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I thought consensus was to keep the previous seven days (at least for seven days into the month) from the past month rather than just wiping it clean each month? I look at Jan 2010 and there's only Jan 2010...what about people who have died before then but it's only been released or found out about after Jan 1st? 78.86.230.62 ( talk) 16:46, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
What's happening with the person dying tomorrow? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.41.160.76 ( talk) 22:58, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Her article currently says she died on the 1st, but the Post reports that she died on the 2nd. Time zone difference? -- zenohockey ( talk) 07:45, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
If any deaths in that country occur this year how will we deal with it? Due to the Ethiopian calendar they are still in the year 2002 so where would the deaths go? -- Weather130 ( talk) 05:54, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't understand why Jean Biden isn't on the list of recent deaths. While she isn't technically notable herself, her death is notable (in the news) and the page Jean Biden links to a relevant section of Joe Biden's page. It might interest people looking for the exact date of her death and cause who might've heard about it in the news.-- 99.29.140.62 ( talk) 19:15, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
If the edit notice at the top of the page somehow unclear? I will amend it if it isn't, but longstanding consensus here is that deaths of notable animals are reported here. If there's any question of notability, it should be addressed at the article, not here. Rodhull andemu 20:08, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Animals are in no way "notable". Theres no way to determine if that dog was actually 20. Also, it was a freaking dog. LifeStroke420 ( talk) 20:20, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Yet another non-notable college basketball player. Can we have this deleted as soon as possible? I've checked his obituary and there is nothing notable about him other than dying. Williamgeorgefraser 15:31, 15 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Williamgeorgefraser ( talk • contribs)
I've been trying to add him to the Jan 14 list, but every time I add him it gets deleted. I'm signed in, but I don't have a lot of history; is that the problem? PParkerT ( talk) 01:05, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Montalban, McGoohan and Updike all died during the first month of last year, not this year. Lkjhgfdsa 0 ( talk) 03:37, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
I just want to inform editors though there is a story of him dying in a recent car accident it is now being strongly denied. The story was incorrect in the article. It was an error. A search of this actor will show that it is being clarified. I just thought I would comment here because an IP had added this to the list with an attached source. It has since been deleted. Thanks, -- CrohnieGal Talk 15:53, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
I deleted him. The reference was false. Arnie Side ( talk) 23:22, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Please demonstrate notability here as the ref gives nothing of notability. Thanks, SqueakBox talk contribs 18:00, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
( edit conflict) *Generally, to survive a CSD, biographical articles need to credibly assert notability. The same criterion applies here, by convention, in that we routinely delete unsourced entries and those who prima facie are unlikely to be notable. However, also by convention, we allow redlinks to persist for up to a month to facilitate the writing of an article- which is the proper venue for determining notability- and if no such article is created, they are deleted. That a reliable source has reported the death, rather than by a death notice, might be an indication of inchoate notability, but it's too early to make that judgement call until a keen enough editor has had time to research an article. In practice, many new articles are created from initially redlinked entries here. That is why I believe we should not be too quick to judge notability, bearing in mind the advice in WP:BEFORE, unless it's obvious. That you've been reverted indicates that other editors disagree with your judgement. Rodhull andemu 21:26, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
If this article is supposed to be only a list of notable dead people, then it should be renamed, maybe Notable people dead in 2010. An article should be in adequation with its title. But currently, according to its title, it's not an article about notable people only, whatever "notable" may mean. So I can see no reason why the following contribution should be deemed irrelevant to this article:
It is estimated that about 56.5 million people will die during 2010 [1].
Grasyop ✉ 19:49, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Let's say it another way: the number I propose to add is a notable piece of information about non necessarily notable people. The number is notable. And relevant, since it is about Deaths in 2010. Grasyop ✉ 21:24, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
What would you think if the article Anatomy was devoted to human anatomy only, the first sentence of the article prescribing it: "the following article is about human anatomy".
You would say: either rename this article Human anatomy, or accept non human anatomy in it.
Same thing here: the title Deaths in 2010 enables general statements such as: "56.5 million people will die during 2010". If you don't want such statements in there, you may want to rename this article as follows: Notable people dead in 2010. It's necessary that the title and the content of this article be in adequation! Grasyop ✉ 03:57, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
You say: "For example, Category:Deaths from cancer only contains people who have a Wikipedia article and verifiably died of cancer. It doesn't say 'In 2010, nearly 8 million people will die of cancer.'"
That's inexact. The first article listed in Category:Deaths from cancer is not a person, it's the article cancer itself. (And this article contains the statistical info in its introduction.)
Moreover, I'm not sure you can compare categories, which have their own namespace, with an article in Main, and whose title doesn't indicate anywhere that it's supposed to be a list, exclusively.
Now, let's have a look at Wikipedia's guideline about list articles. It says:
- "List articles are encyclopedia pages consisting of a lead section followed by a list" (And you can verify in the example given, List of vegetable oils, that the lead section isn't there only to introduce the list, it does have some encyclopedic content.)
So, why refuse an encyclopedic lead section in the article Deaths in 2010?
- "The titles of list articles typically begin with the type of list it is (List of, Index of, etc.), followed by the article's subject, for example: List of vegetable oils."
So, according to this guideline, the title of our list article should be: List of deaths in 2010. Grasyop ✉ 09:55, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Can't really see the point of the discussion. 50 million of the people in question haven't even died yet. Can the contributor give us the names of the 6 million or so others who HAVE died? Williamgeorgefraser 10:53, 7 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Williamgeorgefraser ( talk • contribs)
A minority of entries read:
Don't see the need for (nationality) (occupation) (nationality). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.81.49 ( talk) 21:16, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:::... or just leave it as is, given that almost all readers seem to understand the difference by not raising it as an issue.
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Helen Talbot was a fairly significant actress and pinup girl from the 1940s. You may want to keep her on the list a few days (she was deleted after only 8 hours) to give someone a chance to create her article. BurienBomber ( talk) 07:05, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
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I thought consensus was to keep the previous seven days (at least for seven days into the month) from the past month rather than just wiping it clean each month? I look at Jan 2010 and there's only Jan 2010...what about people who have died before then but it's only been released or found out about after Jan 1st? 78.86.230.62 ( talk) 16:46, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
What's happening with the person dying tomorrow? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.41.160.76 ( talk) 22:58, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Her article currently says she died on the 1st, but the Post reports that she died on the 2nd. Time zone difference? -- zenohockey ( talk) 07:45, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
If any deaths in that country occur this year how will we deal with it? Due to the Ethiopian calendar they are still in the year 2002 so where would the deaths go? -- Weather130 ( talk) 05:54, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't understand why Jean Biden isn't on the list of recent deaths. While she isn't technically notable herself, her death is notable (in the news) and the page Jean Biden links to a relevant section of Joe Biden's page. It might interest people looking for the exact date of her death and cause who might've heard about it in the news.-- 99.29.140.62 ( talk) 19:15, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
If the edit notice at the top of the page somehow unclear? I will amend it if it isn't, but longstanding consensus here is that deaths of notable animals are reported here. If there's any question of notability, it should be addressed at the article, not here. Rodhull andemu 20:08, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Animals are in no way "notable". Theres no way to determine if that dog was actually 20. Also, it was a freaking dog. LifeStroke420 ( talk) 20:20, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Yet another non-notable college basketball player. Can we have this deleted as soon as possible? I've checked his obituary and there is nothing notable about him other than dying. Williamgeorgefraser 15:31, 15 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Williamgeorgefraser ( talk • contribs)
I've been trying to add him to the Jan 14 list, but every time I add him it gets deleted. I'm signed in, but I don't have a lot of history; is that the problem? PParkerT ( talk) 01:05, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Montalban, McGoohan and Updike all died during the first month of last year, not this year. Lkjhgfdsa 0 ( talk) 03:37, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
I just want to inform editors though there is a story of him dying in a recent car accident it is now being strongly denied. The story was incorrect in the article. It was an error. A search of this actor will show that it is being clarified. I just thought I would comment here because an IP had added this to the list with an attached source. It has since been deleted. Thanks, -- CrohnieGal Talk 15:53, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
I deleted him. The reference was false. Arnie Side ( talk) 23:22, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Please demonstrate notability here as the ref gives nothing of notability. Thanks, SqueakBox talk contribs 18:00, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
( edit conflict) *Generally, to survive a CSD, biographical articles need to credibly assert notability. The same criterion applies here, by convention, in that we routinely delete unsourced entries and those who prima facie are unlikely to be notable. However, also by convention, we allow redlinks to persist for up to a month to facilitate the writing of an article- which is the proper venue for determining notability- and if no such article is created, they are deleted. That a reliable source has reported the death, rather than by a death notice, might be an indication of inchoate notability, but it's too early to make that judgement call until a keen enough editor has had time to research an article. In practice, many new articles are created from initially redlinked entries here. That is why I believe we should not be too quick to judge notability, bearing in mind the advice in WP:BEFORE, unless it's obvious. That you've been reverted indicates that other editors disagree with your judgement. Rodhull andemu 21:26, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
If this article is supposed to be only a list of notable dead people, then it should be renamed, maybe Notable people dead in 2010. An article should be in adequation with its title. But currently, according to its title, it's not an article about notable people only, whatever "notable" may mean. So I can see no reason why the following contribution should be deemed irrelevant to this article:
It is estimated that about 56.5 million people will die during 2010 [1].
Grasyop ✉ 19:49, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Let's say it another way: the number I propose to add is a notable piece of information about non necessarily notable people. The number is notable. And relevant, since it is about Deaths in 2010. Grasyop ✉ 21:24, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
What would you think if the article Anatomy was devoted to human anatomy only, the first sentence of the article prescribing it: "the following article is about human anatomy".
You would say: either rename this article Human anatomy, or accept non human anatomy in it.
Same thing here: the title Deaths in 2010 enables general statements such as: "56.5 million people will die during 2010". If you don't want such statements in there, you may want to rename this article as follows: Notable people dead in 2010. It's necessary that the title and the content of this article be in adequation! Grasyop ✉ 03:57, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
You say: "For example, Category:Deaths from cancer only contains people who have a Wikipedia article and verifiably died of cancer. It doesn't say 'In 2010, nearly 8 million people will die of cancer.'"
That's inexact. The first article listed in Category:Deaths from cancer is not a person, it's the article cancer itself. (And this article contains the statistical info in its introduction.)
Moreover, I'm not sure you can compare categories, which have their own namespace, with an article in Main, and whose title doesn't indicate anywhere that it's supposed to be a list, exclusively.
Now, let's have a look at Wikipedia's guideline about list articles. It says:
- "List articles are encyclopedia pages consisting of a lead section followed by a list" (And you can verify in the example given, List of vegetable oils, that the lead section isn't there only to introduce the list, it does have some encyclopedic content.)
So, why refuse an encyclopedic lead section in the article Deaths in 2010?
- "The titles of list articles typically begin with the type of list it is (List of, Index of, etc.), followed by the article's subject, for example: List of vegetable oils."
So, according to this guideline, the title of our list article should be: List of deaths in 2010. Grasyop ✉ 09:55, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Can't really see the point of the discussion. 50 million of the people in question haven't even died yet. Can the contributor give us the names of the 6 million or so others who HAVE died? Williamgeorgefraser 10:53, 7 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Williamgeorgefraser ( talk • contribs)
A minority of entries read:
Don't see the need for (nationality) (occupation) (nationality). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.81.49 ( talk) 21:16, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:::... or just leave it as is, given that almost all readers seem to understand the difference by not raising it as an issue.
WWGB (
talk) 23:59, 31 January 2010 (UTC) Striking my snappy comment, not very friendly! Regards,
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Helen Talbot was a fairly significant actress and pinup girl from the 1940s. You may want to keep her on the list a few days (she was deleted after only 8 hours) to give someone a chance to create her article. BurienBomber ( talk) 07:05, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
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