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Actually, there is some support -- just not cited here. The false affidavit was a significant legal factor in the dissention during this period. I'll try and track down the source before reinserting. WBardwin 23:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
"Battle may have been triggered by dissension within the Mormon leadership and the swearing of a false affidavit by Apostles Thomas B. Marsh and Orson Hyde."
This sequence of events is pretty well documented and comes from the Thomas B. Marsh article. The affidavit's content was known before the battle, added to the panic in northwestern Missouri and triggered the sending of the state militia unit. WBardwin 01:29, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I've restored the little story about Patten meeting Cain. It was deleted by an editor as "irrelevant", but I'm not so sure it isn't relevant. Outside of WP, I didn't know a lot about Patten, but I did know that (1) he was killed in the Battle of Crooked River, and (2) that he said he met Cain. The story has been recounted in a number of modern LDS Church sources, including Miracle of Forgiveness by S. W. Kimball. I think it's relevant and I see no better article than this one to include it in. We certainly don't need a separate article about David W. Patten's encounter with Cain. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
I've revised the section on the Cain story—took out the quote and just related it in a few sentences. I actually found out that the story is mentioned in the articles Cain and Abel and Mormon folklore, so I'm not as convinced that it has to be here as I otherwise might have been. What I've included here is pretty much taken from Cain and Abel. I still think it's appropriate to have here, given it's modern significance. As for the source and identity of Cain, the story is related second-hand in a letter by Abraham O. Smoot, which is then quoted in the biography by Wilson, which is then quoted in the book by Kimball. The letter by Smoot makes it clear the "creature" identified himself as Cain: that part just wasn't included in the quote that was there before. I'm still looking for perhaps one more reference for a final comment as to the significance of this story in the modern LDS Church/Mormon folklore, which will probably be just a sentence. There's plenty of blog posts commenting on it, but we need something better than that. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:37, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
The reason this church is referred to in the reference to Patten being baptised in 1832 rather than The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is b/c the latter did not exist by that name in 1832. This is fairly standard naming formatting across Latter Day Saint articles. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:20, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
The article mentions that Patten lived for a time in Theresa, in "southeastern" New York. Theresa is a town in northern New York. Which is correct -- the name of the town, or the region? Don Argus jr ( talk) 01:52, 25 October 2008 (UTC)) 01:51, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
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Actually, there is some support -- just not cited here. The false affidavit was a significant legal factor in the dissention during this period. I'll try and track down the source before reinserting. WBardwin 23:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
"Battle may have been triggered by dissension within the Mormon leadership and the swearing of a false affidavit by Apostles Thomas B. Marsh and Orson Hyde."
This sequence of events is pretty well documented and comes from the Thomas B. Marsh article. The affidavit's content was known before the battle, added to the panic in northwestern Missouri and triggered the sending of the state militia unit. WBardwin 01:29, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I've restored the little story about Patten meeting Cain. It was deleted by an editor as "irrelevant", but I'm not so sure it isn't relevant. Outside of WP, I didn't know a lot about Patten, but I did know that (1) he was killed in the Battle of Crooked River, and (2) that he said he met Cain. The story has been recounted in a number of modern LDS Church sources, including Miracle of Forgiveness by S. W. Kimball. I think it's relevant and I see no better article than this one to include it in. We certainly don't need a separate article about David W. Patten's encounter with Cain. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
I've revised the section on the Cain story—took out the quote and just related it in a few sentences. I actually found out that the story is mentioned in the articles Cain and Abel and Mormon folklore, so I'm not as convinced that it has to be here as I otherwise might have been. What I've included here is pretty much taken from Cain and Abel. I still think it's appropriate to have here, given it's modern significance. As for the source and identity of Cain, the story is related second-hand in a letter by Abraham O. Smoot, which is then quoted in the biography by Wilson, which is then quoted in the book by Kimball. The letter by Smoot makes it clear the "creature" identified himself as Cain: that part just wasn't included in the quote that was there before. I'm still looking for perhaps one more reference for a final comment as to the significance of this story in the modern LDS Church/Mormon folklore, which will probably be just a sentence. There's plenty of blog posts commenting on it, but we need something better than that. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:37, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
The reason this church is referred to in the reference to Patten being baptised in 1832 rather than The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is b/c the latter did not exist by that name in 1832. This is fairly standard naming formatting across Latter Day Saint articles. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:20, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
The article mentions that Patten lived for a time in Theresa, in "southeastern" New York. Theresa is a town in northern New York. Which is correct -- the name of the town, or the region? Don Argus jr ( talk) 01:52, 25 October 2008 (UTC)) 01:51, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
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