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This needs to either be cut down to a selection of the more interesting ones or spun out into a daughter article. -- John ( talk) 14:20, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Beside the United Kingdom flag and the comment from William Hague is the following: "Gerry Adams, the leader of Sinn Féin, also paid tribute to Chávez." I believe Adams considers himself to be Irish. He is, and has been for some time, a TD for Louth. Louth is not in the United Kingdom, nor, I believe, is the Dáil answerable to Westminster.
The reactions section says states. Not all off these are official statements. Some are from people not in government anymore. Very sloppy. Why not just call it foreign statements (official and private/unofficial) 208.54.83.179 ( talk) 21:25, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
It would be top important to know if any of these people will be attending:
So far, there is nothing in the article. -- Petri Krohn ( talk) 08:11, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Folks we have received an e-mail about an inaccuracy in this article, text follows:
In the section "Funeral events" there is a mistake. In the last paragraph, there is a sentence that says "...former President of Venezuela Simon Bolivar". Simon Bolivar was never the president of Venezuela, he was the liberator of Venezuela and president of "La Gran Colombia" but he was not the president of Venezuela.
Would someone please review and correct if necessary? Thanks.-- ukexpat ( talk) 15:31, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
I removed the following because it seems to be a copyvio or at least too- close paraphrasing from the the article it cites.
:The filmmakers Oliver Stone, Michael Moore and actor Sean Penn lamented the death of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, whom he described as "champion of the poor." Penn, who first met Chávez in Venezuela in 2007 said: "Today the people of the United States lost a friend it never knew it had. And poor people around the world lost a champion," he said in a statement to the Hollywood Reporter. "I lost a friend I was blessed to have. My thoughts are with the family of President Chávez and the people of Venezuela." Oliver Stone, who chronicled Chávez's presidency and the successes of left wing politicians across South America in his 2009 documentary South of the Border, said the Venezuelan leader would be remembered fondly by historians as a champion of the poor. "I mourn a great hero to the majority of his people and those who struggle throughout the world for a place," he said in a statement. Michael Moore, who met Chávez at the Venice film festival in 2009 and posted pictures of himself with the president, tweeted: "Hugo Chávez declared the oil belonged 2 the ppl. He used the oil $ 2 eliminate 75% of extreme poverty, provide free health & education 4 all. That made him dangerous. US approved of a coup to overthrow him even though he was a democratically-elected president." [1]
I'm also not sure if it's appropriate to include responses from actors and other people who aren't world leaders. But if it's felt it should be included, then it could use a little re-working. AdventurousSquirrel ( talk) 03:53, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia should not be a propaganda machine of governments. Non government people may be quoted if appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.86.200 ( talk) 15:09, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
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Both the Swedish foreign minister Carl Bildt and prime minister Fredrik Reinfeldt have made statements on Chávez passing.
Carl Bildt made two statements on his official Twitter account:
"Hugo Chavez was undoubtedly a charismatic and strong leader, but his policies led his country astray with grave economic consequences." [1]
"Venezuela must get clear and credible democratic rule in the post-Chavez phase that has just started." [2]
Saying further about Chávez in an official statement to the press that;
"Han var en populistisk och karismatisk ledare, vars populism varit möjlig genom starkt stigande oljeinkomster. Det är bara det som har gjort det möjligt, att han har kunnat plundra landets oljerikedom och surfa på detta." [3]
Freely translated from Swedish:
"He was a populistic and charismatic leader, whose populism had been able through strongly increasing oil incomes. It is only [those incomes] that made it possible, for him to be able to plunder the oil wealth of the country and surf on it."
Fredrik Reinfeldt gave the following statements on Chávez:
"Han har onekligen påverkat sitt eget land och hela regionen."
"När väl sorgearbetet är, för det tror jag vi får kalla det, över så hoppas jag på en annan utveckling för Venezuela med en demokratisering när det gäller respekt för oliktänkande, mänskliga rättigheter, domstolars självständighet, mediers möjligheter att agera självständigt och obundet, många saker som behöver förändras."
"Min enda direkta kontakt med honom var i Köpenhamn under klimattoppmötet. Man får då komma ihåg att Venezuelas ekonomi bygger i hög utsträckning på att sälja olja. Han var allt annat än konstruktiv och försökte in i det sista att stoppa klimattoppmötet från att ingå någon typ av överenskommelse." [4]
Freely translated from Swedish:
"It cannot be denied that he affected his own country and the entire region."
"When the mourning is over, for I believe we can call it that, I hope for a different development for Venezuela with a democratization when it comes to respect for dissidents, human rights, the independence of courts, opportunities for media to act independently and freely, many things that need to be changed."
"My only direct contact with him was in Copenhagen under the climate conference. One has then to remember that the economy of Venezuela is in large parts built upon selling oil. He [Chávez] was anything but constructive and tried up to the last to stop the climate conference from entering any kind of agreement."
I believe these statements are highly relevant to the article as a whole and I will add them to it.
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Iran at funeral Dignitaries gather for funeral of Hugo Chavez Lihaas ( talk) 13:37, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
I reworked it into a simple list. In the process, I had to split references from claims. Everyone on the list is backed up by one of the references there. Perhaps someone would like to match them up inline, or just leave as is. But don't delete any as unsourced. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:19, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
I've seen news stories that a photograph of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad comforting Chavez's mother has led to considerable controversy with Iranian religious authorities. Should this be mentioned in the article? I don't think it belongs in the Hugo Chávez article, but for an article specifically about the Death/Funeral that it belongs. Naraht ( talk) 15:02, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
It belongs in Ahmadinejad's article. That's about it. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:50, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
From the existing AP reference, "Venezuela's constitution specifies that the speaker of the National Assembly, currently Diosdado Cabello, should assume the interim presidency if a president can't be sworn in." I don't know much about Venezuelan politics, but that's at odds with Chávez's running mate being sworn in. (I noted it as such in the lead.) Diosdado Cabello's article states "Cabello's current status after the death of Hugo Chávez is disputed. Some argue that Cabello is constitutionally the acting President while the power remains in the hands of Nicolás Maduro", so this does seem rather relevant. – 2001:db8:: ( rfc | diff) 00:49, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
I think it would be controversial to discuss political squabbles in an article about a man's funeral. Better left in Maduro and Cabello's articles, or those about the presidency and government of Venezuela. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:49, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
The entire 'reactions' section is just one huge copy-paste of rhetoric from politicians and heads of state. It's of no real relevance, and ought to be removed. If needs be, it could be consolidated into a smaller section written in prose, like for that of Néstor Kirchner -- Ohconfucius ping / poke 04:21, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
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This needs to either be cut down to a selection of the more interesting ones or spun out into a daughter article. -- John ( talk) 14:20, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Beside the United Kingdom flag and the comment from William Hague is the following: "Gerry Adams, the leader of Sinn Féin, also paid tribute to Chávez." I believe Adams considers himself to be Irish. He is, and has been for some time, a TD for Louth. Louth is not in the United Kingdom, nor, I believe, is the Dáil answerable to Westminster.
The reactions section says states. Not all off these are official statements. Some are from people not in government anymore. Very sloppy. Why not just call it foreign statements (official and private/unofficial) 208.54.83.179 ( talk) 21:25, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
It would be top important to know if any of these people will be attending:
So far, there is nothing in the article. -- Petri Krohn ( talk) 08:11, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Folks we have received an e-mail about an inaccuracy in this article, text follows:
In the section "Funeral events" there is a mistake. In the last paragraph, there is a sentence that says "...former President of Venezuela Simon Bolivar". Simon Bolivar was never the president of Venezuela, he was the liberator of Venezuela and president of "La Gran Colombia" but he was not the president of Venezuela.
Would someone please review and correct if necessary? Thanks.-- ukexpat ( talk) 15:31, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
I removed the following because it seems to be a copyvio or at least too- close paraphrasing from the the article it cites.
:The filmmakers Oliver Stone, Michael Moore and actor Sean Penn lamented the death of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, whom he described as "champion of the poor." Penn, who first met Chávez in Venezuela in 2007 said: "Today the people of the United States lost a friend it never knew it had. And poor people around the world lost a champion," he said in a statement to the Hollywood Reporter. "I lost a friend I was blessed to have. My thoughts are with the family of President Chávez and the people of Venezuela." Oliver Stone, who chronicled Chávez's presidency and the successes of left wing politicians across South America in his 2009 documentary South of the Border, said the Venezuelan leader would be remembered fondly by historians as a champion of the poor. "I mourn a great hero to the majority of his people and those who struggle throughout the world for a place," he said in a statement. Michael Moore, who met Chávez at the Venice film festival in 2009 and posted pictures of himself with the president, tweeted: "Hugo Chávez declared the oil belonged 2 the ppl. He used the oil $ 2 eliminate 75% of extreme poverty, provide free health & education 4 all. That made him dangerous. US approved of a coup to overthrow him even though he was a democratically-elected president." [1]
I'm also not sure if it's appropriate to include responses from actors and other people who aren't world leaders. But if it's felt it should be included, then it could use a little re-working. AdventurousSquirrel ( talk) 03:53, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
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Both the Swedish foreign minister Carl Bildt and prime minister Fredrik Reinfeldt have made statements on Chávez passing.
Carl Bildt made two statements on his official Twitter account:
"Hugo Chavez was undoubtedly a charismatic and strong leader, but his policies led his country astray with grave economic consequences." [1]
"Venezuela must get clear and credible democratic rule in the post-Chavez phase that has just started." [2]
Saying further about Chávez in an official statement to the press that;
"Han var en populistisk och karismatisk ledare, vars populism varit möjlig genom starkt stigande oljeinkomster. Det är bara det som har gjort det möjligt, att han har kunnat plundra landets oljerikedom och surfa på detta." [3]
Freely translated from Swedish:
"He was a populistic and charismatic leader, whose populism had been able through strongly increasing oil incomes. It is only [those incomes] that made it possible, for him to be able to plunder the oil wealth of the country and surf on it."
Fredrik Reinfeldt gave the following statements on Chávez:
"Han har onekligen påverkat sitt eget land och hela regionen."
"När väl sorgearbetet är, för det tror jag vi får kalla det, över så hoppas jag på en annan utveckling för Venezuela med en demokratisering när det gäller respekt för oliktänkande, mänskliga rättigheter, domstolars självständighet, mediers möjligheter att agera självständigt och obundet, många saker som behöver förändras."
"Min enda direkta kontakt med honom var i Köpenhamn under klimattoppmötet. Man får då komma ihåg att Venezuelas ekonomi bygger i hög utsträckning på att sälja olja. Han var allt annat än konstruktiv och försökte in i det sista att stoppa klimattoppmötet från att ingå någon typ av överenskommelse." [4]
Freely translated from Swedish:
"It cannot be denied that he affected his own country and the entire region."
"When the mourning is over, for I believe we can call it that, I hope for a different development for Venezuela with a democratization when it comes to respect for dissidents, human rights, the independence of courts, opportunities for media to act independently and freely, many things that need to be changed."
"My only direct contact with him was in Copenhagen under the climate conference. One has then to remember that the economy of Venezuela is in large parts built upon selling oil. He [Chávez] was anything but constructive and tried up to the last to stop the climate conference from entering any kind of agreement."
I believe these statements are highly relevant to the article as a whole and I will add them to it.
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I reworked it into a simple list. In the process, I had to split references from claims. Everyone on the list is backed up by one of the references there. Perhaps someone would like to match them up inline, or just leave as is. But don't delete any as unsourced. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:19, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
I've seen news stories that a photograph of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad comforting Chavez's mother has led to considerable controversy with Iranian religious authorities. Should this be mentioned in the article? I don't think it belongs in the Hugo Chávez article, but for an article specifically about the Death/Funeral that it belongs. Naraht ( talk) 15:02, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
It belongs in Ahmadinejad's article. That's about it. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:50, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
From the existing AP reference, "Venezuela's constitution specifies that the speaker of the National Assembly, currently Diosdado Cabello, should assume the interim presidency if a president can't be sworn in." I don't know much about Venezuelan politics, but that's at odds with Chávez's running mate being sworn in. (I noted it as such in the lead.) Diosdado Cabello's article states "Cabello's current status after the death of Hugo Chávez is disputed. Some argue that Cabello is constitutionally the acting President while the power remains in the hands of Nicolás Maduro", so this does seem rather relevant. – 2001:db8:: ( rfc | diff) 00:49, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
I think it would be controversial to discuss political squabbles in an article about a man's funeral. Better left in Maduro and Cabello's articles, or those about the presidency and government of Venezuela. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:49, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
The entire 'reactions' section is just one huge copy-paste of rhetoric from politicians and heads of state. It's of no real relevance, and ought to be removed. If needs be, it could be consolidated into a smaller section written in prose, like for that of Néstor Kirchner -- Ohconfucius ping / poke 04:21, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
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