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Dave Rubin's controversy section makes no sense. CNBC and MSM networks have given platforms to individuals like Alex Jones, Milo Yiannopoulos, etc. This does not mean that CNBC supports their political beliefs. Similarly, this principle applies to Rubin. People across all networks, podcasts, shows, etc. give platforms to controversial individuals. On twitter, there is something called 'Retweets =/= Endorsements.' These quotes for Rubin are cherrypicked and don't really match the contextuality of the content. This section should really be removed, updated, or completely rewritten, because it's clear that it is not appropriately written.
Rubin is ON RECORD calling himself a "new conservative". If Rubin's self identification is mentioned at all, it should include his self description as a "new conservative". — Preceding unsigned comment added by LB-Web ( talk • contribs)
Snooganssnoogans, per wp:ONUS please justify why this disputed content should be included in the article [1]. There are several problems with this addition. First, HuffPo is a poor source for BLP claims related to politics. Second, the summary added to the Wiki article does not reasonably summarize either what the HuffPo said or what Rubin said. The HuffPo article makes it clear that Rubin was drawing an analogy rather than saying this was identity politics ("PG&E strikes me as almost a metaphor for the destruction of the state,"). We are using the false framing of the HuffPo title and further compounding the false presentation by putting this in our identity politics section of the article. If you can't justify the inclusion please self revert. Springee ( talk) 15:24, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Springee, what RfC? Drmies ( talk) 21:29, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
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Newimpartial, please show where these labels are both supported by sources in this article and how their use doesn't violate WP:LABEL. [3] Springee ( talk) 03:20, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
the fact that the sources that tie these people to Rubin don't use these labels means we should not use them in wiki-voiceis at best WIKILAWYERING and at worst horse manure. There is nothing in WP:LABEL about "when used outside the main biographical article, the terms used must not only be used and accepted without dispute, but must also be used in the specific sources mentioning the BLP in reference to those other article's topics". Nothing even remotely similar to that.
the sources that tie these people to Rubincan be used is off the table. It draws on one of Wikipedia's great urban legends, sure, but that doesn't ground it in policy. Newimpartial ( talk) 03:54, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
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Dave Rubin's controversy section makes no sense. CNBC and MSM networks have given platforms to individuals like Alex Jones, Milo Yiannopoulos, etc. This does not mean that CNBC supports their political beliefs. Similarly, this principle applies to Rubin. People across all networks, podcasts, shows, etc. give platforms to controversial individuals. On twitter, there is something called 'Retweets =/= Endorsements.' These quotes for Rubin are cherrypicked and don't really match the contextuality of the content. This section should really be removed, updated, or completely rewritten, because it's clear that it is not appropriately written.
Rubin is ON RECORD calling himself a "new conservative". If Rubin's self identification is mentioned at all, it should include his self description as a "new conservative". — Preceding unsigned comment added by LB-Web ( talk • contribs)
Snooganssnoogans, per wp:ONUS please justify why this disputed content should be included in the article [1]. There are several problems with this addition. First, HuffPo is a poor source for BLP claims related to politics. Second, the summary added to the Wiki article does not reasonably summarize either what the HuffPo said or what Rubin said. The HuffPo article makes it clear that Rubin was drawing an analogy rather than saying this was identity politics ("PG&E strikes me as almost a metaphor for the destruction of the state,"). We are using the false framing of the HuffPo title and further compounding the false presentation by putting this in our identity politics section of the article. If you can't justify the inclusion please self revert. Springee ( talk) 15:24, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Springee, what RfC? Drmies ( talk) 21:29, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
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Newimpartial, please show where these labels are both supported by sources in this article and how their use doesn't violate WP:LABEL. [3] Springee ( talk) 03:20, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
the fact that the sources that tie these people to Rubin don't use these labels means we should not use them in wiki-voiceis at best WIKILAWYERING and at worst horse manure. There is nothing in WP:LABEL about "when used outside the main biographical article, the terms used must not only be used and accepted without dispute, but must also be used in the specific sources mentioning the BLP in reference to those other article's topics". Nothing even remotely similar to that.
the sources that tie these people to Rubincan be used is off the table. It draws on one of Wikipedia's great urban legends, sure, but that doesn't ground it in policy. Newimpartial ( talk) 03:54, 13 October 2022 (UTC)