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POV tag

I've added a POV tag to the article as I feel it's been highly edited by adherents pushing a very pro perspective. The language in the lead " Dawoodi Bohra communities are united by a set of centuries-old principles: an unwavering commitment to the faith; being law-abiding citizens and developing a genuine love for the country in which they live; a belief in the value of society, education, hard work and equal rights; engagement with other faiths; and a responsibility to care for the environment and all creatures that dwell within it." shows the lack of encyclopediac language. The education section needs a serious pass to cut down on unsourced claims, reduce some of the puffery and bring the tone closer to an encyclopedia. One sign is the use of primary sources in the article, there's more than really should be in the article. If the only source for something is the organization itself, especially if at any level of detail, is questionable. Ravensfire ( talk) 00:11, 6 August 2020 (UTC) reply

Thanks @ Ravensfire: Can you (or whoever is reading) re-review the article for cn and npov tags? I've sourced most text, tagged it with inline citation-needed where I couldn't, removed wp:soapbox and wp:advocacy content, reworded wp:fancruft. Though, the article still cites primary source in thedawoodibohras.com, it is only because these turn up like clock-work in online searches. That said, this article could very well be further expanded and third-party sourced from Jonah Blank's Mullahs on the Mainframe, Farhad Daftary's A Modern History of the Ismailis, Shibani Roy's The Dawoodi Bohras: An Anthropological Perspective, Abdulhussen's Gulzare Daudi for the Bohras of India, Zeynap Kayamaly's The Dawoodi Bohra Community and the Fatemid Heritage and other such books. Murtaza.aliakbar ( talk) 17:50, 28 June 2021 (UTC) reply
I'll try to when I've got a chance, but it could be a week or more depending on work and outside activities. Ravensfire ( talk) 18:21, 28 June 2021 (UTC) reply
@ Ravensfire:: Been over 24 months now and article has substantial edits by now. I'd implore you to consider removing the NPOV tag. Personally, I don't see a NPOV warranted on the entire article. If you think otherwise, can you point to what major areas need to be addressed? Thanks. Murtaza.aliakbar ( talk) 23:31, 11 February 2023 (UTC) reply
@ Ravensfire: if you're not busy, can you please re-review the article tags? Murtaza.aliakbar ( talk) 13:40, 7 May 2023 (UTC) reply
Per [[WP:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard/Archive_105#NPOV_tag_on_Dawoodi_Bohra|]], intend to relegate the NPOV tag to SOAPBOX for just the section flagged in that discussion. Murtaza.aliakbar ( talk) 22:36, 24 July 2023 (UTC) reply

Cite errors

The refs jblankinterview and yusuf2017 were both removed in this edit on the 24th of September. However both were still in use, and so are causing cite errors.

In the Muharram section of the article the first instance of this:

{{r|jblankinterview}}

should be replaced with this:

<ref name=jblankinterview>{{cite web|url=https://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/056767in.html |title=An interview with Jonah Blank, author of Mullahs on the Mainframe: Islam and Modernity among the Daudi Bohras |publisher=University of Chicago |access-date=23 October 2019 |archive-date=27 March 2014 |archive-url=https://archive.today/20140327071242/http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/056767in.html}}</ref>

In the Masjid section of the article the first instance of this:

{{r|yusuf2017}}

should be replaced with this:

<ref name=yusuf2017>{{Cite book|url=https://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/resources/UNDPLKA-People_of_Sri_Lanka.pdf |author1=Yusuf Mamujee |title=People of Sri Lanka |chapter=The Dawoodi Bohras of Sri Lanka |editor1=S. Pathmanathan |editor2=B. A. Hussainmiya |editor3=Malani Endagama |editor4=Vajira Narampanawa |editor5=Kalinga Tudor Silva |year=2017 |work=Ministry of National Coexistence, Dialogue and Official Languages, [[Government of Sri Lanka]] |isbn=9789557537030 |via=reliefweb.int |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200618104345/https://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/resources/UNDPLKA-People_of_Sri_Lanka.pdf |archive-date=18 June 2020}}</ref>

Thanks 89.241.33.89 ( talk) 19:25, 8 October 2021 (UTC) reply

 DoneSirdog ( talk) 22:22, 8 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Thank you 89.241.33.89 ( talk) 23:04, 8 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Gusool ne list

Gusool 94.128.228.210 ( talk) 02:37, 2 June 2022 (UTC) reply

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2024

Add Da'a'im al-Islam to "Scriptures" in the Infobox. This book compiles all the religious laws and commandments Bohras have to follow. 152.37.71.181 ( talk) 01:55, 20 February 2024 (UTC) reply

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jamedeus ( talk) 23:30, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2024

The Shahada on the page is wrong. that Shahada is for Sunni Muslims. The correct one is "There is no god but Allah, Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, Ali is the guardian of Allah" TMHAKIM ( talk) 10:26, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb ( talk) 14:40, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply
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POV tag

I've added a POV tag to the article as I feel it's been highly edited by adherents pushing a very pro perspective. The language in the lead " Dawoodi Bohra communities are united by a set of centuries-old principles: an unwavering commitment to the faith; being law-abiding citizens and developing a genuine love for the country in which they live; a belief in the value of society, education, hard work and equal rights; engagement with other faiths; and a responsibility to care for the environment and all creatures that dwell within it." shows the lack of encyclopediac language. The education section needs a serious pass to cut down on unsourced claims, reduce some of the puffery and bring the tone closer to an encyclopedia. One sign is the use of primary sources in the article, there's more than really should be in the article. If the only source for something is the organization itself, especially if at any level of detail, is questionable. Ravensfire ( talk) 00:11, 6 August 2020 (UTC) reply

Thanks @ Ravensfire: Can you (or whoever is reading) re-review the article for cn and npov tags? I've sourced most text, tagged it with inline citation-needed where I couldn't, removed wp:soapbox and wp:advocacy content, reworded wp:fancruft. Though, the article still cites primary source in thedawoodibohras.com, it is only because these turn up like clock-work in online searches. That said, this article could very well be further expanded and third-party sourced from Jonah Blank's Mullahs on the Mainframe, Farhad Daftary's A Modern History of the Ismailis, Shibani Roy's The Dawoodi Bohras: An Anthropological Perspective, Abdulhussen's Gulzare Daudi for the Bohras of India, Zeynap Kayamaly's The Dawoodi Bohra Community and the Fatemid Heritage and other such books. Murtaza.aliakbar ( talk) 17:50, 28 June 2021 (UTC) reply
I'll try to when I've got a chance, but it could be a week or more depending on work and outside activities. Ravensfire ( talk) 18:21, 28 June 2021 (UTC) reply
@ Ravensfire:: Been over 24 months now and article has substantial edits by now. I'd implore you to consider removing the NPOV tag. Personally, I don't see a NPOV warranted on the entire article. If you think otherwise, can you point to what major areas need to be addressed? Thanks. Murtaza.aliakbar ( talk) 23:31, 11 February 2023 (UTC) reply
@ Ravensfire: if you're not busy, can you please re-review the article tags? Murtaza.aliakbar ( talk) 13:40, 7 May 2023 (UTC) reply
Per [[WP:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard/Archive_105#NPOV_tag_on_Dawoodi_Bohra|]], intend to relegate the NPOV tag to SOAPBOX for just the section flagged in that discussion. Murtaza.aliakbar ( talk) 22:36, 24 July 2023 (UTC) reply

Cite errors

The refs jblankinterview and yusuf2017 were both removed in this edit on the 24th of September. However both were still in use, and so are causing cite errors.

In the Muharram section of the article the first instance of this:

{{r|jblankinterview}}

should be replaced with this:

<ref name=jblankinterview>{{cite web|url=https://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/056767in.html |title=An interview with Jonah Blank, author of Mullahs on the Mainframe: Islam and Modernity among the Daudi Bohras |publisher=University of Chicago |access-date=23 October 2019 |archive-date=27 March 2014 |archive-url=https://archive.today/20140327071242/http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/056767in.html}}</ref>

In the Masjid section of the article the first instance of this:

{{r|yusuf2017}}

should be replaced with this:

<ref name=yusuf2017>{{Cite book|url=https://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/resources/UNDPLKA-People_of_Sri_Lanka.pdf |author1=Yusuf Mamujee |title=People of Sri Lanka |chapter=The Dawoodi Bohras of Sri Lanka |editor1=S. Pathmanathan |editor2=B. A. Hussainmiya |editor3=Malani Endagama |editor4=Vajira Narampanawa |editor5=Kalinga Tudor Silva |year=2017 |work=Ministry of National Coexistence, Dialogue and Official Languages, [[Government of Sri Lanka]] |isbn=9789557537030 |via=reliefweb.int |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200618104345/https://reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/resources/UNDPLKA-People_of_Sri_Lanka.pdf |archive-date=18 June 2020}}</ref>

Thanks 89.241.33.89 ( talk) 19:25, 8 October 2021 (UTC) reply

 DoneSirdog ( talk) 22:22, 8 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Thank you 89.241.33.89 ( talk) 23:04, 8 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Gusool ne list

Gusool 94.128.228.210 ( talk) 02:37, 2 June 2022 (UTC) reply

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2024

Add Da'a'im al-Islam to "Scriptures" in the Infobox. This book compiles all the religious laws and commandments Bohras have to follow. 152.37.71.181 ( talk) 01:55, 20 February 2024 (UTC) reply

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jamedeus ( talk) 23:30, 5 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2024

The Shahada on the page is wrong. that Shahada is for Sunni Muslims. The correct one is "There is no god but Allah, Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, Ali is the guardian of Allah" TMHAKIM ( talk) 10:26, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb ( talk) 14:40, 21 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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