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The article suggests that Stephen Fry endorsed Norris's campaign following Norris's re-entry. This is not true. This endorsement occured before Norris withdrew. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.70.118.30 ( talk) 23:08, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
Done Moved. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 23:12, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
No mention of his comments on older homosexuals "mentoring" younger (possibly minor) ones? How odd. Biography or hagiography? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.46.237.204 ( talk • contribs) 21:54 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I removed the bit that said Norris was the first English Literature and Language Foundation Scholar of Trinity College. If you look at
these search results you'll see that there was someone before him. (I checked elsewhere, and that guy was also a Foundation Scholar.)
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I have removed the text " An article in The Sunday Times claimed that Norris had, on more than one occasion, denounced the leaders of the 1916 Easter Rising as " terrorists". [1] The article described this as a "potential stumbling block" to his presidential bid, noting that "The next president will be in situ for the centenary commemoration of the Easter Rising. It's difficult to imagine President Norris standing proudly at the GPO as the leader of that particular ceremony". [1]"
David Norris never made these claims and the newspaper printed a retraction of this. His views on the 1916 Rising leaders have been recorded in the Seanad http://www.kildarestreet.com/sendebates/?gid=2011-01-26.13.0
This also verifies that the retraction of the claims by the Sunday newspaper.
Is there a link available to the retraction? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dennycrane101 ( talk • contribs) 20:01, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
The previous version of the Views section attempted to sting together selective and disparate claims related to Norris' purported views on Ireland's history with the United Kingdom supported only by primary sources. The novel conclusion hinted at is that Norris is not authentically Irish, but rather a sort of West Brit revanchist. This is contrary to the BLP policy on sourcing and is inappropriate for inclusion. Skomorokh 13:57, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
In January 2011, Norris called the Rising's leaders "men of vision and chivalry" and said he supported the creation of a national monument.
In a 2010 RTÉ documentary, he condemned the bombing of Nelson's Pillar on the Rising's 50th anniversary, claiming "no decent or civilized person was against the pillar".
"We are in a ridiculous situation now that gay couples have more rights in Paisley's Belfast than they do in Bertie's Dublin."
How reliable a source is http://sites.google.com/site/norrisarticle/ - used as a reference for the Magill article? It seems to be a "home made" site which is pretty much a copyright violation? Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 20:14, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Although I admire the subject of this article and think he would make a good president, I notice an attempt by someone to slant the article in the subject's favour by misrepresenting the content of a citation. Article says 'Fine Gael announced its intention to obstruct the nomination of Norris for the presidency in any way that it can.' Citation is to a newspaper article in which the only reference to Fine Gael is 'However, Fine Gael has instructed its councillors to block the nomination of Mr Norris.' That's not quite the same thing as Fine Gael declaring all-out, by-any-means-necessary war on the Norris campaign. Since our first priority must be the NPOV of Wikipedia, I will be changing the sentence in the article to reflect Fine Gael's actual policy, as opposed to what whoever wrote the original sentence would have liked it to be. Lexo ( talk) 23:54, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
I was wondering if I should make changes to the section which gives preferential treatment to Burkes' accusations rather then Norris's denials. I don't know the topic, so maybe I should leave it to others... but then I remembered that this is a WP:BLP. For BLPs, the burden of proof is squarely on those who make damaging statements. If there's any doubt in the foundations of an accusation, that doubt has to be presented to the reader before the accusation. Gronky ( talk) 13:45, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm doing a bit more work on this. I'll try to re-jig the paragraphs so that the 2002 and 2011 events are in separate paragraphs. I found a reference showing that Norris publicly refuted the interview back in 2002: Joe Jackson (who interviewed Norris about this in 2002) says it on Liveline [3]. Gronky ( talk) 23:58, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
I inserted the following in a trivia section which was (rightly) removed: "Norris' bid for the Presidency has been praised in musical form by Paul Woodfull, in his alter ego of Republican balladeer 'Ding Dong Denny O'Reilly', with the song A Noble Queen.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw9imRvkFW4 ''A Noble Queen'', by Ding Dong Denny O'Reilly]. Retrieved 15-06-2011.</ref>" I reinserted it in the 'Political career' section. User:Snappy reverted, saying links to YouTube aren't allowed. Actually, they are, and the song appears to have been uploaded by Woodfull himself, so there are no copyright problems. Do people think it's worthy of inclusion, or not? Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 21:23, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Is there a good reason why there should be no mention of Norris’ long-term romantic relationship with Israel activist Ezra Nawi, with a known conviction for a paedophile act? [2], [3],, [4] [5] Talk of Nawi’s criminal record in relation to sex and drugs, along with references, have been suppressed from the Wikipedia page in English (but are there in Hebrew). By the way, I believe David Norris is a great guy. And I am sure he would be much in favour of transparency and openness (it wasn’t David that was convicted).
Hello User:Asarlaí Thanks for your adding of the NPOV tag. I've made changes now to improve.
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I've added that requested section to talk page. Could you follow the guidelines above with specifics to help improve the article or remove the NPOV tag please? Thanks Is Mise ( talk) 17:45, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
My edit adding that the property (already mentioned in the article) was acquired with sitting tenants was rapidly deleted as being trivia rather than of note. Nobody saying it's false yet. Interesting! It's 29th September... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.182.234 ( talk) 22:02, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Fair point. So you're deleted it twice now. But your edits have the side-effect of burying (for now) what might be a the start of a very damaging set of facts on a politician who claims to be a civil rights campaigner. Is that your intention - to bury what might be damaging?
Don't you think that this information will come to light anyway and that the sooner Norris clarifies the issue with the sitting tennants and the repairs to the roof the better for him? We won't hear both sides of this story unless it starts somewhere, and I was hoping to start it here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.182.234 ( talk) 22:39, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Would a scan of a rent book suffice as a reference? Please allow this fact to remain, if you are a fair person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.24.115 ( talk) 08:35, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
Fair enough. You seem to be in charge and know the law and how to apply it to get me off this page. I'll just leave quietly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.24.115 ( talk) 10:27, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
The repeated claim that Norris is a human rights activist is claim and not an undisputed fact. Norris is perfectly entitled to make the claim, but it should not be repeated verbatim without caveat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.186.51 ( talk) 21:29, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
I've proposed that all articles on candidates on the upcoming presidential election be semi protected until the 28th of October. This is owing to all of these articles coming under increasing pressure from vandals and unregistered/newly-registered editors with obvious axes to grind.
I've opened a general discussion on this at at WikiProject Ireland. -- RA ( talk) 17:52, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm going to remove this section. Norris denies having said any such thing, while Gay Mitchell actually has said he'd be in favour of Ireland joining the Commonwealth, though that's completely absent from his page. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 18:25, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
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With regard to the section entitled "2002 Magill magazine interview" - with specific reference to the last sentence "the interview was recorded and on 21 October 2011 it was played on the radio talk show Liveline", it should be noted that on the original interview with Joe Duffy Liveline show, Helen Lucy Burke asserted, "I think I have a tape somewhere, but its so old that I don't think it will work on any player", to which Duffy replied "sure technology will get it working".
Also, when Helen Lucy Burke was asked if she had a tape while being interviewed on RTE 6 o'clock news on May 31st 2011 by Caitriona Perry (a link provided), Perry asserted that "despite originally believing that she had a recording of the interview, Helen Lucy Burke is now not so sure". The pictures then switch to Burke asserting "I don't think so, I thought I had a taped cassette, but it turns out that is was in the one, I wasn't able to open it because it was a different length from the one in my existing cassette box". When Caitriona Perry asked "do you think you have a tape anywhere else", Burke replied "it could be under the mountains of stuff that came down when my ceiling came in"
In the last days of the campaign the tape was released and according to the Irish Independent Newspaper (a link provided), Ms. Burke "said yesterday she found the tape recently but only released it in the last days of the campaign for “impact.” She said “it would give people something to think about when they went to the polls. It might incite people to vote against Norris or for Norris.”
Here are the two links that i have cited in my request;
First RTE Interview entitled "Norris hits out at campaign sabotage": http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0531/norrisd.html
And also the Irish Independent article in the last days of the campaign entitled "Burke released Norris tape in final days for maximum impact": http://www.independent.ie/national-news/burke-released-norris-tape-in-final-days-for-maximum-impact-2914247.html
I think to include all relevant facts, including Helen Lucy Burke's assertions relating to this particular issue and the events surrounding the tape should be included.
Karpackie ( talk) 23:04, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
{{edit semi-protected}} As per the original article with the section entitled, 2002 Magill magazine interview - "The interview was recorded and on 21 October 2011 it was played on the radio talk show Liveline." - This sentence is very brief in relation to all matters surrounding the tape and its subsequent release. I would like to have the following added.
"During the initial interview on May 30th 2011, Burke explained on Liveline that she had "a tape somewhere around but I cant find it, its twelve years old and I don't know whether it would be viable now". Also, when Burke was asked if she had a tape while being interviewed on RTE 6 o'clock news on May 31st 2011 by Caitriona Perry, Perry asserted that "despite originally believing that she had a recording of the interview, Helen Lucy Burke is now not so sure". Burke explained, "I don't think so, I thought I had a taped cassette, but it turns out that it was in the one, I wasn't able to open it because it was a different length from the one in my existing cassette box". When Caitriona Perry asked "do you think you have a tape anywhere else", Burke replied "it could be under the mountains of stuff that came down when my ceiling came in". In the last days of the campaign the tape was released and according to the Irish Independent Newspaper, Ms. Burke "said yesterday she found the tape recently but only released it in the last days of the campaign for “impact.” She said “it would give people something to think about when they went to the polls.” "
I have already cited my sources by I can provide them here again. The original interview on Joe Duffy I see is already referenced.
For the RTE News Report "Norris hit out at campaign sabotage - http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0531/norrisd.html
Irish Independent article -
Karpackie (
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"During the initial interview on May 30th 2011, Burke explained on Liveline that she had "a tape somewhere around but I cant find it, its twelve years old and I don't know whether it would be viable now". Also, when Burke was asked if she had a tape while being interviewed on RTE 6 o'clock news on May 31st 2011 by Caitriona Perry, Perry asserted that "despite originally believing that she had a recording of the interview, Helen Lucy Burke is now not so sure". Burke explained, "I don't think so, I thought I had a taped cassette, but it turns out that it was in the one, I wasn't able to open it because it was a different length from the one in my existing cassette box". When Caitriona Perry asked "do you think you have a tape anywhere else", Burke replied "it could be under the mountains of stuff that came down when my ceiling came in". In the last days of the campaign the tape was released and according to the Irish Independent Newspaper, Ms. Burke "said yesterday she found the tape recently but only released it in the last days of the campaign for “impact.” She said “it would give people something to think about when they went to the polls — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karpackie ( talk • contribs) 03:22, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
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Please remove Category:Candidates for President of Ireland and replace it with Category:Candidates for the Irish presidential election, 2011.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.104.255 ( talk • contribs)
I see no valid reason for 'British English' to be prescribed over Hiberno-English at this article. If anything, the local variant should be preferred due to the subject's clear connection with this style. RashersTierney ( talk) 11:10, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
The addition of traitors comment is clearly out of context. Eoin McNeill issued an order cancelling the 1916 rising, so those who went ahead were by Norris' definitions "traitors to their own cause", as they disobeyed a direct order from the commander of the IV. Adding this quote on its own is not what wikipedia is about. Wikipedia is about WP:NPOV and balance. Snappy ( talk) 19:27, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
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Dear Bastun, I have continuously upgraded David Norris' Wikipedia article David Norris (politician) to contain the short account of an online and significant counter-campaign. Unfortunately, I have seen this account (which is legitimate and relevant) continuously undone. I have already raised objections with Spleodrach concerning this on the view history page. He appears to have understood and has since left 'undoing' the addition of my counter campaign. Regrettably, it seems that you have now begun to continuously undo the addition of this account(which, I repeat, is legitimate and relevant). Hence, I wish to re-affirm my former defense of this account. Number 1 - although 'anybody can set up a website' nobody else did set up an online counter campaign and Number 2 - this online campaign reached a considerable degree of attention with the Irish Independent and journal.ie reporting on it. In conclusion, I wish to make it clear, that I will not cease to continue to include this appropiate account (of this counter-campaign). Tomás Deb. -- Tomás Deb ( talk) 13:08, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
Ok Bastun, can we reach a compromise? I think that this campaign is relevant. You don't. Although I wish to include the entire account that I have written, I am willing to compromise, provided that you don't rid the whole account. After all that's what a compromise is (an agreement or settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions). Thank you for not blocking me - can we both now make concessions? Tomás Deb ( talk) 14:20, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
Bastun, if I revert, I'm afraid I will lose my information. Can you edit what I've done, without me having to revert? Tomás Deb ( talk) 14:51, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
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The article suggests that Stephen Fry endorsed Norris's campaign following Norris's re-entry. This is not true. This endorsement occured before Norris withdrew. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.70.118.30 ( talk) 23:08, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
Done Moved. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 23:12, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
No mention of his comments on older homosexuals "mentoring" younger (possibly minor) ones? How odd. Biography or hagiography? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.46.237.204 ( talk • contribs) 21:54 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I removed the bit that said Norris was the first English Literature and Language Foundation Scholar of Trinity College. If you look at
these search results you'll see that there was someone before him. (I checked elsewhere, and that guy was also a Foundation Scholar.)
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I have removed the text " An article in The Sunday Times claimed that Norris had, on more than one occasion, denounced the leaders of the 1916 Easter Rising as " terrorists". [1] The article described this as a "potential stumbling block" to his presidential bid, noting that "The next president will be in situ for the centenary commemoration of the Easter Rising. It's difficult to imagine President Norris standing proudly at the GPO as the leader of that particular ceremony". [1]"
David Norris never made these claims and the newspaper printed a retraction of this. His views on the 1916 Rising leaders have been recorded in the Seanad http://www.kildarestreet.com/sendebates/?gid=2011-01-26.13.0
This also verifies that the retraction of the claims by the Sunday newspaper.
Is there a link available to the retraction? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dennycrane101 ( talk • contribs) 20:01, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
The previous version of the Views section attempted to sting together selective and disparate claims related to Norris' purported views on Ireland's history with the United Kingdom supported only by primary sources. The novel conclusion hinted at is that Norris is not authentically Irish, but rather a sort of West Brit revanchist. This is contrary to the BLP policy on sourcing and is inappropriate for inclusion. Skomorokh 13:57, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
In January 2011, Norris called the Rising's leaders "men of vision and chivalry" and said he supported the creation of a national monument.
In a 2010 RTÉ documentary, he condemned the bombing of Nelson's Pillar on the Rising's 50th anniversary, claiming "no decent or civilized person was against the pillar".
"We are in a ridiculous situation now that gay couples have more rights in Paisley's Belfast than they do in Bertie's Dublin."
How reliable a source is http://sites.google.com/site/norrisarticle/ - used as a reference for the Magill article? It seems to be a "home made" site which is pretty much a copyright violation? Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 20:14, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Although I admire the subject of this article and think he would make a good president, I notice an attempt by someone to slant the article in the subject's favour by misrepresenting the content of a citation. Article says 'Fine Gael announced its intention to obstruct the nomination of Norris for the presidency in any way that it can.' Citation is to a newspaper article in which the only reference to Fine Gael is 'However, Fine Gael has instructed its councillors to block the nomination of Mr Norris.' That's not quite the same thing as Fine Gael declaring all-out, by-any-means-necessary war on the Norris campaign. Since our first priority must be the NPOV of Wikipedia, I will be changing the sentence in the article to reflect Fine Gael's actual policy, as opposed to what whoever wrote the original sentence would have liked it to be. Lexo ( talk) 23:54, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
I was wondering if I should make changes to the section which gives preferential treatment to Burkes' accusations rather then Norris's denials. I don't know the topic, so maybe I should leave it to others... but then I remembered that this is a WP:BLP. For BLPs, the burden of proof is squarely on those who make damaging statements. If there's any doubt in the foundations of an accusation, that doubt has to be presented to the reader before the accusation. Gronky ( talk) 13:45, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm doing a bit more work on this. I'll try to re-jig the paragraphs so that the 2002 and 2011 events are in separate paragraphs. I found a reference showing that Norris publicly refuted the interview back in 2002: Joe Jackson (who interviewed Norris about this in 2002) says it on Liveline [3]. Gronky ( talk) 23:58, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
I inserted the following in a trivia section which was (rightly) removed: "Norris' bid for the Presidency has been praised in musical form by Paul Woodfull, in his alter ego of Republican balladeer 'Ding Dong Denny O'Reilly', with the song A Noble Queen.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw9imRvkFW4 ''A Noble Queen'', by Ding Dong Denny O'Reilly]. Retrieved 15-06-2011.</ref>" I reinserted it in the 'Political career' section. User:Snappy reverted, saying links to YouTube aren't allowed. Actually, they are, and the song appears to have been uploaded by Woodfull himself, so there are no copyright problems. Do people think it's worthy of inclusion, or not? Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 21:23, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Is there a good reason why there should be no mention of Norris’ long-term romantic relationship with Israel activist Ezra Nawi, with a known conviction for a paedophile act? [2], [3],, [4] [5] Talk of Nawi’s criminal record in relation to sex and drugs, along with references, have been suppressed from the Wikipedia page in English (but are there in Hebrew). By the way, I believe David Norris is a great guy. And I am sure he would be much in favour of transparency and openness (it wasn’t David that was convicted).
Hello User:Asarlaí Thanks for your adding of the NPOV tag. I've made changes now to improve.
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I've added that requested section to talk page. Could you follow the guidelines above with specifics to help improve the article or remove the NPOV tag please? Thanks Is Mise ( talk) 17:45, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
My edit adding that the property (already mentioned in the article) was acquired with sitting tenants was rapidly deleted as being trivia rather than of note. Nobody saying it's false yet. Interesting! It's 29th September... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.182.234 ( talk) 22:02, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Fair point. So you're deleted it twice now. But your edits have the side-effect of burying (for now) what might be a the start of a very damaging set of facts on a politician who claims to be a civil rights campaigner. Is that your intention - to bury what might be damaging?
Don't you think that this information will come to light anyway and that the sooner Norris clarifies the issue with the sitting tennants and the repairs to the roof the better for him? We won't hear both sides of this story unless it starts somewhere, and I was hoping to start it here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.182.234 ( talk) 22:39, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Would a scan of a rent book suffice as a reference? Please allow this fact to remain, if you are a fair person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.24.115 ( talk) 08:35, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
Fair enough. You seem to be in charge and know the law and how to apply it to get me off this page. I'll just leave quietly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.24.115 ( talk) 10:27, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
The repeated claim that Norris is a human rights activist is claim and not an undisputed fact. Norris is perfectly entitled to make the claim, but it should not be repeated verbatim without caveat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.186.51 ( talk) 21:29, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
I've proposed that all articles on candidates on the upcoming presidential election be semi protected until the 28th of October. This is owing to all of these articles coming under increasing pressure from vandals and unregistered/newly-registered editors with obvious axes to grind.
I've opened a general discussion on this at at WikiProject Ireland. -- RA ( talk) 17:52, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm going to remove this section. Norris denies having said any such thing, while Gay Mitchell actually has said he'd be in favour of Ireland joining the Commonwealth, though that's completely absent from his page. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 18:25, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
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With regard to the section entitled "2002 Magill magazine interview" - with specific reference to the last sentence "the interview was recorded and on 21 October 2011 it was played on the radio talk show Liveline", it should be noted that on the original interview with Joe Duffy Liveline show, Helen Lucy Burke asserted, "I think I have a tape somewhere, but its so old that I don't think it will work on any player", to which Duffy replied "sure technology will get it working".
Also, when Helen Lucy Burke was asked if she had a tape while being interviewed on RTE 6 o'clock news on May 31st 2011 by Caitriona Perry (a link provided), Perry asserted that "despite originally believing that she had a recording of the interview, Helen Lucy Burke is now not so sure". The pictures then switch to Burke asserting "I don't think so, I thought I had a taped cassette, but it turns out that is was in the one, I wasn't able to open it because it was a different length from the one in my existing cassette box". When Caitriona Perry asked "do you think you have a tape anywhere else", Burke replied "it could be under the mountains of stuff that came down when my ceiling came in"
In the last days of the campaign the tape was released and according to the Irish Independent Newspaper (a link provided), Ms. Burke "said yesterday she found the tape recently but only released it in the last days of the campaign for “impact.” She said “it would give people something to think about when they went to the polls. It might incite people to vote against Norris or for Norris.”
Here are the two links that i have cited in my request;
First RTE Interview entitled "Norris hits out at campaign sabotage": http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0531/norrisd.html
And also the Irish Independent article in the last days of the campaign entitled "Burke released Norris tape in final days for maximum impact": http://www.independent.ie/national-news/burke-released-norris-tape-in-final-days-for-maximum-impact-2914247.html
I think to include all relevant facts, including Helen Lucy Burke's assertions relating to this particular issue and the events surrounding the tape should be included.
Karpackie ( talk) 23:04, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
{{edit semi-protected}} As per the original article with the section entitled, 2002 Magill magazine interview - "The interview was recorded and on 21 October 2011 it was played on the radio talk show Liveline." - This sentence is very brief in relation to all matters surrounding the tape and its subsequent release. I would like to have the following added.
"During the initial interview on May 30th 2011, Burke explained on Liveline that she had "a tape somewhere around but I cant find it, its twelve years old and I don't know whether it would be viable now". Also, when Burke was asked if she had a tape while being interviewed on RTE 6 o'clock news on May 31st 2011 by Caitriona Perry, Perry asserted that "despite originally believing that she had a recording of the interview, Helen Lucy Burke is now not so sure". Burke explained, "I don't think so, I thought I had a taped cassette, but it turns out that it was in the one, I wasn't able to open it because it was a different length from the one in my existing cassette box". When Caitriona Perry asked "do you think you have a tape anywhere else", Burke replied "it could be under the mountains of stuff that came down when my ceiling came in". In the last days of the campaign the tape was released and according to the Irish Independent Newspaper, Ms. Burke "said yesterday she found the tape recently but only released it in the last days of the campaign for “impact.” She said “it would give people something to think about when they went to the polls.” "
I have already cited my sources by I can provide them here again. The original interview on Joe Duffy I see is already referenced.
For the RTE News Report "Norris hit out at campaign sabotage - http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0531/norrisd.html
Irish Independent article -
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"During the initial interview on May 30th 2011, Burke explained on Liveline that she had "a tape somewhere around but I cant find it, its twelve years old and I don't know whether it would be viable now". Also, when Burke was asked if she had a tape while being interviewed on RTE 6 o'clock news on May 31st 2011 by Caitriona Perry, Perry asserted that "despite originally believing that she had a recording of the interview, Helen Lucy Burke is now not so sure". Burke explained, "I don't think so, I thought I had a taped cassette, but it turns out that it was in the one, I wasn't able to open it because it was a different length from the one in my existing cassette box". When Caitriona Perry asked "do you think you have a tape anywhere else", Burke replied "it could be under the mountains of stuff that came down when my ceiling came in". In the last days of the campaign the tape was released and according to the Irish Independent Newspaper, Ms. Burke "said yesterday she found the tape recently but only released it in the last days of the campaign for “impact.” She said “it would give people something to think about when they went to the polls — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karpackie ( talk • contribs) 03:22, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
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Please remove Category:Candidates for President of Ireland and replace it with Category:Candidates for the Irish presidential election, 2011.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.104.255 ( talk • contribs)
I see no valid reason for 'British English' to be prescribed over Hiberno-English at this article. If anything, the local variant should be preferred due to the subject's clear connection with this style. RashersTierney ( talk) 11:10, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
The addition of traitors comment is clearly out of context. Eoin McNeill issued an order cancelling the 1916 rising, so those who went ahead were by Norris' definitions "traitors to their own cause", as they disobeyed a direct order from the commander of the IV. Adding this quote on its own is not what wikipedia is about. Wikipedia is about WP:NPOV and balance. Snappy ( talk) 19:27, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
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Dear Bastun, I have continuously upgraded David Norris' Wikipedia article David Norris (politician) to contain the short account of an online and significant counter-campaign. Unfortunately, I have seen this account (which is legitimate and relevant) continuously undone. I have already raised objections with Spleodrach concerning this on the view history page. He appears to have understood and has since left 'undoing' the addition of my counter campaign. Regrettably, it seems that you have now begun to continuously undo the addition of this account(which, I repeat, is legitimate and relevant). Hence, I wish to re-affirm my former defense of this account. Number 1 - although 'anybody can set up a website' nobody else did set up an online counter campaign and Number 2 - this online campaign reached a considerable degree of attention with the Irish Independent and journal.ie reporting on it. In conclusion, I wish to make it clear, that I will not cease to continue to include this appropiate account (of this counter-campaign). Tomás Deb. -- Tomás Deb ( talk) 13:08, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
Ok Bastun, can we reach a compromise? I think that this campaign is relevant. You don't. Although I wish to include the entire account that I have written, I am willing to compromise, provided that you don't rid the whole account. After all that's what a compromise is (an agreement or settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions). Thank you for not blocking me - can we both now make concessions? Tomás Deb ( talk) 14:20, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
Bastun, if I revert, I'm afraid I will lose my information. Can you edit what I've done, without me having to revert? Tomás Deb ( talk) 14:51, 23 August 2019 (UTC)