This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 |
I've removed the statement that, in the post-credits scene from X-Men Origins: Wolverine. While his mouth makes a hissing sound at the end, there's no good source given for that breaking the fourth wall. There was no gesture to indicate he was "shushing" in the first place. If this is going to be in an article, there needs to be a very good source. A blog claiming he was breaking the fourth wall wouldn't work. It would have to be Ryan Reynolds confirming it or something like that. Friginator ( talk) 03:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
i dont know if its breaking the fourth wall, nor do i care. but in the film it clearly is a "shhh". but it keeps being removed because its on the basis of speculation. but when it sounds excatly like a "shhh" and not a hsss, why is it speculation? i'm not speculating the reason behind it, im just saying what happened considering ive had to hear that noise on a daily basis form having to clean up theaters as an usher. but if there must be decention about the noise, why cant it at the very least be put in the page that a noise is made? Largoss ( talk) 05:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
By that rationale then you can argue much plots or articles on wikipedia then can be a violation of wiki's term. When commenting about the plot of a movie you can use the movie as a source, which is being used as a source for the sound because its what the sound sounds like. So how is it unsorced. It seems more not that you think its unsourced, so much as you dont agree with the sound. Well if you cant agree that the sound is a sh (and once again I'm not putting in about the fourth wall break because I have no proof for that) why not at least allow someone to put on the page that he opens his eyes and makes a noise, because as is, it doesnt tell the whole story of the scene. Largoss ( talk) 22:38, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thank you. hopefully this will be a good enough compromise for everyone. i mean those like myself think because of the history of the character and the sound that its a "sh" get something, but those who, for an also equally valid reason like yourself, think that because it wasn't stated to be said noise also get something because we arent stating what the argument is. thank you Largoss ( talk) 02:03, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry but he does break the fourth wall. It is OBVIOUSLY a shush or "shhh". Why would he look at the camera and hiss? He broke the fourth wall, it's obvious. You don't need the producers or directors to come out and say it, use your own brains. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.35.2 ( talk)
I have read this discussion and do not feel it is finished. Deadpool clearly says "Shh", which according to the Random House Dictionary is an interjection used to urge silence. I have added a source but user Friginator insists on removing it due to some personal bias against the way the character is portrayed in the film, or perhaps the result of an inability to understand the english language. Please continue to discuss. The way the article is written now ("...and makes a noise.") is ridiculous. If someone reads this article it will leave them asking the question "What noise does Deadpool make?" This is not informative at all. Faethon Ghost ( talk) 20:12, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't want to get into a fight about this. But just because Reynolds has been confirmed to be playing the Green Lantern in the up and coming film in no way discredits him as the actor portraying Deadpool in the future Deadpool feature. There are several sources that have interviewed with him and he is involved with the project. That doesn't mean that he won't be in the DP movie. Afterall, James Marsden still appeared in X3 despite being in Superman Returns. Sure, his role was reduced, but being in one did not remove him from the other. Until there is a source saying he isn't playing Deadpool, we shouldn't jump the gun.-- TriPredRavage ( talk) 01:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
As evident by my accidently unsigned post, there is a source. I have added it to the page now as well.-- TriPredRavage ( talk) 01:36, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Part of Deadpool's history, including his role in Secret Invasion as well as Dark Reign with his ongoing series, has been deleted. For what reason, I do not know. It could be a mistake but I added it back to be sure. I need someone to fix the links inside it because I am rather inexperienced at it. Thanks. Atin25 ( talk) 01:32, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
I assume it was deleted because it's so long, but I'm fine with it like that. Shortening it a bit wouldn't hurt, though. Friginator ( talk) 03:05, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
It was merged and edited into the publication section as part of an on-going effort to remove the lavish in-universe overdetail that exists in the fictional history. We treat characters as an object of the narrative not as if they are real. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 06:50, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
yo, peepls, some1 stop dis guy...hes gonna delete evrytinh, like he did with taht doc dude's...plz, guys, dont let him do dis...HE'S ONLY DOIN IT CUZ I SAID I LIKED DEADPOOOL ON DR. STRANGE TALK, YO! SEE FR URSELVES! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deadpoolfan77 ( talk • contribs) 07:08, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes that's it - I'm cleaning up the article to comply with our minimum standards because you said you liked the character... -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 07:20, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Look Cameron Scott your just a bully with a computer if you don't get along with some one you delete stuff from that page, just go look for more spam and leave the comic section alone, oh your so great deleting information for no reason for your own gain, i mean does this really help some one who just got in to deadpool and wanted to look him up, instead of taking the easy way out and deleting stuff you don't like why don't you actually read the comic and contribute to it (no wonder people don't like you) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wadex92 ( talk • contribs) 07:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
mr, scott, really...plz...i mean, this is just ridiculus...deadpool is really awsome; why u no do dis before, then, and second AFTER i mentioned? ??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deadpoolfan77 ( talk • contribs) 17:58, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
...Cute...like, she watns proper english...on TALK pg... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tubesgirl ( talk • contribs) 17:12, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
guys, PLZ. i mean, scotts way obssessed with deletin EVRYTING HERE. mr. scott, serius, go cleen up SPAM. KK? ty much, yo. were cool, rite, mr,. scott? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deadpoolfan77 ( talk • contribs) 09:09, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I return from a week long holiday & someone removes all of the fictional info on the greatest comic book character of all time, & replaces itwith a small bit about his origin, that's not fictional character Bio, that's, fictional Origin, Yes he's not real, but every other comic character has a large page long article on their biography, Scott, why? You think it's too long, (Wolverine has it's own page for his biography) you wanted to mess with everyone as a joke, you're a bully, what reason do you have? I'm going to try to find the information & repost it, but don't delete it, I may be new as an accont but I have worked as an IP user for some time & I know that they deserve more information than that on an article.-- The One & Only ( talk) 14:31, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
I was
WP:BOLD and junked the fictional characer bio. It was based solely on
primary sources and constiuted
original research. Anything added to the page must be backed by reliable secondary sources, not the comics themselves. As the comics are primary sources, they cannot assert importance, and imparting importance upon them without a citation by a secondary source constitutes original research, and any such information added to the article can be challenged and removed per Wikipedia guidelines.
WesleyDodds (
talk)
10:32, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
(sighs...) well, this sure is gonna make cameron real popular with marvel users here...but not my business, so...:)
From what I've gathered is that the three main points of removing the information is 1) It's too long, & 2) Fictional character Biographies break several policies, & 3) He's a fictional character, not real, well answers: 1) take out the fat or give it it's own page, 2) It's not just comics that get their fictional biographies, Cartoon, TV, Book, Game & many other fictional characters, every single fictional character in history gets his/her own biography, from Sonic the Hedgehog to Jesus Christ, all fictional characters who are in Wikipedia have a bio, so in your logic we have to go through every fictional character in history & delete everything in their bio section? & 3) yes, he is, but, I have this theory that every form of fiction is really an alternate reality, eg, in some reality Osborn is taken over the world, in another everyone is yellow, & another Chandler & Monica did adopt twins, while this is just a theory & means nothing, is there any evidence saying that it isn't true, but let me ask you this, if someone goes to wiki for information about a characters past, or to catch up with what's happened lately, & they find nothing, won that ruin wiki's reputation with people?-- The One & Only ( talk) 19:56, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
yeah...but no1 cares now bout marvel WIKIPEDIA pgs...so... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tubesgirl ( talk • contribs) 16:07, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
I have to ask, Cameron and Dodds, what the hell were you thinking? Why on earth would you do such a thorough removal of content, especially without consulting with anyone else first? Unless you're going to do the same for EVERY OTHER COMIC BOOK CHARACTER, why would you even consider removing so much information, especially the fictional biography? I agree that it was a bit too lengthy and could use some revisions to condense it, but as it stands now, anyone who actually wants to learn about the character himself and not the influences has been left totally in the dark. Not to mention that a lot of relevant information's been deleted, including some in-other-media appearances and anything having to do with the character's alternate universe versions (two things which, again, almost every other major comic book character article has). Not to mention that according to the character pages section of WP:WikiProject_Comics/exemplars, character pages should include sections for a fictional biography, powers and abilities, and other versions, all of which were things you deleted without consulting the larger community of editors first. So unless you want to singlehandedly rewrite Wikipedia's guidelines for comics-related articles and alter the pages for Batman, Robin, Spider-Man, and all the other characters with biographies, I'd STRONGLY recommend restoring the deleted information, then trimming out the excess events that don't play a critical role to Deadpool's backstory (particularly in regards to the needlessly long section on the newest series). And if you don't, I will. -- Cyberlink420 ( talk) 19:46, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
"Why did you choose the Deadpool article as the primary target of your so called editing?" because someone on another article said "why did you start with this article why not another article like deadpool?" We have thousands of articles and you can't edit them all at the same time... -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 06:18, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Some fairly bizzare statements, it's hard to know where to start:
1) instead of just going on a deletion spree for everything you don't like, I'll be forced to call in a dispute resolution moderator to remove you.
Since we don't have dispute resolution moderators, best of luck in look finding one. We have a dispute resolution process but since everyone of my edits has been in line with common practice and policy, while you are welcome to enter the process, it's not something that worries me. But while we are handing out threats, if you continue to make statements like "Stop acting like a baby", I will have you blocked for personal attacks - just so we are clear on that.
2)(which, I might add, every character is entitled to under WP:COMICS)
Since WP:COMIC says nothing of the sort I have no idea why you think that. What it *does* say is that Summarization should never be on a per-issue basis and should only outline the plot rather than describe minor details. Additionally, plot descriptions must include cited reference to critical analysis published in secondary sources. Editors should approach the discussion of fictional concepts within a "real world context"; this means editors should describe fictional elements in terms of how they relate to the real world, as fictional characters or topics. which is what I have been doing. One of the few articles in the comic area about a superhero that has been graded as FA (our highest level of quality) is that of Captain Marvel that does not even have a fictional bio, so it's a bizarre idea to suggest that one must be included. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 13:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
If you can write a bio from secondary sources that provide critical analysis and are not simple a recap of the plot, you go for it. Where you get this idea that a plot summary should be based around primary sources is beyond me - without secondary sources to indicate importance, how do you decide on relevance without getting into original research? read again plot descriptions must include cited reference to critical analysis published in secondary sources.. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 14:31, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Basically we have a lot of crap articles that needs re-writing - part of the problem is that when people see the in-universe content, they thinks that's the right way to proceed. Clean-up of all of those types of articles is going to take years. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 16:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Cameron, please...not evry1 so happy you call their edits 'crap'...so...;) Coolio! gl here, man! ur a grate guy! hope evry1 likes u! :) :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tubesgirl ( talk • contribs) 17:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
KK, guys...just delete the freakin article, then, if its got SO many freakin probs...wilson's like, KK, but...this skeleton pg is just sad 2 look at...look, im srry, but mr. scott callin the pg crap is...nuff said, guyz... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tubesgirl ( talk • contribs) 18:48, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
You could ask for mediation but they are not going to tell you any different. The problems with in-universe entries and lengthy bios is discussed at WP:IN-U which is a good read for anyone new to the concept. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 22:15, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Which is simply a summary of the plot based on the primary sources... You have to understand this, why we mention something is not because it happened in the comics but because independent reliable sources wrote about it. Batman Year one is a notable story because of the impact it had on the development of the character, this can be sourced to secondary sources etc. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 08:41, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
He doesn't even have a character history anymore. Seriously, what the hell? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.13.140.179 ( talk) 22:26, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Cameron Scott, if you're gonna do this to Deadpool and Dpc Strange's page you need to do it to every other comic character as well. I know for a fact that Wolverine, Spiderman, and Batman have "Fictional Character Biographies", and that's just off the top of my head. I'm not saying what you are doing is wrong, just that if you do it to 1 comic book character you have to do it fo rthe rest of them as well.
Red08 (
talk)red08 —Preceding
undated comment added
10:39, 21 November 2009 (UTC).
There is a gap in the article in that no versions in the history has anyone written about the vol 1 period between issue 30 and the end of the series. Anyone want to add something to the publication history about this period? -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 09:55, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Um, not really...no1 likes the pg now, so...:) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tubesgirl ( talk • contribs) 18:43, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
For those who might not remember, Deadpool appeared in the alternate reality Earth of 5700. He was a member of the X-Men which was lead by Wolverine. Even here, he still retained most of his witty, psychotic character (though not his fourth wall breaking style) and even says that the only reason he was invited to join was so the team would have "a token human." Anyway, the character was part of a strike force to defeat the Director (and/or Sublime), but was killed when that world's Agent Zero was taken over by the foe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.172.178.127 ( talk) 05:24, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
um, no duh...ppls whos scared of wade erased EVERYTHING. but its ok with dem... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tubesgirl ( talk • contribs) 17:08, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Well I'm not comic book expert, but I'm fairly certain Deadpool has the power to teleport. I mean wasn't that how he god rid of Al and escaped Tiamat (among other things). Just putting it out there, I'm not adding it because I don't feel like it and I have no source, but it is something that is missing. Adroa ( talk) 08:38, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't know where to add this, but doesn't Deadpool think in french at the end of Cable and Deadpool, issue #50 "my bon mots" after getting self-speared in the head? Shouldn't that be added to the languages he speaks? 98.122.133.114 ( talk) 02:39, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
So, I've been keeping pretty up to date on DP's bib (particularly in the collected editions section), but I have a question: is Deadpool's collected editions more up to Wiki standards, or is the Cable & Deadpool's collected editions? I ask, becuase they are vastly different. I'd be willing to update either to meet Wiki standards, I'm just not positive on which is more correct. Help?-- TriPredRavage ( talk) 17:44, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Cable and deadpool needs a rewrite. --
Cameron Scott (
talk)
05:54, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
hmmm...maybe delte whole sec. to improve WIKIPEDEA? (just suggestion, man...) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tubesgirl ( talk • contribs) 18:58, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't think there's a need for a bibliography in the article as long as you mention the titles that Deadpool starred in in the prose. Definitely don't need to list every single comic he ever appeared in. WesleyDodds ( talk) 07:21, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
On the bibliography I took out some of the TPBs in the appearances list; I realise the having every single Deadpool appearance included is important, but the reader may be confused into buying the Wolverine: Origins Our War TPB, where if memory serves me right 'Pool appeared in one page only, similarly very limited appearances in Ms Marvel and Weapon X: First Class; I reserve judgement on White Tiger since I've not read that. User:Ermol 21 August 2009 (P.S. btw how do you do that template thingie that automatically signs your name and date in talk pages?) —Preceding undated comment added 11:42, 21 August 2009 (UTC).
ditto! tell us, sine! HOW? (plz...) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tubesgirl ( talk • contribs) 15:02, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
girl, yo, just tell me were the buton IS!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tubesgirl ( talk • contribs) 18:12, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Cheers buddy Ermol ( talk) 11:44, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Alrighty, I've updated both Deadpool and Cable & Deadpool's collected editions. I removed White Tiger and X-Force from Deadpool's because in White Tiger, I think he's in all of two pages, and the X-Force book actually takes place in the middle of Cable & Deadpool vol.3, so I added it there instead.-- TriPredRavage ( talk) 04:01, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
this 'damn article'...? lol... Tubesgirl ( talk) 21:40, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
I see that the same person that deleted Cable's history had a hand in doing this as well. I just don't see why we can't discuss this before ONE persone decides for everyone else what should be in the article. I understand Wiki's policies, but the fact of the matter is, there is barely any information on these characters now, and Cable has been like that for at least a year, with minimal updates made by some other people. It just seems a little selfish to go ahead and change a whole article but not put anything back in there so people who are interested can learn about that particular character. Drunknesmonsta ( talk) 19:32, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Well write a bio then - but make sure it a) does not treats the character as an object of the narrative and b) is not written in an in-universe fashion. if you do it that way, it's impossible to delete. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 20:15, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Your inflexibility and your unwillingness to admit fault are truly awe-inspiring Pope Cameron
Can we keep this discussion civil, please? It's not worth attacking each other. I definitely think that the info should stay, but it needs some work. Deleting it all doesn't seem helpful, but right now it lacks sources and isn't written in an encyclopedic manner. Friginator ( talk) 02:20, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
You need to establish notability of super-powers via reliable secondary sources that deal with the subject in an out-of-universe manner. "Alternate versions" do not warrant a separate section, despite what you might see in other character articles; if they are notable, deal with them in the "Publication history" section. Overall, the stories themselves are not acceptable forms of reference. WesleyDodds ( talk) 08:42, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
I've removed the sentence claiming Deadpool's first example of breaking the fourth wall was in Deadpool #4. Just to clear thingfs up, the first example of Deadpool breaking the fourth wall was in Deadpool: The Circle Chase #1, the very first Deadpool solo comic. He recognizes and repeats the "KLIK" sound effect when a gun is pointed at his head. Something similar happens in Joe Kelly's first issue with the sound effect "PWANGG." Friginator ( talk) 00:13, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
There is no way this section can be kept without discussion by reliable third-party sources. As it stands it's original research and must be removed. WesleyDodds ( talk) 08:39, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that at the bottom bar of this page there is a hyperlink that says "c-class marvel characters." I personally think Deadpool is above the alphabet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.25.91.182 ( talk) 22:01, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
In addition to being in the Top 50 most popular Wikipedia articles for 2009 as mentioned above, this article is the third most popular WikiProject Comics article. Seems to me like we ought to whip it into shape. Another editor suggested starting a Good Article Review for it. Thoughts/comments? -- GentlemanGhost ( talk) 23:29, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
There are two other Deadpool versions that have not been added. The first is the Millennial Visions imagining which has Deadpool become a hunter of mutants. He was hired by Sebastion Shaw and used his resources to exterminate most of the mutated population. The only ones remaining were about four or five X-Men and they all hid out in Tokyo, Japan.
A second version is the Exiles teammate turned antagonist. He first appeared as part of AOA Sabretooth's Weapon X team before being frozen within the headquarters. After being brought back by Exile's Dr. Strange, he tried to take over the HQ. However, he was stopped by the heroic Exiles team and was killed by an alternate She-Hulk (who I think was her worlds Hulk).
Thirdly, there is the Swordsman of the Heroes Reborn Universe. Though he is rather normal and serious, it turns out that he was that universe's Deadpool who used to be the leader of that world's superhero group known as "The Remnants".
Also, I don't know whether or not you should keep the DC Superman/Batman character as an actual AU Deadpool. Though it is possible that he may be the merc, you have to remember that it's still a DC publication. Even if the same writer was involved, he had the same mannerisms, and kept saying "Dea-", that still doesn't mean the character's a direct alternate of Deadpool. If that were the case, then that would mean the actual Deathstroke could be considered an alternate version of Deadpool himself (which would be an oddity in itself).—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.166.142.254 ( talk) 04:19, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
About the Superman/Batman thing, it shouldn't be in AU section, but perhaps the 2000's section? I know someone said this before, but I just want to suggest it again. It is DC, and it's not really Deadpool, but it should at least be mentioned because of how much they are alike. Just my thinking on it, but I'll leave it alone for now. Atin25 ( talk) 21:41, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 |
I've removed the statement that, in the post-credits scene from X-Men Origins: Wolverine. While his mouth makes a hissing sound at the end, there's no good source given for that breaking the fourth wall. There was no gesture to indicate he was "shushing" in the first place. If this is going to be in an article, there needs to be a very good source. A blog claiming he was breaking the fourth wall wouldn't work. It would have to be Ryan Reynolds confirming it or something like that. Friginator ( talk) 03:51, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
i dont know if its breaking the fourth wall, nor do i care. but in the film it clearly is a "shhh". but it keeps being removed because its on the basis of speculation. but when it sounds excatly like a "shhh" and not a hsss, why is it speculation? i'm not speculating the reason behind it, im just saying what happened considering ive had to hear that noise on a daily basis form having to clean up theaters as an usher. but if there must be decention about the noise, why cant it at the very least be put in the page that a noise is made? Largoss ( talk) 05:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
By that rationale then you can argue much plots or articles on wikipedia then can be a violation of wiki's term. When commenting about the plot of a movie you can use the movie as a source, which is being used as a source for the sound because its what the sound sounds like. So how is it unsorced. It seems more not that you think its unsourced, so much as you dont agree with the sound. Well if you cant agree that the sound is a sh (and once again I'm not putting in about the fourth wall break because I have no proof for that) why not at least allow someone to put on the page that he opens his eyes and makes a noise, because as is, it doesnt tell the whole story of the scene. Largoss ( talk) 22:38, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thank you. hopefully this will be a good enough compromise for everyone. i mean those like myself think because of the history of the character and the sound that its a "sh" get something, but those who, for an also equally valid reason like yourself, think that because it wasn't stated to be said noise also get something because we arent stating what the argument is. thank you Largoss ( talk) 02:03, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry but he does break the fourth wall. It is OBVIOUSLY a shush or "shhh". Why would he look at the camera and hiss? He broke the fourth wall, it's obvious. You don't need the producers or directors to come out and say it, use your own brains. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.35.2 ( talk)
I have read this discussion and do not feel it is finished. Deadpool clearly says "Shh", which according to the Random House Dictionary is an interjection used to urge silence. I have added a source but user Friginator insists on removing it due to some personal bias against the way the character is portrayed in the film, or perhaps the result of an inability to understand the english language. Please continue to discuss. The way the article is written now ("...and makes a noise.") is ridiculous. If someone reads this article it will leave them asking the question "What noise does Deadpool make?" This is not informative at all. Faethon Ghost ( talk) 20:12, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't want to get into a fight about this. But just because Reynolds has been confirmed to be playing the Green Lantern in the up and coming film in no way discredits him as the actor portraying Deadpool in the future Deadpool feature. There are several sources that have interviewed with him and he is involved with the project. That doesn't mean that he won't be in the DP movie. Afterall, James Marsden still appeared in X3 despite being in Superman Returns. Sure, his role was reduced, but being in one did not remove him from the other. Until there is a source saying he isn't playing Deadpool, we shouldn't jump the gun.-- TriPredRavage ( talk) 01:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
As evident by my accidently unsigned post, there is a source. I have added it to the page now as well.-- TriPredRavage ( talk) 01:36, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Part of Deadpool's history, including his role in Secret Invasion as well as Dark Reign with his ongoing series, has been deleted. For what reason, I do not know. It could be a mistake but I added it back to be sure. I need someone to fix the links inside it because I am rather inexperienced at it. Thanks. Atin25 ( talk) 01:32, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
I assume it was deleted because it's so long, but I'm fine with it like that. Shortening it a bit wouldn't hurt, though. Friginator ( talk) 03:05, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
It was merged and edited into the publication section as part of an on-going effort to remove the lavish in-universe overdetail that exists in the fictional history. We treat characters as an object of the narrative not as if they are real. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 06:50, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
yo, peepls, some1 stop dis guy...hes gonna delete evrytinh, like he did with taht doc dude's...plz, guys, dont let him do dis...HE'S ONLY DOIN IT CUZ I SAID I LIKED DEADPOOOL ON DR. STRANGE TALK, YO! SEE FR URSELVES! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deadpoolfan77 ( talk • contribs) 07:08, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes that's it - I'm cleaning up the article to comply with our minimum standards because you said you liked the character... -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 07:20, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Look Cameron Scott your just a bully with a computer if you don't get along with some one you delete stuff from that page, just go look for more spam and leave the comic section alone, oh your so great deleting information for no reason for your own gain, i mean does this really help some one who just got in to deadpool and wanted to look him up, instead of taking the easy way out and deleting stuff you don't like why don't you actually read the comic and contribute to it (no wonder people don't like you) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wadex92 ( talk • contribs) 07:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
mr, scott, really...plz...i mean, this is just ridiculus...deadpool is really awsome; why u no do dis before, then, and second AFTER i mentioned? ??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deadpoolfan77 ( talk • contribs) 17:58, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
...Cute...like, she watns proper english...on TALK pg... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tubesgirl ( talk • contribs) 17:12, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
guys, PLZ. i mean, scotts way obssessed with deletin EVRYTING HERE. mr. scott, serius, go cleen up SPAM. KK? ty much, yo. were cool, rite, mr,. scott? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deadpoolfan77 ( talk • contribs) 09:09, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I return from a week long holiday & someone removes all of the fictional info on the greatest comic book character of all time, & replaces itwith a small bit about his origin, that's not fictional character Bio, that's, fictional Origin, Yes he's not real, but every other comic character has a large page long article on their biography, Scott, why? You think it's too long, (Wolverine has it's own page for his biography) you wanted to mess with everyone as a joke, you're a bully, what reason do you have? I'm going to try to find the information & repost it, but don't delete it, I may be new as an accont but I have worked as an IP user for some time & I know that they deserve more information than that on an article.-- The One & Only ( talk) 14:31, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
I was
WP:BOLD and junked the fictional characer bio. It was based solely on
primary sources and constiuted
original research. Anything added to the page must be backed by reliable secondary sources, not the comics themselves. As the comics are primary sources, they cannot assert importance, and imparting importance upon them without a citation by a secondary source constitutes original research, and any such information added to the article can be challenged and removed per Wikipedia guidelines.
WesleyDodds (
talk)
10:32, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
(sighs...) well, this sure is gonna make cameron real popular with marvel users here...but not my business, so...:)
From what I've gathered is that the three main points of removing the information is 1) It's too long, & 2) Fictional character Biographies break several policies, & 3) He's a fictional character, not real, well answers: 1) take out the fat or give it it's own page, 2) It's not just comics that get their fictional biographies, Cartoon, TV, Book, Game & many other fictional characters, every single fictional character in history gets his/her own biography, from Sonic the Hedgehog to Jesus Christ, all fictional characters who are in Wikipedia have a bio, so in your logic we have to go through every fictional character in history & delete everything in their bio section? & 3) yes, he is, but, I have this theory that every form of fiction is really an alternate reality, eg, in some reality Osborn is taken over the world, in another everyone is yellow, & another Chandler & Monica did adopt twins, while this is just a theory & means nothing, is there any evidence saying that it isn't true, but let me ask you this, if someone goes to wiki for information about a characters past, or to catch up with what's happened lately, & they find nothing, won that ruin wiki's reputation with people?-- The One & Only ( talk) 19:56, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
yeah...but no1 cares now bout marvel WIKIPEDIA pgs...so... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tubesgirl ( talk • contribs) 16:07, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
I have to ask, Cameron and Dodds, what the hell were you thinking? Why on earth would you do such a thorough removal of content, especially without consulting with anyone else first? Unless you're going to do the same for EVERY OTHER COMIC BOOK CHARACTER, why would you even consider removing so much information, especially the fictional biography? I agree that it was a bit too lengthy and could use some revisions to condense it, but as it stands now, anyone who actually wants to learn about the character himself and not the influences has been left totally in the dark. Not to mention that a lot of relevant information's been deleted, including some in-other-media appearances and anything having to do with the character's alternate universe versions (two things which, again, almost every other major comic book character article has). Not to mention that according to the character pages section of WP:WikiProject_Comics/exemplars, character pages should include sections for a fictional biography, powers and abilities, and other versions, all of which were things you deleted without consulting the larger community of editors first. So unless you want to singlehandedly rewrite Wikipedia's guidelines for comics-related articles and alter the pages for Batman, Robin, Spider-Man, and all the other characters with biographies, I'd STRONGLY recommend restoring the deleted information, then trimming out the excess events that don't play a critical role to Deadpool's backstory (particularly in regards to the needlessly long section on the newest series). And if you don't, I will. -- Cyberlink420 ( talk) 19:46, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
"Why did you choose the Deadpool article as the primary target of your so called editing?" because someone on another article said "why did you start with this article why not another article like deadpool?" We have thousands of articles and you can't edit them all at the same time... -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 06:18, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Some fairly bizzare statements, it's hard to know where to start:
1) instead of just going on a deletion spree for everything you don't like, I'll be forced to call in a dispute resolution moderator to remove you.
Since we don't have dispute resolution moderators, best of luck in look finding one. We have a dispute resolution process but since everyone of my edits has been in line with common practice and policy, while you are welcome to enter the process, it's not something that worries me. But while we are handing out threats, if you continue to make statements like "Stop acting like a baby", I will have you blocked for personal attacks - just so we are clear on that.
2)(which, I might add, every character is entitled to under WP:COMICS)
Since WP:COMIC says nothing of the sort I have no idea why you think that. What it *does* say is that Summarization should never be on a per-issue basis and should only outline the plot rather than describe minor details. Additionally, plot descriptions must include cited reference to critical analysis published in secondary sources. Editors should approach the discussion of fictional concepts within a "real world context"; this means editors should describe fictional elements in terms of how they relate to the real world, as fictional characters or topics. which is what I have been doing. One of the few articles in the comic area about a superhero that has been graded as FA (our highest level of quality) is that of Captain Marvel that does not even have a fictional bio, so it's a bizarre idea to suggest that one must be included. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 13:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
If you can write a bio from secondary sources that provide critical analysis and are not simple a recap of the plot, you go for it. Where you get this idea that a plot summary should be based around primary sources is beyond me - without secondary sources to indicate importance, how do you decide on relevance without getting into original research? read again plot descriptions must include cited reference to critical analysis published in secondary sources.. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 14:31, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Basically we have a lot of crap articles that needs re-writing - part of the problem is that when people see the in-universe content, they thinks that's the right way to proceed. Clean-up of all of those types of articles is going to take years. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 16:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Cameron, please...not evry1 so happy you call their edits 'crap'...so...;) Coolio! gl here, man! ur a grate guy! hope evry1 likes u! :) :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tubesgirl ( talk • contribs) 17:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
KK, guys...just delete the freakin article, then, if its got SO many freakin probs...wilson's like, KK, but...this skeleton pg is just sad 2 look at...look, im srry, but mr. scott callin the pg crap is...nuff said, guyz... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tubesgirl ( talk • contribs) 18:48, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
You could ask for mediation but they are not going to tell you any different. The problems with in-universe entries and lengthy bios is discussed at WP:IN-U which is a good read for anyone new to the concept. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 22:15, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Which is simply a summary of the plot based on the primary sources... You have to understand this, why we mention something is not because it happened in the comics but because independent reliable sources wrote about it. Batman Year one is a notable story because of the impact it had on the development of the character, this can be sourced to secondary sources etc. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 08:41, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
He doesn't even have a character history anymore. Seriously, what the hell? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.13.140.179 ( talk) 22:26, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Cameron Scott, if you're gonna do this to Deadpool and Dpc Strange's page you need to do it to every other comic character as well. I know for a fact that Wolverine, Spiderman, and Batman have "Fictional Character Biographies", and that's just off the top of my head. I'm not saying what you are doing is wrong, just that if you do it to 1 comic book character you have to do it fo rthe rest of them as well.
Red08 (
talk)red08 —Preceding
undated comment added
10:39, 21 November 2009 (UTC).
There is a gap in the article in that no versions in the history has anyone written about the vol 1 period between issue 30 and the end of the series. Anyone want to add something to the publication history about this period? -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 09:55, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Um, not really...no1 likes the pg now, so...:) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tubesgirl ( talk • contribs) 18:43, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
For those who might not remember, Deadpool appeared in the alternate reality Earth of 5700. He was a member of the X-Men which was lead by Wolverine. Even here, he still retained most of his witty, psychotic character (though not his fourth wall breaking style) and even says that the only reason he was invited to join was so the team would have "a token human." Anyway, the character was part of a strike force to defeat the Director (and/or Sublime), but was killed when that world's Agent Zero was taken over by the foe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.172.178.127 ( talk) 05:24, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
um, no duh...ppls whos scared of wade erased EVERYTHING. but its ok with dem... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tubesgirl ( talk • contribs) 17:08, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Well I'm not comic book expert, but I'm fairly certain Deadpool has the power to teleport. I mean wasn't that how he god rid of Al and escaped Tiamat (among other things). Just putting it out there, I'm not adding it because I don't feel like it and I have no source, but it is something that is missing. Adroa ( talk) 08:38, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't know where to add this, but doesn't Deadpool think in french at the end of Cable and Deadpool, issue #50 "my bon mots" after getting self-speared in the head? Shouldn't that be added to the languages he speaks? 98.122.133.114 ( talk) 02:39, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
So, I've been keeping pretty up to date on DP's bib (particularly in the collected editions section), but I have a question: is Deadpool's collected editions more up to Wiki standards, or is the Cable & Deadpool's collected editions? I ask, becuase they are vastly different. I'd be willing to update either to meet Wiki standards, I'm just not positive on which is more correct. Help?-- TriPredRavage ( talk) 17:44, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Cable and deadpool needs a rewrite. --
Cameron Scott (
talk)
05:54, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
hmmm...maybe delte whole sec. to improve WIKIPEDEA? (just suggestion, man...) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tubesgirl ( talk • contribs) 18:58, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't think there's a need for a bibliography in the article as long as you mention the titles that Deadpool starred in in the prose. Definitely don't need to list every single comic he ever appeared in. WesleyDodds ( talk) 07:21, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
On the bibliography I took out some of the TPBs in the appearances list; I realise the having every single Deadpool appearance included is important, but the reader may be confused into buying the Wolverine: Origins Our War TPB, where if memory serves me right 'Pool appeared in one page only, similarly very limited appearances in Ms Marvel and Weapon X: First Class; I reserve judgement on White Tiger since I've not read that. User:Ermol 21 August 2009 (P.S. btw how do you do that template thingie that automatically signs your name and date in talk pages?) —Preceding undated comment added 11:42, 21 August 2009 (UTC).
ditto! tell us, sine! HOW? (plz...) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tubesgirl ( talk • contribs) 15:02, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
girl, yo, just tell me were the buton IS!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tubesgirl ( talk • contribs) 18:12, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Cheers buddy Ermol ( talk) 11:44, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Alrighty, I've updated both Deadpool and Cable & Deadpool's collected editions. I removed White Tiger and X-Force from Deadpool's because in White Tiger, I think he's in all of two pages, and the X-Force book actually takes place in the middle of Cable & Deadpool vol.3, so I added it there instead.-- TriPredRavage ( talk) 04:01, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
this 'damn article'...? lol... Tubesgirl ( talk) 21:40, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
I see that the same person that deleted Cable's history had a hand in doing this as well. I just don't see why we can't discuss this before ONE persone decides for everyone else what should be in the article. I understand Wiki's policies, but the fact of the matter is, there is barely any information on these characters now, and Cable has been like that for at least a year, with minimal updates made by some other people. It just seems a little selfish to go ahead and change a whole article but not put anything back in there so people who are interested can learn about that particular character. Drunknesmonsta ( talk) 19:32, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Well write a bio then - but make sure it a) does not treats the character as an object of the narrative and b) is not written in an in-universe fashion. if you do it that way, it's impossible to delete. -- Cameron Scott ( talk) 20:15, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Your inflexibility and your unwillingness to admit fault are truly awe-inspiring Pope Cameron
Can we keep this discussion civil, please? It's not worth attacking each other. I definitely think that the info should stay, but it needs some work. Deleting it all doesn't seem helpful, but right now it lacks sources and isn't written in an encyclopedic manner. Friginator ( talk) 02:20, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
You need to establish notability of super-powers via reliable secondary sources that deal with the subject in an out-of-universe manner. "Alternate versions" do not warrant a separate section, despite what you might see in other character articles; if they are notable, deal with them in the "Publication history" section. Overall, the stories themselves are not acceptable forms of reference. WesleyDodds ( talk) 08:42, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
I've removed the sentence claiming Deadpool's first example of breaking the fourth wall was in Deadpool #4. Just to clear thingfs up, the first example of Deadpool breaking the fourth wall was in Deadpool: The Circle Chase #1, the very first Deadpool solo comic. He recognizes and repeats the "KLIK" sound effect when a gun is pointed at his head. Something similar happens in Joe Kelly's first issue with the sound effect "PWANGG." Friginator ( talk) 00:13, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
There is no way this section can be kept without discussion by reliable third-party sources. As it stands it's original research and must be removed. WesleyDodds ( talk) 08:39, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that at the bottom bar of this page there is a hyperlink that says "c-class marvel characters." I personally think Deadpool is above the alphabet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.25.91.182 ( talk) 22:01, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
In addition to being in the Top 50 most popular Wikipedia articles for 2009 as mentioned above, this article is the third most popular WikiProject Comics article. Seems to me like we ought to whip it into shape. Another editor suggested starting a Good Article Review for it. Thoughts/comments? -- GentlemanGhost ( talk) 23:29, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
There are two other Deadpool versions that have not been added. The first is the Millennial Visions imagining which has Deadpool become a hunter of mutants. He was hired by Sebastion Shaw and used his resources to exterminate most of the mutated population. The only ones remaining were about four or five X-Men and they all hid out in Tokyo, Japan.
A second version is the Exiles teammate turned antagonist. He first appeared as part of AOA Sabretooth's Weapon X team before being frozen within the headquarters. After being brought back by Exile's Dr. Strange, he tried to take over the HQ. However, he was stopped by the heroic Exiles team and was killed by an alternate She-Hulk (who I think was her worlds Hulk).
Thirdly, there is the Swordsman of the Heroes Reborn Universe. Though he is rather normal and serious, it turns out that he was that universe's Deadpool who used to be the leader of that world's superhero group known as "The Remnants".
Also, I don't know whether or not you should keep the DC Superman/Batman character as an actual AU Deadpool. Though it is possible that he may be the merc, you have to remember that it's still a DC publication. Even if the same writer was involved, he had the same mannerisms, and kept saying "Dea-", that still doesn't mean the character's a direct alternate of Deadpool. If that were the case, then that would mean the actual Deathstroke could be considered an alternate version of Deadpool himself (which would be an oddity in itself).—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.166.142.254 ( talk) 04:19, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
About the Superman/Batman thing, it shouldn't be in AU section, but perhaps the 2000's section? I know someone said this before, but I just want to suggest it again. It is DC, and it's not really Deadpool, but it should at least be mentioned because of how much they are alike. Just my thinking on it, but I'll leave it alone for now. Atin25 ( talk) 21:41, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |