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{{request edit}}
As the heading suggests, I have a
new version of this article to propose: the current version is merely a stub, with few sources, and even some details unsupported by the citations included. I am also concerned that about one-third of the existing text is
undue weight on a topic with scant coverage.
Before I explain further, the reason I'm not simply adding it now is because I have researched and written it on behalf of Mr. Marchick's employer, Carlyle Group. So consider this a request for an independent editor to review my draft and, ideally, replace the current version. Some details:
Anyway, I'm happy to discuss the article in further detail, and I'll keep an eye on this page for further edits. One more note: I have disabled categories in my draft, so if you do move it, please re-enable them. Cheers, WWB Too ( Talk · COI) 20:56, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Don't forget to mark noticeboard requests as resolved, too. — Cupco 03:02, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
OK, the article survived discussion -- I'm fine with that, even though I had made the AfD nomination, as the discussion brought out info showing that he probably is sufficiently notable. So the first question then, is, notable for what? That is, with what do we fill in the blank for "David Marchich is ____________" when first introducing him to the reader?
Right now it says "...is an American lawyer and former diplomat", but this does not seem right to me, since he's not really that notable as a lawyer I don't think -- he's not participated in a famous case, argued before the Supreme Court, headed a law firm, been head of a state bar association, been popularly famous as a lawyer (e.g. legal advice radio show or popular legal books or whatever), won an award as a lawyer, or anything like that. And it's arguable that he ever was a diplomat, really. ("A diplomat is a person appointed by a country to conduct diplomacy with another state or international organization"). He wasn't an ambassador or a Foreign Service officer at all, so I dunno. He did travel to Japan to "monitor progress" on a trade agreement.
He really does seem to be kind of jack of all trades, so this is a hard question. In reality, "...is a Washington insider" or something might be accurate, but is awfully vague, and we don't have a cite for that anyway. His current job happens to be Managing Director and Global Head of External Affairs for Carlyle, but I'm not sure that is his main source of notability (it might be). It seems that his main notability is co-writing the book which garnered some attention, so maybe "...is an American writer" or since it's really a policy book "...is an American policy analyst". That seems best to me, but the problem is I don't see anyone calling him a policy analyst, so I dunno about that either. Herostratus ( talk) 01:25, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
If you like my edits [1] to the biography, please post a note on my talk page, User talk:Uzma Gamal, and let me know. -- Uzma Gamal ( talk) 01:32, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
Greetings, anyone visiting this page. In 2012 I worked with representatives of Mr. Marchick to improve this entry. It's a bit of a challenge: Marchick is notable (as established by surviving AfD) but not a very public person. Working with independent editors, consensus was obtained for replacing the stubby article with something not much longer.
Several weeks later, User:Uzma Gamal made a number of additions to this article, expanding its length considerably. While I think Wikipedia articles should be as complete as possible given reliable sources and content guidelines, and I appreciate the effort Uzma put into this article, I'm afraid I believe the current entry is problematic for a number of reasons.
The first concerns the sources included. Having researched Mr. Marchick's career in depth, I'm quite aware of the sources available, and there isn't a ton out there (hence the AfD). I simply don't believe that the sources which are available can support an article of this length. Marchick is certainly notable, but is a low profile individual. He warrants an article, but it hardly needs to be of this length. Moreover, the tone of the article is significantly off—it reads much more like a news article than like a Wikipedia article.
Even if the sources did exist, the article is far too detailed in its discussion of Marchick and his life, especially the level of detail about his personal life.
Here are a few examples of the problem of detail I'm seeing (and note, this is not, by any means, a comprehensive list):
Because of the myriad problems with this article, my suggestion is to roll the article back to the most recent version that seemed to have broad consensus—the post-deletion-nomination version as of 27 October 2012. Because there were some citation/link issues with that draft, I've dropped a slightly modified version of it into my userspace, and fixed those issues, including correcting wikilinks, adding sources where needed, adding an infobox, and fixing a number of typos.
What do folks think about this? I'd like to get a wide range of views, so in addition to following up with editors previously involved (Uzma included, of course) I can raise the issue at relevant WikiProjects if that will help. Cheers, WWB Too ( Talk · COI) 19:30, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi again folks, I've now had a chance to take a look through Marchick's article, removing what I felt was extraneous detail, and have uploaded a revised draft to my userspace, in fact to the same subpage as my previous draft. As you can see, my prediction was about right—we've certainly got more details in here than the rollback version I originally suggested, but quite a bit less than in the current article. I tried to keep the "scalpel" approach in mind, removing only details that seemed to me to have no place this article. I also changed the tone in a number of places, corrected typos and some errors in the citation formatting, and did a few other general housekeeping things. I'm curious on your thoughts about this new draft. Does this seem to be a better candidate for replacing the current article?
I'd like to note that there may still be a few errors in the article. Once we're settled on a draft here, I'd like to run it by Marchick and see if everything looks correct—if there's anything amiss, I'll do my best to track down additional sources and make the corrections, and then repost for review before we take things live. Sound like a plan? And thanks again for the help with this! Cheers, WWB Too ( Talk · COI) 16:09, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Here are my notes on the changes you request, as posted on your userspace. Let me know what you think, -- Dkriegls ( talk to me!) 06:28, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
As discussed above, I went back to David Marchick with the shortened, more Wikipedia-appropriate version of this article. Unfortunately, it still contains a number of inaccuracies, many of them apparently due to stretching the sources a bit past what they actually say. Below, I've detailed three of the problems that still exist with the article:
:"The open skies agreement is the direct result of a determined effort by the U.S. and Argentine governments to begin liberalizing the aviation marketplace. Yohe said, "The two negotiating teams worked very hard to achieve the objectives that President Clinton and President Menem established during their January summit in Washington…" Yohe specifically commended the U.S. delegation leaders David Marchick and Paul Gretch for their leadership in concluding the landmark accord."
Please note that this isn't a complete list of errors in the current article, but I wanted to get started on making some of these corrections as soon as possible. If folks have comments or questions, please feel free to ask, but if all of this seems reasonable, I'd appreciate someone making the changes. Cheers, WWB Too ( Talk · COI) 17:31, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
Hey folks, I'm back again with a few more factual corrections that I'd like to propose for this article, detailed below:
"On-line businesses that sell the assets of bankrupt companies are springing up to convert others' hard times into revenue."
As before, a caveat is in order before I sign off—I believe other factual issues remain in this article, so once we've decided what to do about these, I'll likely have a handful more corrections that I'll be proposing. Cheers, WWB Too ( Talk · COI) 13:01, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
I've rolled these requests into the list in the next section, so I've collapsed these requests. Please see below for outstanding issues. WWB Too ( Talk · COI) 15:39, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
Per a request from Dkriegls, I've prepared a list of the remaining inaccuracies in this article, going section by section, rather than posting these changes a little at a time. I've also rolled in three of the four requests from the above section which have not yet been addressed (the other edit was addressed).
So! Our master list of remaining problems:
"On-line businesses that sell the assets of bankrupt companies are springing up to convert others' hard times into revenue."
That, I believe, is the list of issues that still remain in the article. If anyone has any questions, please do reach out, but if everything looks okay, could someone implement these changes? Cheers, WWB Too ( Talk · COI) 15:40, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
Oh, shoot. I just noticed a small thing in the live version of the article: in the sentence "By January 1998, Marchick held the position of United States Assistant Secretary of State" we've lost a word from Marchick's title. This should read "By January 1998, Marchick held the position of Deputy United States Assistant Secretary of State." Do you think you could fix that? Sorry for the hassle, and thanks again. WWB Too ( Talk · COI) 19:02, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
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I am requesting that Mr. Marchick's page be updated to reflect that, as of February 2021, he is the Chief Operating Officer (COO) of U.S. International Development Finance Corporation (DFC).
Sdbenedict ( talk) 17:01, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
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check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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{{request edit}}
As the heading suggests, I have a
new version of this article to propose: the current version is merely a stub, with few sources, and even some details unsupported by the citations included. I am also concerned that about one-third of the existing text is
undue weight on a topic with scant coverage.
Before I explain further, the reason I'm not simply adding it now is because I have researched and written it on behalf of Mr. Marchick's employer, Carlyle Group. So consider this a request for an independent editor to review my draft and, ideally, replace the current version. Some details:
Anyway, I'm happy to discuss the article in further detail, and I'll keep an eye on this page for further edits. One more note: I have disabled categories in my draft, so if you do move it, please re-enable them. Cheers, WWB Too ( Talk · COI) 20:56, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Don't forget to mark noticeboard requests as resolved, too. — Cupco 03:02, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
OK, the article survived discussion -- I'm fine with that, even though I had made the AfD nomination, as the discussion brought out info showing that he probably is sufficiently notable. So the first question then, is, notable for what? That is, with what do we fill in the blank for "David Marchich is ____________" when first introducing him to the reader?
Right now it says "...is an American lawyer and former diplomat", but this does not seem right to me, since he's not really that notable as a lawyer I don't think -- he's not participated in a famous case, argued before the Supreme Court, headed a law firm, been head of a state bar association, been popularly famous as a lawyer (e.g. legal advice radio show or popular legal books or whatever), won an award as a lawyer, or anything like that. And it's arguable that he ever was a diplomat, really. ("A diplomat is a person appointed by a country to conduct diplomacy with another state or international organization"). He wasn't an ambassador or a Foreign Service officer at all, so I dunno. He did travel to Japan to "monitor progress" on a trade agreement.
He really does seem to be kind of jack of all trades, so this is a hard question. In reality, "...is a Washington insider" or something might be accurate, but is awfully vague, and we don't have a cite for that anyway. His current job happens to be Managing Director and Global Head of External Affairs for Carlyle, but I'm not sure that is his main source of notability (it might be). It seems that his main notability is co-writing the book which garnered some attention, so maybe "...is an American writer" or since it's really a policy book "...is an American policy analyst". That seems best to me, but the problem is I don't see anyone calling him a policy analyst, so I dunno about that either. Herostratus ( talk) 01:25, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
If you like my edits [1] to the biography, please post a note on my talk page, User talk:Uzma Gamal, and let me know. -- Uzma Gamal ( talk) 01:32, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
Greetings, anyone visiting this page. In 2012 I worked with representatives of Mr. Marchick to improve this entry. It's a bit of a challenge: Marchick is notable (as established by surviving AfD) but not a very public person. Working with independent editors, consensus was obtained for replacing the stubby article with something not much longer.
Several weeks later, User:Uzma Gamal made a number of additions to this article, expanding its length considerably. While I think Wikipedia articles should be as complete as possible given reliable sources and content guidelines, and I appreciate the effort Uzma put into this article, I'm afraid I believe the current entry is problematic for a number of reasons.
The first concerns the sources included. Having researched Mr. Marchick's career in depth, I'm quite aware of the sources available, and there isn't a ton out there (hence the AfD). I simply don't believe that the sources which are available can support an article of this length. Marchick is certainly notable, but is a low profile individual. He warrants an article, but it hardly needs to be of this length. Moreover, the tone of the article is significantly off—it reads much more like a news article than like a Wikipedia article.
Even if the sources did exist, the article is far too detailed in its discussion of Marchick and his life, especially the level of detail about his personal life.
Here are a few examples of the problem of detail I'm seeing (and note, this is not, by any means, a comprehensive list):
Because of the myriad problems with this article, my suggestion is to roll the article back to the most recent version that seemed to have broad consensus—the post-deletion-nomination version as of 27 October 2012. Because there were some citation/link issues with that draft, I've dropped a slightly modified version of it into my userspace, and fixed those issues, including correcting wikilinks, adding sources where needed, adding an infobox, and fixing a number of typos.
What do folks think about this? I'd like to get a wide range of views, so in addition to following up with editors previously involved (Uzma included, of course) I can raise the issue at relevant WikiProjects if that will help. Cheers, WWB Too ( Talk · COI) 19:30, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi again folks, I've now had a chance to take a look through Marchick's article, removing what I felt was extraneous detail, and have uploaded a revised draft to my userspace, in fact to the same subpage as my previous draft. As you can see, my prediction was about right—we've certainly got more details in here than the rollback version I originally suggested, but quite a bit less than in the current article. I tried to keep the "scalpel" approach in mind, removing only details that seemed to me to have no place this article. I also changed the tone in a number of places, corrected typos and some errors in the citation formatting, and did a few other general housekeeping things. I'm curious on your thoughts about this new draft. Does this seem to be a better candidate for replacing the current article?
I'd like to note that there may still be a few errors in the article. Once we're settled on a draft here, I'd like to run it by Marchick and see if everything looks correct—if there's anything amiss, I'll do my best to track down additional sources and make the corrections, and then repost for review before we take things live. Sound like a plan? And thanks again for the help with this! Cheers, WWB Too ( Talk · COI) 16:09, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Here are my notes on the changes you request, as posted on your userspace. Let me know what you think, -- Dkriegls ( talk to me!) 06:28, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
As discussed above, I went back to David Marchick with the shortened, more Wikipedia-appropriate version of this article. Unfortunately, it still contains a number of inaccuracies, many of them apparently due to stretching the sources a bit past what they actually say. Below, I've detailed three of the problems that still exist with the article:
:"The open skies agreement is the direct result of a determined effort by the U.S. and Argentine governments to begin liberalizing the aviation marketplace. Yohe said, "The two negotiating teams worked very hard to achieve the objectives that President Clinton and President Menem established during their January summit in Washington…" Yohe specifically commended the U.S. delegation leaders David Marchick and Paul Gretch for their leadership in concluding the landmark accord."
Please note that this isn't a complete list of errors in the current article, but I wanted to get started on making some of these corrections as soon as possible. If folks have comments or questions, please feel free to ask, but if all of this seems reasonable, I'd appreciate someone making the changes. Cheers, WWB Too ( Talk · COI) 17:31, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
Hey folks, I'm back again with a few more factual corrections that I'd like to propose for this article, detailed below:
"On-line businesses that sell the assets of bankrupt companies are springing up to convert others' hard times into revenue."
As before, a caveat is in order before I sign off—I believe other factual issues remain in this article, so once we've decided what to do about these, I'll likely have a handful more corrections that I'll be proposing. Cheers, WWB Too ( Talk · COI) 13:01, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
I've rolled these requests into the list in the next section, so I've collapsed these requests. Please see below for outstanding issues. WWB Too ( Talk · COI) 15:39, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
Per a request from Dkriegls, I've prepared a list of the remaining inaccuracies in this article, going section by section, rather than posting these changes a little at a time. I've also rolled in three of the four requests from the above section which have not yet been addressed (the other edit was addressed).
So! Our master list of remaining problems:
"On-line businesses that sell the assets of bankrupt companies are springing up to convert others' hard times into revenue."
That, I believe, is the list of issues that still remain in the article. If anyone has any questions, please do reach out, but if everything looks okay, could someone implement these changes? Cheers, WWB Too ( Talk · COI) 15:40, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
Oh, shoot. I just noticed a small thing in the live version of the article: in the sentence "By January 1998, Marchick held the position of United States Assistant Secretary of State" we've lost a word from Marchick's title. This should read "By January 1998, Marchick held the position of Deputy United States Assistant Secretary of State." Do you think you could fix that? Sorry for the hassle, and thanks again. WWB Too ( Talk · COI) 19:02, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
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This article's sourcing is very poor. MalluMalleus ( talk) 03:32, 20 October 2017 (UTC)— MalluMalleus ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
![]() | This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered. |
I am requesting that Mr. Marchick's page be updated to reflect that, as of February 2021, he is the Chief Operating Officer (COO) of U.S. International Development Finance Corporation (DFC).
Sdbenedict ( talk) 17:01, 8 February 2021 (UTC)