"Also includes two multiplayer games: Half-Life 2 Deathmatch and Half-Life 1 Deathmatch: SourceTM." [1]
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If we have no reviews for this game and only a handful of mentions/announcements, it would be best covered in its parent section: Half-Life_(video_game)#Third-party_mods. When I looked, I saw nothing more than a paragraph in Internet Archive 2001-era magazines. czar 14:47, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
I'd take another look at this. The article is about games owned but never played (not "lo longer played"), meaning that it came in a bundle and went unplayed. But even still, Deathmatch Classic is just a minor entry among all the other Half-Life 2-related entries... and that does not confer notability (only significant coverage does). The second part of the above quote would only indicate that this mod is on par with other free-to-play downloads that were added to personal inventories but never played—which is to say that it indicates nothing on its own. We don't base notability on these custom measures. It always goes back to what I originally said— whether we have enough sources to write a full treatment of the topic. If not, we merge. czar 16:47, 14 October 2016 (UTC)37% of Steam games that everyone has, but no longer plays ... can be accessed by 10 million PCs at any time
That's what Czar is telling you. It was NOT a major release, and there isn't any major coverage from 2001 sources. Notability is not inherited. Half-Life 1's notability doesn't help Deathmatch Classic. -- ferret ( talk) 17:38, 14 October 2016 (UTC)it was a major release at the time look at 2001 sources
It was release with Half Life 1 not 2 and yes it was a major release at the time Valve had three games HL, CS, Ricochet and this game. Valoem talk contrib 17:43, 14 October 2016 (UTC)is just a minor entry among all the other Half-Life 2-related entries
All mentions of the game from given citations:
Ars Technica: "Buried in a leaked folder called "wmods" (in a subfolder named "3wave") was a level pack for Half-Life's Deathmatch Classic containing replicas of all the official maps from the Quake Threewave mod."
Eurogamer: "Valve's Threewave was buried within a leaked folder called "wmods", in a subfolder called "3wave". It's a level pack for Half-Life's Deathmatch Classic, and includes remakes of the maps from the Quake Threewave mod."
GameSpot: "Counter-Strike: Source, Half-Life 2: Deathmatch, Left 4 Dead 2, Counter-Strike, Half-Life 2, Portal, Counter-Strike: Condition Zero, Day of Defeat, Deathmatch Classic, Ricochet, Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, Day of Defeat: Source, Portal 2, and Half-Life 2: Episode One."
Fortunately, those are not the only sources that exist, Load the Game, Giant Bomb, Kit Guru all of which cover this topic as a major release in bundle, Destructoid, this coverage can certainly defer this article to AfD, a merge is not appropriate. Valoem talk contrib 22:54, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Load the Game: "You’ll get Counter Strike: Global Offensive, Portal and Portal 2, Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2, Team Fortress Classic, Team Fortress 2, Counter Strike, Counter Strike: Source, Counter Strike: Condition Zero, Day of Defeat, Day of Defeat: Source, Half Life 2, Half-Life 2, Half-Life 2: Deathmatch, Half-Life 2: Lost Coast, Half-Life 2: Episode One and Episode Two, Half-Life, Half-Life: Blue Shift, Half-Life: Opposing Force, Half-Life Deathmatch: Source, Half-Life Source, Ricochet and lastly, Deathmatch Classic."
Kit Guru: "The Valve complete pack has gone through a few iterations over the years but right now it includes the Team Fortress games, the Counter-Strike games, all of the Half-Life titles, Ricochet, Deathmatch Classic, the Left4Dead games and finally, the two Portal titles."
What does this mean? Its hard to not include major releases. This is a Valve release not an independent third party mod. Valoem talk contrib 16:04, 19 October 2016 (UTC)you can find 10 pages that say that the game is included in the Valve Complete Pack, just like every other Valve game (it's not like they could just leave it out)
Sigh. Yes, it should be merged; there's literally no sources for it that say anything other than "Valve included a mod with Half-Life that sort of replicated the deathmatch mode of Quake. No one plays it, but it's still in there." This is a non-notable half-life mod, even if Valve was the one to slap it together. That said, clearly Valoem is never going to stop arguing about it, so either a) just start merging it per this consensus and then block him when he inevitably reverts over and over (no one who writes something like "I would recommend you drop this, because I am never going to" will last long) or b) just take it to AfD and put in the nom statement that multiple editors have searched and can't find any more sources to justify an article, but one person has declared their intention to never stop being obstinate and blocking the merge. -- Pres N 19:43, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
The little cited information is covered insignificantly in just a very few sources. You justify "significant coverage" with random articles naming DMC as one of many in the Valve Complete Bundle. If the bundle is reported on, no game can be left out. You are not debating that there is no article for Half-Life 1 Deathmatch: Source, are you?the coverage is not trivial and has been documented in multiple reliable sources
There never was and haven't proven the opposite, as this is tying in with the false argument one above.notability cannot be lost
It was handed out for free with copies of Half-Life, and that just 7.5 million times (even if that is still much), however, owners ≠ players, all-time peak was 32 so that is pretty much nothing, also disproven by my argument on Pirates, Vikings, and Knights II, which is owned by 100+ million and still not notable.10 million purchased regardless of time frame is not trivial
You are the only one here wanting AfD, although a Redirect is perfectly reasonable and justified, as detailed by PresN. You can set up an AfD to start a discussion and oppose it with your arguments. Lordtobi ( ✉) 16:30, 21 October 2016 (UTC)Did you want me to open an AfD to keep, seems strange, no?
There is not a consensus to merge, I dropped the issue since there was no activity, but I do have follow up sources, these two MAJOR Valve releases obviously pass our WP:GNG/VG requirements. Here is a copy of my discussion with Cunard
Cunard has provided sources which pass our GNG for video games. Valoem talk contrib 23:48, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
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"Also includes two multiplayer games: Half-Life 2 Deathmatch and Half-Life 1 Deathmatch: SourceTM." [1]
It's official.
Fixed a load of issues and cleaned it up.
Attention, all contributors to the Valve Task Force and the articles it constitutes!
I am here to announce that I will be re-vitalizing the
Valve Task Force, aimed at universally improving articles constituting
Valve Corporation, their employees, associates and products. This specific task force has been dormant for quite some time and with two very notable releases coming out this year, I feel like this is the appropriate time to re-stimulate the general aim of this group. For those who are not already members of the Valve Task Force, feel free to add your name to our
members list and contribute to whatever articles you feel your contributions may prove beneficial for. Valve, its products and notable employees have proven to be essential to the progression of the video game industry, so I'd like to make a call of arms for this cause.
DarthBotto
talk•
cont
22:13, 08 February 2011 (UTC)
If we have no reviews for this game and only a handful of mentions/announcements, it would be best covered in its parent section: Half-Life_(video_game)#Third-party_mods. When I looked, I saw nothing more than a paragraph in Internet Archive 2001-era magazines. czar 14:47, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
I'd take another look at this. The article is about games owned but never played (not "lo longer played"), meaning that it came in a bundle and went unplayed. But even still, Deathmatch Classic is just a minor entry among all the other Half-Life 2-related entries... and that does not confer notability (only significant coverage does). The second part of the above quote would only indicate that this mod is on par with other free-to-play downloads that were added to personal inventories but never played—which is to say that it indicates nothing on its own. We don't base notability on these custom measures. It always goes back to what I originally said— whether we have enough sources to write a full treatment of the topic. If not, we merge. czar 16:47, 14 October 2016 (UTC)37% of Steam games that everyone has, but no longer plays ... can be accessed by 10 million PCs at any time
That's what Czar is telling you. It was NOT a major release, and there isn't any major coverage from 2001 sources. Notability is not inherited. Half-Life 1's notability doesn't help Deathmatch Classic. -- ferret ( talk) 17:38, 14 October 2016 (UTC)it was a major release at the time look at 2001 sources
It was release with Half Life 1 not 2 and yes it was a major release at the time Valve had three games HL, CS, Ricochet and this game. Valoem talk contrib 17:43, 14 October 2016 (UTC)is just a minor entry among all the other Half-Life 2-related entries
All mentions of the game from given citations:
Ars Technica: "Buried in a leaked folder called "wmods" (in a subfolder named "3wave") was a level pack for Half-Life's Deathmatch Classic containing replicas of all the official maps from the Quake Threewave mod."
Eurogamer: "Valve's Threewave was buried within a leaked folder called "wmods", in a subfolder called "3wave". It's a level pack for Half-Life's Deathmatch Classic, and includes remakes of the maps from the Quake Threewave mod."
GameSpot: "Counter-Strike: Source, Half-Life 2: Deathmatch, Left 4 Dead 2, Counter-Strike, Half-Life 2, Portal, Counter-Strike: Condition Zero, Day of Defeat, Deathmatch Classic, Ricochet, Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, Day of Defeat: Source, Portal 2, and Half-Life 2: Episode One."
Fortunately, those are not the only sources that exist, Load the Game, Giant Bomb, Kit Guru all of which cover this topic as a major release in bundle, Destructoid, this coverage can certainly defer this article to AfD, a merge is not appropriate. Valoem talk contrib 22:54, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Load the Game: "You’ll get Counter Strike: Global Offensive, Portal and Portal 2, Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2, Team Fortress Classic, Team Fortress 2, Counter Strike, Counter Strike: Source, Counter Strike: Condition Zero, Day of Defeat, Day of Defeat: Source, Half Life 2, Half-Life 2, Half-Life 2: Deathmatch, Half-Life 2: Lost Coast, Half-Life 2: Episode One and Episode Two, Half-Life, Half-Life: Blue Shift, Half-Life: Opposing Force, Half-Life Deathmatch: Source, Half-Life Source, Ricochet and lastly, Deathmatch Classic."
Kit Guru: "The Valve complete pack has gone through a few iterations over the years but right now it includes the Team Fortress games, the Counter-Strike games, all of the Half-Life titles, Ricochet, Deathmatch Classic, the Left4Dead games and finally, the two Portal titles."
What does this mean? Its hard to not include major releases. This is a Valve release not an independent third party mod. Valoem talk contrib 16:04, 19 October 2016 (UTC)you can find 10 pages that say that the game is included in the Valve Complete Pack, just like every other Valve game (it's not like they could just leave it out)
Sigh. Yes, it should be merged; there's literally no sources for it that say anything other than "Valve included a mod with Half-Life that sort of replicated the deathmatch mode of Quake. No one plays it, but it's still in there." This is a non-notable half-life mod, even if Valve was the one to slap it together. That said, clearly Valoem is never going to stop arguing about it, so either a) just start merging it per this consensus and then block him when he inevitably reverts over and over (no one who writes something like "I would recommend you drop this, because I am never going to" will last long) or b) just take it to AfD and put in the nom statement that multiple editors have searched and can't find any more sources to justify an article, but one person has declared their intention to never stop being obstinate and blocking the merge. -- Pres N 19:43, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
The little cited information is covered insignificantly in just a very few sources. You justify "significant coverage" with random articles naming DMC as one of many in the Valve Complete Bundle. If the bundle is reported on, no game can be left out. You are not debating that there is no article for Half-Life 1 Deathmatch: Source, are you?the coverage is not trivial and has been documented in multiple reliable sources
There never was and haven't proven the opposite, as this is tying in with the false argument one above.notability cannot be lost
It was handed out for free with copies of Half-Life, and that just 7.5 million times (even if that is still much), however, owners ≠ players, all-time peak was 32 so that is pretty much nothing, also disproven by my argument on Pirates, Vikings, and Knights II, which is owned by 100+ million and still not notable.10 million purchased regardless of time frame is not trivial
You are the only one here wanting AfD, although a Redirect is perfectly reasonable and justified, as detailed by PresN. You can set up an AfD to start a discussion and oppose it with your arguments. Lordtobi ( ✉) 16:30, 21 October 2016 (UTC)Did you want me to open an AfD to keep, seems strange, no?
There is not a consensus to merge, I dropped the issue since there was no activity, but I do have follow up sources, these two MAJOR Valve releases obviously pass our WP:GNG/VG requirements. Here is a copy of my discussion with Cunard
Cunard has provided sources which pass our GNG for video games. Valoem talk contrib 23:48, 30 December 2016 (UTC)