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He should NOT be listed as a notable death unless you are going to list all the victims of the shooting as well. Put up a wiki page about the massacre, fine (Even though that's the reason he did it... getting noticed) but he did nothing special in his life, and should not be listed in the "Notable deaths" section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hsox05 ( talk • contribs) 19:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
If Robert A. Hawkins is not notable, then Seung-Hui Cho, perpetrator of the Virginia Tech massacre, is not notable, but he is listed on the notable deaths of April. There probably needs to be a standard established for mass murderers, since they only become notable when they commit their crimes. Nobody thinks the Son of Sam is not notable, but he got to live after his crimes. If Robert A. Hawkins lived after his crimes, I don't think anyone would think he wasn't notable, since he would have suffered a trial and jail time. DandyDan2007 ( talk) 19:47, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
As some others have stated, whether or not someone is a good or bad person is of no importance on this page. Also this page is not a memorial to people. It is simply what it says on the tin "A list of (notable) deaths in December 2007". I am assuming that most of you who have posted on this discusssion saw Robert A. Hawkins name and knew who he was. This proves his notability. 194.200.145.5 ( talk) 13:09, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
His last name should have only one "s", correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackal4 ( talk • contribs) 16:16, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
This is the same thing as Robert Hawkins, and he even killed fewer people. This guy is NOT worthy of being on the notable deaths page! When you click on his name it links you to an event... even 3 or 4 days later (whatever it is now) he doesn't have a page for him, because he doesn't deserve one. Again, the event is notable, not the person behind it. I deleted his name once, but someone put it back on. These people that shoot 3 people then kill themselves are nowhere near worthy of being mentioned in an encyclopedia. We need to stop mentioning them unless it is a MAJOR event like the Virginia Tech shooting, in which the person involved got just as much 'recognition' as the event itself. Hsox05 ( talk) 18:34, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
This person was re-added. Is he notable? Probable suicide? There needs to be more than that to prove notability.-- h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 21:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
nn student, i temp protected the page Secret account 21:56, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Copy of my post to User talk:Be best, who removed the entry I posted for Cillario:
Margaret Thatcher is listed as having died on 19th December with citation to follow, but I can find literally no suggestion of this anywhere else. Unless I've missed a huge news story, I'm suspecting possible 'wishful thinking' vandalism. I think it may be best if I remove it, but wanted to run it through the talk page first. SixBellsChime ( talk) 23:43, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Don't you think it would be quite a major news event if she died. When she does you'll know about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.202.153.186 ( talk) 02:13, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
listing: 27th December Peter Wing, 93, Canadian politician, mayor of Kamloops, North America's first mayor of Chinese descent, stroke. Excuse my ignorance but if he is Canadian and Kamloops is in Canada, where does North America come into it? I thought North America was a geographical entity, or is there a enitity called North America that includes Canada. I have not changed it as it maybe correct, and this just a manifestation of my being on what sometimes feels like the largest non moving aircraft carrier in the USA navy Edmund Patrick ( confer work) 17:57, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Should the individual entries for the three people killed in the car accident be linked to the Veliki Brat 2007 page? It's unlikely that they would be sufficiently notable on their own for their own entries, but the death of three contestants in a high-profile reality programme (and leading to its cancellation) is notable. I didn't want to make this edit myself as I don't know the policy or the correct procedure in such cases. Be best ( talk) 00:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
That's a strange coincidence that she should die only 4 days later... anyone know if the website is a reliable source and this is legit? It just seems too weird to be true.-- h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 01:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Is this person notable? When it was first reported as a 'sister-in-law' of Benazir Bhutto, there was some current resonance because of the assassination, but a cousin's wife is a pretty tenuous claim to fame. Nothing in the source indicates notability. Be best ( talk) 01:12, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Re [2], having the author, title, article date, and access date makes it easier to find a replacement reference when a URL dies (e.g. when Yahoo kills their news articles after a week). With just the URL you sometimes can't easily find a replacement ref. -- Jeandré, 2008-01-14 t12:52z
I have reversed the death notice for Muhammad Uthman AS-Said as there was no such Prime Minister of Libya. Is it perhaps Muhammad Osman Said? If so, we need a better reference. WWGB ( talk) 00:40, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
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He should NOT be listed as a notable death unless you are going to list all the victims of the shooting as well. Put up a wiki page about the massacre, fine (Even though that's the reason he did it... getting noticed) but he did nothing special in his life, and should not be listed in the "Notable deaths" section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hsox05 ( talk • contribs) 19:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
If Robert A. Hawkins is not notable, then Seung-Hui Cho, perpetrator of the Virginia Tech massacre, is not notable, but he is listed on the notable deaths of April. There probably needs to be a standard established for mass murderers, since they only become notable when they commit their crimes. Nobody thinks the Son of Sam is not notable, but he got to live after his crimes. If Robert A. Hawkins lived after his crimes, I don't think anyone would think he wasn't notable, since he would have suffered a trial and jail time. DandyDan2007 ( talk) 19:47, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
As some others have stated, whether or not someone is a good or bad person is of no importance on this page. Also this page is not a memorial to people. It is simply what it says on the tin "A list of (notable) deaths in December 2007". I am assuming that most of you who have posted on this discusssion saw Robert A. Hawkins name and knew who he was. This proves his notability. 194.200.145.5 ( talk) 13:09, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
His last name should have only one "s", correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackal4 ( talk • contribs) 16:16, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
This is the same thing as Robert Hawkins, and he even killed fewer people. This guy is NOT worthy of being on the notable deaths page! When you click on his name it links you to an event... even 3 or 4 days later (whatever it is now) he doesn't have a page for him, because he doesn't deserve one. Again, the event is notable, not the person behind it. I deleted his name once, but someone put it back on. These people that shoot 3 people then kill themselves are nowhere near worthy of being mentioned in an encyclopedia. We need to stop mentioning them unless it is a MAJOR event like the Virginia Tech shooting, in which the person involved got just as much 'recognition' as the event itself. Hsox05 ( talk) 18:34, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
This person was re-added. Is he notable? Probable suicide? There needs to be more than that to prove notability.-- h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 21:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
nn student, i temp protected the page Secret account 21:56, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Copy of my post to User talk:Be best, who removed the entry I posted for Cillario:
Margaret Thatcher is listed as having died on 19th December with citation to follow, but I can find literally no suggestion of this anywhere else. Unless I've missed a huge news story, I'm suspecting possible 'wishful thinking' vandalism. I think it may be best if I remove it, but wanted to run it through the talk page first. SixBellsChime ( talk) 23:43, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Don't you think it would be quite a major news event if she died. When she does you'll know about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.202.153.186 ( talk) 02:13, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
listing: 27th December Peter Wing, 93, Canadian politician, mayor of Kamloops, North America's first mayor of Chinese descent, stroke. Excuse my ignorance but if he is Canadian and Kamloops is in Canada, where does North America come into it? I thought North America was a geographical entity, or is there a enitity called North America that includes Canada. I have not changed it as it maybe correct, and this just a manifestation of my being on what sometimes feels like the largest non moving aircraft carrier in the USA navy Edmund Patrick ( confer work) 17:57, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Should the individual entries for the three people killed in the car accident be linked to the Veliki Brat 2007 page? It's unlikely that they would be sufficiently notable on their own for their own entries, but the death of three contestants in a high-profile reality programme (and leading to its cancellation) is notable. I didn't want to make this edit myself as I don't know the policy or the correct procedure in such cases. Be best ( talk) 00:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
That's a strange coincidence that she should die only 4 days later... anyone know if the website is a reliable source and this is legit? It just seems too weird to be true.-- h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 01:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Is this person notable? When it was first reported as a 'sister-in-law' of Benazir Bhutto, there was some current resonance because of the assassination, but a cousin's wife is a pretty tenuous claim to fame. Nothing in the source indicates notability. Be best ( talk) 01:12, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Re [2], having the author, title, article date, and access date makes it easier to find a replacement reference when a URL dies (e.g. when Yahoo kills their news articles after a week). With just the URL you sometimes can't easily find a replacement ref. -- Jeandré, 2008-01-14 t12:52z
I have reversed the death notice for Muhammad Uthman AS-Said as there was no such Prime Minister of Libya. Is it perhaps Muhammad Osman Said? If so, we need a better reference. WWGB ( talk) 00:40, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
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