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I know this has been discussed before, but I do not remember the decision and this seems like a good time to re-address it. People are using both terms here for the non-American Football participants. Is there a standard that should be used here?
Is "footballer" the preferred term when talking about what Americans refer to as "soccer" and "football player" the proper term only for American/Canadian pigskin football and Australian rules football?
Also, for Australia, is it just "Australian football player" or is it "Australian-rulles football player"?
One more question regarding the Brazilians. They seem to only go by one name like "Ananias" or "Josimar". However, there seems to be no consistency in the individual articles as some are listed by their shortened one word name and others are listed by their long full names. Should the entry here in this article always match whatever name is used as the title of their individual article despite this inconsistency? If so, several entries here need to be changed to reflect the full name.
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Dec 10 László Huzsvár....is a Hungarian, not Serbian..........Serbian Roman Catholic does not exist 152.28.8.3 ( talk) 09:24, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
...can (or should) be considered handy in their simplicity. While I agree some positions, posts, and jobs need further descriptors (á la "politician, member of") due to some international governments being too large to consider one body (or voted so), I don't see anything wrong with listing judges of any type with their benches (tenures in parentheses) in commas, following said position. I myself used to be repetitive in describing judges, by listing the word again in the specific linked bench, but have come to enjoy the brevity in the current simplicity. I hope others do as well, while also succinctly expanding if necessary. (Apologies if I sound proper. Cold medicines have that effect upon me.) — Wylie pedia 10:49, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
Re: Alan Thicke. What are the "rules" (or accepted practices) for listing acting credits for a deceased actor? I had assumed we list the 2 or 3 "big" (most notable) works, and/or their signature roles? Alan Thicke is universally known for Growing Pains. No one has ever heard of this Not Quite Human obscure TV film from 1987. It should be removed. I am not saying that he was not in the film. Just that the film is obscure and irrelevant. It is not a "milestone" or "highlight" of his career. It is barely a blip on the screen or a footnote to his long career. It has no place in his one-line bio which -- I believe -- we limit to about 3 works max. This is not in his "top three". Thoughts? Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 00:52, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
I read the above consensus to be that we remove Not Quite Human from Thicke's bio entry. Correct? Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 04:32, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
The entry on the 10th regarding the above articled subject, and his purported death, needs urgent attention. Namely, finding a better source to run with than (quote) "[ confirmed by his son, Prof. Thomas Browder of Hawaii Univ. ]" (no link). Although his article has been updated to show his "death date", we are dealing purely with hearsay here, and I'm uncomfortable in the extreme with that. Other thoughts? Ref (chew) (do) 15:57, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
English spelling is Ginyo Ganev. 109.120.215.208 ( talk) 07:15, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Shouldn't she be listed on Wikipedia's home page rather than just on this page? She was world famous. 72.230.184.142 ( talk) 19:27, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Am curious why his name was removed from the December 19 list yet his entry has December 19, 2016, as the date of his passing. 68.231.71.119 ( talk) 16:34, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
The Wikipedia:Manual of Style states as follows (in Section 10.7 on semicolons):
Semicolons are used in addition to commas to separate items in a listing, when commas alone would result in confusion.
Confusing: | Sales offices are located in Boston, Massachusetts, San Francisco, California, Singapore, and Millbank, London, England. |
Clear: | Sales offices are located in Boston, Massachusetts; San Francisco, California; Singapore; and Millbank, London, England. |
If an item itself in a list already contains a comma, the items in that list are therefore separated by semicolons (not by commas). This is according to the Wikipedia MOS. And it's normal practice everywhere else, too.
So, when we have an entry such as this:
or this:
the items within the parentheses should be separated by semicolons, not by commas (because the entry items themselves already contain commas).
In other words, the entry Promises, Promises already contains a comma within itself. And the entry Me, Myself and I likewise does.
Such entries -- when contained in a list that would normally be separated by commas -- are properly separated by semicolons instead.
Per Wikipedia MOS. And per normal editing practices, everywhere else.
Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 04:09, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
I think we should stick to the Manual of Style in general and in this particular case too, also I may be particularly dumb, but as a non-native English speaker I am confused by the city list. Redgolpe ( talk) 12:25, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
Please add to December 19 deaths: Łukasz Robert Urban. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 05:53, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
This entry makes no sense to me:
She is listed as an actress; and one of her acting credits is The Zimmers. The Zimmers, however, is the name of a musical group or band. What gives? Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 18:52, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
I see that the edit notes contains the instruction - (4) References should be in ref[url & title]ref format, as full citations make the page too slow to load, and too big to edit
Why was this used for the article? Wikipedia needs more full references. Does it really take that much time for the full citation to load? Without the date included in the reference, it makes the date of the death more difficult to verify. This was not the guidance in Deaths in 2015 Bangabandhu ( talk) 19:12, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
There's plenty of media coverage on the significant number of celebrity deaths of 2016. I suggest adding the following, or something similar, to the lead of the article:
Many media reports noted that a significantly high number of
celebrity deaths took place in
2016,
[1]
[2]
[3]
[4]
[5] particularly in
American and
British culture. The highly publicized deaths of musicians
David Bowie and
Prince, and boxer
Muhammad Ali, were among the most prominent.
[6]
Thoughts? Neegzistuoja ( talk) 11:35, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
References
Hello,
For Ashot Anastasian you put his death the 26 but your source mentions only when it was told to medias (the 26) they don't tell the day he died. Here is a blog that was made 20 hours ago (the 25) that says he died the 25 (here -> [3]). I know it's a blog but it reveals without a doubt he can't have died the 26. Thanks. -- Danielvis08 ( talk) 13:09, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Using 3 Wham! songs for his credits is insane. His career was huge outside of Wham! and " Faith" was his biggest hit, even including the Wham! hits. It spent more weeks at #1 than any of his other songs and was the top-selling single of the year in the United States in 1988. It also spent more weeks at #1 than any other song that year. Furthermore, it was the title track for his all-time biggest selling album. George Michael had 10 number one singles on the Billboard Hot 100, 7 of them after Wham!. That should not be ignored. One if the other songs needs to be removed in lieu of "Faith." BurienBomber ( talk) 19:16, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
I see the Faith/ Last Christmas yo-yo has been brought out once more, now that 2016 has passed. Have fun with that then, guys. Ref (chew) (do) 20:45, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Following on from the George Michael argy bargy above, I say again that we need agreed criteria for which notable works to list against an artist. Other than the rule of 3, and despite the many rules for this article, we never seem to agree on what is most notable. Perhaps we should all make a new year's resolution to act collaboratively and come up with some sort of consensus. For a start. I suggest three tiers:
No, no one has answered my question. Does this page have a rule of three? If so, where does that rule come from? Can someone point me to somewhere? Thanks. We have been talking about this "rule of three", as if it's Gospel. And it seems to be a "given" that that is the rule here. I am simply asking for the source of that rule. If, indeed, it even is a rule (for this article). Please advise. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 01:29, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
As usual, the seven-day "overlap" period at the end of each month does not apply at the end of December.
The reason is that Recent Deaths on the front page of Wikipedia is pointed to Deaths in 2017 from January 1. This means that deaths from that date need to be reported on Deaths in 2017, rather than staying on Deaths in 2016 for the first seven days (which does not make sense in a new year anyway). WWGB ( talk) 03:16, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Onotuku Joseph Onyemali, the traditional ruler of Umuachi-Ogo in Delta State, Nigeria was found dead on 21 December. [5] - ( 119.224.80.18 ( talk) 06:51, 27 December 2016 (UTC))
Apologies to those military editors (I am one myself) but I yanked the entry for Joel D. Sollender, 92, an American soldier and former prisoner of war, who died of heart failure. [6] His news item was mostly about being a Hillary Clinton supporter first, then his decorated military service; neither of which will ever make him notable enough for an article. — Wylie pedia 10:50, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
The guidelines for entries suggest that editors record "Name, age, country of citizenship at birth, subsequent country of citizenship (if applicable), reason for notability, cause of death (if known), and reference". Although virtually all of those born in the UK have British citizenship, many of the entries here record people as Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or English. This is comparable to noting US Americans as Texan, Californian or Minnesotan but, unfortunately, can lead to edit wars when corrected due to feelings of nationalism amongst some in the four constituent parts of the UK. What are the opinions of other editors in this space? Should we use the correct citizenship (British) or is this one of those occasions when the accuracy isn't worth the hassle? Astronomy Explained ( talk) 18:15, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
I deleted Tricia McCauley since her life was not notable. Her article has been nominated for deletion. DrKilleMoff ( talk) 17:48, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
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Please move actress Barbara Tarbuck to her correct date of death on Monday the 26th of December. She is listed under December 27 at the moment.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/barbara-tarbuck-dead-general-hospital-american-horror-story-actress-was-74-959617 194.69.14.78 ( talk) 07:23, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
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I know this has been discussed before, but I do not remember the decision and this seems like a good time to re-address it. People are using both terms here for the non-American Football participants. Is there a standard that should be used here?
Is "footballer" the preferred term when talking about what Americans refer to as "soccer" and "football player" the proper term only for American/Canadian pigskin football and Australian rules football?
Also, for Australia, is it just "Australian football player" or is it "Australian-rulles football player"?
One more question regarding the Brazilians. They seem to only go by one name like "Ananias" or "Josimar". However, there seems to be no consistency in the individual articles as some are listed by their shortened one word name and others are listed by their long full names. Should the entry here in this article always match whatever name is used as the title of their individual article despite this inconsistency? If so, several entries here need to be changed to reflect the full name.
Thanks. BurienBomber ( talk) 17:23, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
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Dec 10 László Huzsvár....is a Hungarian, not Serbian..........Serbian Roman Catholic does not exist 152.28.8.3 ( talk) 09:24, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
...can (or should) be considered handy in their simplicity. While I agree some positions, posts, and jobs need further descriptors (á la "politician, member of") due to some international governments being too large to consider one body (or voted so), I don't see anything wrong with listing judges of any type with their benches (tenures in parentheses) in commas, following said position. I myself used to be repetitive in describing judges, by listing the word again in the specific linked bench, but have come to enjoy the brevity in the current simplicity. I hope others do as well, while also succinctly expanding if necessary. (Apologies if I sound proper. Cold medicines have that effect upon me.) — Wylie pedia 10:49, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
Re: Alan Thicke. What are the "rules" (or accepted practices) for listing acting credits for a deceased actor? I had assumed we list the 2 or 3 "big" (most notable) works, and/or their signature roles? Alan Thicke is universally known for Growing Pains. No one has ever heard of this Not Quite Human obscure TV film from 1987. It should be removed. I am not saying that he was not in the film. Just that the film is obscure and irrelevant. It is not a "milestone" or "highlight" of his career. It is barely a blip on the screen or a footnote to his long career. It has no place in his one-line bio which -- I believe -- we limit to about 3 works max. This is not in his "top three". Thoughts? Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 00:52, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
I read the above consensus to be that we remove Not Quite Human from Thicke's bio entry. Correct? Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 04:32, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
The entry on the 10th regarding the above articled subject, and his purported death, needs urgent attention. Namely, finding a better source to run with than (quote) "[ confirmed by his son, Prof. Thomas Browder of Hawaii Univ. ]" (no link). Although his article has been updated to show his "death date", we are dealing purely with hearsay here, and I'm uncomfortable in the extreme with that. Other thoughts? Ref (chew) (do) 15:57, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
English spelling is Ginyo Ganev. 109.120.215.208 ( talk) 07:15, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Shouldn't she be listed on Wikipedia's home page rather than just on this page? She was world famous. 72.230.184.142 ( talk) 19:27, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Am curious why his name was removed from the December 19 list yet his entry has December 19, 2016, as the date of his passing. 68.231.71.119 ( talk) 16:34, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
The Wikipedia:Manual of Style states as follows (in Section 10.7 on semicolons):
Semicolons are used in addition to commas to separate items in a listing, when commas alone would result in confusion.
Confusing: | Sales offices are located in Boston, Massachusetts, San Francisco, California, Singapore, and Millbank, London, England. |
Clear: | Sales offices are located in Boston, Massachusetts; San Francisco, California; Singapore; and Millbank, London, England. |
If an item itself in a list already contains a comma, the items in that list are therefore separated by semicolons (not by commas). This is according to the Wikipedia MOS. And it's normal practice everywhere else, too.
So, when we have an entry such as this:
or this:
the items within the parentheses should be separated by semicolons, not by commas (because the entry items themselves already contain commas).
In other words, the entry Promises, Promises already contains a comma within itself. And the entry Me, Myself and I likewise does.
Such entries -- when contained in a list that would normally be separated by commas -- are properly separated by semicolons instead.
Per Wikipedia MOS. And per normal editing practices, everywhere else.
Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 04:09, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
I think we should stick to the Manual of Style in general and in this particular case too, also I may be particularly dumb, but as a non-native English speaker I am confused by the city list. Redgolpe ( talk) 12:25, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
Please add to December 19 deaths: Łukasz Robert Urban. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 05:53, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
This entry makes no sense to me:
She is listed as an actress; and one of her acting credits is The Zimmers. The Zimmers, however, is the name of a musical group or band. What gives? Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 18:52, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
I see that the edit notes contains the instruction - (4) References should be in ref[url & title]ref format, as full citations make the page too slow to load, and too big to edit
Why was this used for the article? Wikipedia needs more full references. Does it really take that much time for the full citation to load? Without the date included in the reference, it makes the date of the death more difficult to verify. This was not the guidance in Deaths in 2015 Bangabandhu ( talk) 19:12, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
There's plenty of media coverage on the significant number of celebrity deaths of 2016. I suggest adding the following, or something similar, to the lead of the article:
Many media reports noted that a significantly high number of
celebrity deaths took place in
2016,
[1]
[2]
[3]
[4]
[5] particularly in
American and
British culture. The highly publicized deaths of musicians
David Bowie and
Prince, and boxer
Muhammad Ali, were among the most prominent.
[6]
Thoughts? Neegzistuoja ( talk) 11:35, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
References
Hello,
For Ashot Anastasian you put his death the 26 but your source mentions only when it was told to medias (the 26) they don't tell the day he died. Here is a blog that was made 20 hours ago (the 25) that says he died the 25 (here -> [3]). I know it's a blog but it reveals without a doubt he can't have died the 26. Thanks. -- Danielvis08 ( talk) 13:09, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Using 3 Wham! songs for his credits is insane. His career was huge outside of Wham! and " Faith" was his biggest hit, even including the Wham! hits. It spent more weeks at #1 than any of his other songs and was the top-selling single of the year in the United States in 1988. It also spent more weeks at #1 than any other song that year. Furthermore, it was the title track for his all-time biggest selling album. George Michael had 10 number one singles on the Billboard Hot 100, 7 of them after Wham!. That should not be ignored. One if the other songs needs to be removed in lieu of "Faith." BurienBomber ( talk) 19:16, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
I see the Faith/ Last Christmas yo-yo has been brought out once more, now that 2016 has passed. Have fun with that then, guys. Ref (chew) (do) 20:45, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Following on from the George Michael argy bargy above, I say again that we need agreed criteria for which notable works to list against an artist. Other than the rule of 3, and despite the many rules for this article, we never seem to agree on what is most notable. Perhaps we should all make a new year's resolution to act collaboratively and come up with some sort of consensus. For a start. I suggest three tiers:
No, no one has answered my question. Does this page have a rule of three? If so, where does that rule come from? Can someone point me to somewhere? Thanks. We have been talking about this "rule of three", as if it's Gospel. And it seems to be a "given" that that is the rule here. I am simply asking for the source of that rule. If, indeed, it even is a rule (for this article). Please advise. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 01:29, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
As usual, the seven-day "overlap" period at the end of each month does not apply at the end of December.
The reason is that Recent Deaths on the front page of Wikipedia is pointed to Deaths in 2017 from January 1. This means that deaths from that date need to be reported on Deaths in 2017, rather than staying on Deaths in 2016 for the first seven days (which does not make sense in a new year anyway). WWGB ( talk) 03:16, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Onotuku Joseph Onyemali, the traditional ruler of Umuachi-Ogo in Delta State, Nigeria was found dead on 21 December. [5] - ( 119.224.80.18 ( talk) 06:51, 27 December 2016 (UTC))
Apologies to those military editors (I am one myself) but I yanked the entry for Joel D. Sollender, 92, an American soldier and former prisoner of war, who died of heart failure. [6] His news item was mostly about being a Hillary Clinton supporter first, then his decorated military service; neither of which will ever make him notable enough for an article. — Wylie pedia 10:50, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
The guidelines for entries suggest that editors record "Name, age, country of citizenship at birth, subsequent country of citizenship (if applicable), reason for notability, cause of death (if known), and reference". Although virtually all of those born in the UK have British citizenship, many of the entries here record people as Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or English. This is comparable to noting US Americans as Texan, Californian or Minnesotan but, unfortunately, can lead to edit wars when corrected due to feelings of nationalism amongst some in the four constituent parts of the UK. What are the opinions of other editors in this space? Should we use the correct citizenship (British) or is this one of those occasions when the accuracy isn't worth the hassle? Astronomy Explained ( talk) 18:15, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
I deleted Tricia McCauley since her life was not notable. Her article has been nominated for deletion. DrKilleMoff ( talk) 17:48, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
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Please move actress Barbara Tarbuck to her correct date of death on Monday the 26th of December. She is listed under December 27 at the moment.
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died on the 24th of December. -- Owen1983 ( talk) 21:13, 10 January 2018 (UTC)