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While I realize that Hong Kong is part of China, should we list him as Chinese or not. Most of his life and career seems to have been in Hong Kong, and in the past we have used Hong Kong in the listing, on occasions. Most or all of the sources only mention Hong Kong, as does his article. Editrite! ( talk) 00:04, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
Surely 34 years as a cabinet minister are more important than three as a provincial governor?-- 12.144.5.2 ( talk) 13:54, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
Why does Cavallo's cause of death keep getting deleted? It's cited in the Sun Sentinel article I initially linked. Rusted AutoParts 00:51, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
In case I missed it, where exactly is he mentioned in the Band of Brothers book and mini series articles? Editrite! ( talk) 08:27, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Is Denise D'Ascenzo "viable" for a red link? See 2019 deaths in American television for her December 7th entry. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 15:52, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
The link to James "Radio" Kennedy is a redirect to the article about the film,which does not say that he himself coached football,only that there was a football coach who took an interest in helping him.The linked source obit basically says he hung around the football practices and mimicked the coaches.Is it fair to say that he WAS a coach?-- 12.144.5.2 ( talk) 20:45, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
"Fan" will suffice. Editrite! ( talk) 23:39, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
Under December the 9 there is a racehorse. Should horses and other (non human) animals really be on this list? Ahlabonde ( talk) 09:42, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
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The entry for Jud Phillips incorrectly states that he was the founder of Judd Records, causing confusion about his age. In actuality his father, also Jud Phillips, was the brother of Sam Phillips and the founder of Judd Records. 199.90.35.11 ( talk) 19:48, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Clearly, the reason for the confusion with the two Jud Phillips is that they were both 71 when they died. Coincidentally, they both died of cancer. Editrite! ( talk) 09:06, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
I see Roy Johnston has been added to this page. Are death notices acceptable, particularly as there is no evidence the person referred to is the subject of our article? Discussion also at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Roy Johnston regarding this. FDW777 ( talk) 22:22, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Since there is no mention of family in his article (Roy H.W. Johnston), apart from his father, this source info tallies with that in the obituary source. Editrite! ( talk) 01:08, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
First, Scot Kleinendorst. It seems his cause of death has been in much contention. I, for one, am in favor of keeping it at "workplace accident". This is apparently seen as too vague and "misleading". It's meant to be vague for the same reasons suicide, shot, car crash, etc are vague. It's also not misleading, the reader can assume what they want, but the reference clearly states the type of workplace accident incurred. Also, "fall from crane" is too specific and actually misleading. He survived the fall, the injuries killed him. So, in this case his manner of death should be "injuries sustained from fall from crane" and I think we can all agree it's way too specific and my reasoning behind "workplace accident" as the best alternative.
Now for Bronco Horvath. The FAQ states nowhere that Twitter is simply disallowed as a source. The Bruins Alumni is a reliable source, how they communicate information is up to them. The tweet would act as a statement from the Bruins Alumni organization. For example, if the only source we had for a death was from the official social media account of the person in question, would this be disallowed? Nanerz ( talk) 23:14, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
The source headline says "workplace accident", so what's the problem? "Traffic collision" isn't specific and neither is "shot" nor "suicide" and so on. Consistency is key. Editrite! ( talk) 11:05, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
That's the way the deaths page has operated, at least since I've been associated with it, rightly or wrongly. If you want more information, that's what the linked article is for, to find more detail. In the case of Erica Tishman, she doesn't have an article yet apparently, so unless one is created soon, it will be deleted after thirty days, anyway. Although it's likely that she died from a "head injury", we don't know for sure just yet, so I think "hit by falling debris" would be more appropriate, at least for the time being. "Head injury" also doesn't tell you how it was incurred. Editrite! ( talk) 20:57, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
In regards to Rashied Staggie's age:
I saw that the listing said he was 63. Where did that come from? There are some sources that say he was 58. source #1 source #2 source #3 Then there's a source that says 56. source #4 I'm tempted to go with an age of 58, since that's the age that keeps repeating, but I wanted to get feedback first. Snickers2686 ( talk) 16:07, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
Pressreader.com is the only source that I could find which says he was 63. Most of the sources, as you have found say 58 which seems a safe bet on the sheer weight of numbers. However, he had a twin brother Rashaad who died in 1996. If you could find out his age when he died, and add 23 that would confirm it (or otherwise) i.e. if he was 35 at the time. By the way, his article says he was born in 1961, which would probably make him 58 (unless he was born in the last 18 days of the year, which is unlikely). Editrite! ( talk) 01:27, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
There certainly seems to be an edit war going on about the cause of death of Ibrahim Diarra.I gather multiple sources in multiple languages are saying different things that are interpreted differently by different people while which particular source is linked has changed?...anyway,why isn't it being talked out here rather than edit-warred?-- 12.144.5.2 ( talk) 18:00, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
To be clear, when I said "claims", that included sources. "Our duties are . . . to make sure the truth be told" is why I recommended waiting for more info to come through to clarify the actual cause. Unfortunately, at least one editor sees it differently, re "Cue Alzheimer's isn't a killer" above, and I quote "we publish based on verifiability, not truth". Editrite! ( talk) 23:55, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
Why was the original "Rich Rundles" talk entry entirely removed?
Just curious? 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D ( talk) 23:53, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
What is a "Brazilianist"?
My online research shows only one obit that uses that term --- and only in the article's title.
From what the article says, Stein was not an expert on Brazil, but was learning all he could about the country by reading and taking classes/courses.
From the other articles in my research, Stein wrote mostly about Latin America and Iberia and was considered an expert in those areas --- especially their history (just not exclusively Brazil).
For the entry, I suggest (after his age) -- "American writer of Latin America and Iberia histories."
Thoughts? 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D ( talk) 05:15, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
"Football player" in the text implies a player of gridiron football,though those who both played and managed other kinds such as association football have at times been identified as such generally with the kind linked if necessary...but Graham Cooper played Australian rules football and Connie Hartnett Gaelic football in countries that also compete internationally in association football...Cooper even has his bio link specify that sport...their obits should link to their sports as well.And aren't their players all "footballers"?-- 12.144.5.2 ( talk) 14:05, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
She was not a politician, only the First Lady, which can hardly be considered a politician. And she was not the First Lady of Moldova. Moldova is a province within Romania. She was the First Lady of the Republic of Moldavia. Once, these 2 were one state/province, but not anymore, they are distinct now. -- Sfântul ( talk) 17:16, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
I assume that Tessa Majors can be added in, for December 11 ... correct? I believe, at some point, we had the consensus that "piped links" were acceptable, if the deceased individual was directly named in the article title. Yes? Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 06:56, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
I did try saying, above, either use an existing redirect in preference to piping, or consider creating one (I regularly do that). Ref (chew) (do) 23:00, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
He was married to and divorced from a princess.He never had a royal title.At different times he has been described as a former royal,his relationship not mentioned,and now most recently as a royal.I don't think his children by the princess,though in the line of succession,have titles.I think that if his royal links are mentioned,even though they are what made him famous,it should be made clear that he was (and ceased to be) an in-law,not blood.-- 12.144.5.2 ( talk) 08:30, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
@ 12.144.5.2: By direct blood relation; by marriage; even by adoption. Being part of a royal family is no different to being a part of any other family, in the eyes of the laws of most lands. Titles mean nothing, as in the case of the Queen's blood relative already given as an example - her grandaughter Zara Phillips (daughter of the Queen's daughter Princess Anne, herself still 13th in line to the throne). She has no title of any kind, yet is a firm part of the British royal family and always will be. Royal family and "royal house", as just mentioned, are two different things, and there is no claim here that Ari Behn is or was part of the royal house of that country. Ref (chew) (do) 14:37, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
The idea of "not inherited" has disqualified many mothers, brothers and widows from a mention of their famous flock lately. If a royal family is indeed just a family, an ex-husband is no different in having to rest on his own laurels. Then again, Christmas is an arguably special time of year for familiar exceptions. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:49, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
@ 2003:DA:CF15:F482:3151:67B7:F9E3:836F: Exactly what do that bunch of words put together mean? It's cryptic, and for some reason I can't figure out what you are saying. Ref (chew) (do) 04:22, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
I see another edit war here over whether she should be described as merely "Canadian".It appears that she performed Inuit music and largely in the Inuit language and was nominated for awards for that genre of music...the reference is not just to her ethnicity(which may not be pure as she shares a surname with the Frasers of Saltoun and Lovat).Is it that different from calling some UK people "Scottish" etc?-- 12.144.5.2 ( talk) 04:28, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
Thats what makes her Inuit. So too long story short- Canadian Inuit is how she should be listed...Country and Autonomous region which in this case is her tribe. Sunnydoo ( talk) 05:30, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
I see that an editor is calling Jack Garfein "Ukrainian born". The problem is that when he was born (which is all we should be interested in), it was in Czechoslovakia. Although it's part of the Ukraine now, you can't rewrite history. I'm sure that he wouldn't be too impressed to know, if he was still alive, that he wasn't really born in Czechoslovakia at all! Editrite! ( talk) 01:25, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
Where exactly is Elisabeth Sifton mentioned in the redirect articles? Editrite! ( talk) 23:48, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
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While I realize that Hong Kong is part of China, should we list him as Chinese or not. Most of his life and career seems to have been in Hong Kong, and in the past we have used Hong Kong in the listing, on occasions. Most or all of the sources only mention Hong Kong, as does his article. Editrite! ( talk) 00:04, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
Surely 34 years as a cabinet minister are more important than three as a provincial governor?-- 12.144.5.2 ( talk) 13:54, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
Why does Cavallo's cause of death keep getting deleted? It's cited in the Sun Sentinel article I initially linked. Rusted AutoParts 00:51, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
In case I missed it, where exactly is he mentioned in the Band of Brothers book and mini series articles? Editrite! ( talk) 08:27, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Is Denise D'Ascenzo "viable" for a red link? See 2019 deaths in American television for her December 7th entry. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 15:52, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
The link to James "Radio" Kennedy is a redirect to the article about the film,which does not say that he himself coached football,only that there was a football coach who took an interest in helping him.The linked source obit basically says he hung around the football practices and mimicked the coaches.Is it fair to say that he WAS a coach?-- 12.144.5.2 ( talk) 20:45, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
"Fan" will suffice. Editrite! ( talk) 23:39, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
Under December the 9 there is a racehorse. Should horses and other (non human) animals really be on this list? Ahlabonde ( talk) 09:42, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
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The entry for Jud Phillips incorrectly states that he was the founder of Judd Records, causing confusion about his age. In actuality his father, also Jud Phillips, was the brother of Sam Phillips and the founder of Judd Records. 199.90.35.11 ( talk) 19:48, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Clearly, the reason for the confusion with the two Jud Phillips is that they were both 71 when they died. Coincidentally, they both died of cancer. Editrite! ( talk) 09:06, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
I see Roy Johnston has been added to this page. Are death notices acceptable, particularly as there is no evidence the person referred to is the subject of our article? Discussion also at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Roy Johnston regarding this. FDW777 ( talk) 22:22, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Since there is no mention of family in his article (Roy H.W. Johnston), apart from his father, this source info tallies with that in the obituary source. Editrite! ( talk) 01:08, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
First, Scot Kleinendorst. It seems his cause of death has been in much contention. I, for one, am in favor of keeping it at "workplace accident". This is apparently seen as too vague and "misleading". It's meant to be vague for the same reasons suicide, shot, car crash, etc are vague. It's also not misleading, the reader can assume what they want, but the reference clearly states the type of workplace accident incurred. Also, "fall from crane" is too specific and actually misleading. He survived the fall, the injuries killed him. So, in this case his manner of death should be "injuries sustained from fall from crane" and I think we can all agree it's way too specific and my reasoning behind "workplace accident" as the best alternative.
Now for Bronco Horvath. The FAQ states nowhere that Twitter is simply disallowed as a source. The Bruins Alumni is a reliable source, how they communicate information is up to them. The tweet would act as a statement from the Bruins Alumni organization. For example, if the only source we had for a death was from the official social media account of the person in question, would this be disallowed? Nanerz ( talk) 23:14, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
The source headline says "workplace accident", so what's the problem? "Traffic collision" isn't specific and neither is "shot" nor "suicide" and so on. Consistency is key. Editrite! ( talk) 11:05, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
That's the way the deaths page has operated, at least since I've been associated with it, rightly or wrongly. If you want more information, that's what the linked article is for, to find more detail. In the case of Erica Tishman, she doesn't have an article yet apparently, so unless one is created soon, it will be deleted after thirty days, anyway. Although it's likely that she died from a "head injury", we don't know for sure just yet, so I think "hit by falling debris" would be more appropriate, at least for the time being. "Head injury" also doesn't tell you how it was incurred. Editrite! ( talk) 20:57, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
In regards to Rashied Staggie's age:
I saw that the listing said he was 63. Where did that come from? There are some sources that say he was 58. source #1 source #2 source #3 Then there's a source that says 56. source #4 I'm tempted to go with an age of 58, since that's the age that keeps repeating, but I wanted to get feedback first. Snickers2686 ( talk) 16:07, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
Pressreader.com is the only source that I could find which says he was 63. Most of the sources, as you have found say 58 which seems a safe bet on the sheer weight of numbers. However, he had a twin brother Rashaad who died in 1996. If you could find out his age when he died, and add 23 that would confirm it (or otherwise) i.e. if he was 35 at the time. By the way, his article says he was born in 1961, which would probably make him 58 (unless he was born in the last 18 days of the year, which is unlikely). Editrite! ( talk) 01:27, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
There certainly seems to be an edit war going on about the cause of death of Ibrahim Diarra.I gather multiple sources in multiple languages are saying different things that are interpreted differently by different people while which particular source is linked has changed?...anyway,why isn't it being talked out here rather than edit-warred?-- 12.144.5.2 ( talk) 18:00, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
To be clear, when I said "claims", that included sources. "Our duties are . . . to make sure the truth be told" is why I recommended waiting for more info to come through to clarify the actual cause. Unfortunately, at least one editor sees it differently, re "Cue Alzheimer's isn't a killer" above, and I quote "we publish based on verifiability, not truth". Editrite! ( talk) 23:55, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
Why was the original "Rich Rundles" talk entry entirely removed?
Just curious? 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D ( talk) 23:53, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
What is a "Brazilianist"?
My online research shows only one obit that uses that term --- and only in the article's title.
From what the article says, Stein was not an expert on Brazil, but was learning all he could about the country by reading and taking classes/courses.
From the other articles in my research, Stein wrote mostly about Latin America and Iberia and was considered an expert in those areas --- especially their history (just not exclusively Brazil).
For the entry, I suggest (after his age) -- "American writer of Latin America and Iberia histories."
Thoughts? 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D ( talk) 05:15, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
"Football player" in the text implies a player of gridiron football,though those who both played and managed other kinds such as association football have at times been identified as such generally with the kind linked if necessary...but Graham Cooper played Australian rules football and Connie Hartnett Gaelic football in countries that also compete internationally in association football...Cooper even has his bio link specify that sport...their obits should link to their sports as well.And aren't their players all "footballers"?-- 12.144.5.2 ( talk) 14:05, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
She was not a politician, only the First Lady, which can hardly be considered a politician. And she was not the First Lady of Moldova. Moldova is a province within Romania. She was the First Lady of the Republic of Moldavia. Once, these 2 were one state/province, but not anymore, they are distinct now. -- Sfântul ( talk) 17:16, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
I assume that Tessa Majors can be added in, for December 11 ... correct? I believe, at some point, we had the consensus that "piped links" were acceptable, if the deceased individual was directly named in the article title. Yes? Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 06:56, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
I did try saying, above, either use an existing redirect in preference to piping, or consider creating one (I regularly do that). Ref (chew) (do) 23:00, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
He was married to and divorced from a princess.He never had a royal title.At different times he has been described as a former royal,his relationship not mentioned,and now most recently as a royal.I don't think his children by the princess,though in the line of succession,have titles.I think that if his royal links are mentioned,even though they are what made him famous,it should be made clear that he was (and ceased to be) an in-law,not blood.-- 12.144.5.2 ( talk) 08:30, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
@ 12.144.5.2: By direct blood relation; by marriage; even by adoption. Being part of a royal family is no different to being a part of any other family, in the eyes of the laws of most lands. Titles mean nothing, as in the case of the Queen's blood relative already given as an example - her grandaughter Zara Phillips (daughter of the Queen's daughter Princess Anne, herself still 13th in line to the throne). She has no title of any kind, yet is a firm part of the British royal family and always will be. Royal family and "royal house", as just mentioned, are two different things, and there is no claim here that Ari Behn is or was part of the royal house of that country. Ref (chew) (do) 14:37, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
The idea of "not inherited" has disqualified many mothers, brothers and widows from a mention of their famous flock lately. If a royal family is indeed just a family, an ex-husband is no different in having to rest on his own laurels. Then again, Christmas is an arguably special time of year for familiar exceptions. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:49, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
@ 2003:DA:CF15:F482:3151:67B7:F9E3:836F: Exactly what do that bunch of words put together mean? It's cryptic, and for some reason I can't figure out what you are saying. Ref (chew) (do) 04:22, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
I see another edit war here over whether she should be described as merely "Canadian".It appears that she performed Inuit music and largely in the Inuit language and was nominated for awards for that genre of music...the reference is not just to her ethnicity(which may not be pure as she shares a surname with the Frasers of Saltoun and Lovat).Is it that different from calling some UK people "Scottish" etc?-- 12.144.5.2 ( talk) 04:28, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
Thats what makes her Inuit. So too long story short- Canadian Inuit is how she should be listed...Country and Autonomous region which in this case is her tribe. Sunnydoo ( talk) 05:30, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
I see that an editor is calling Jack Garfein "Ukrainian born". The problem is that when he was born (which is all we should be interested in), it was in Czechoslovakia. Although it's part of the Ukraine now, you can't rewrite history. I'm sure that he wouldn't be too impressed to know, if he was still alive, that he wasn't really born in Czechoslovakia at all! Editrite! ( talk) 01:25, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
Where exactly is Elisabeth Sifton mentioned in the redirect articles? Editrite! ( talk) 23:48, 3 January 2020 (UTC)