippling ice storm, and a tornado outbreak, very similar to what this system produced. Thoughts? -- MarioProtIV ( talk) 00:22, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
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