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I'm not sure the irony of a game designer having the same name as Col. Grossman is necessarily encyclopedia worthy, but I cleaned up the addition anyway. If anyone else agrees that we should remove it or say it differently, go ahead.
For easy reference, I changed:
It may be also noted that Dave Grossman shares his name ironically with the famed game designer Dave Grossman of
Day of the Tentacle,
Monkey Island and recently
Sam and Max fame.
To:
Ironically, Col. Grossman has the same name as game designer Dave Grossman who worked on the games
Day of the Tentacle,
Monkey Island, and recently
Sam and Max.
Note to User:Aubreygrossman and User:Gamer81: I see that Gamer has been trying to insert a block of text since January, and Aubrey has just as consistently removed that block of text. Let's deal with two issues:
Thank you for your concern YechielMan and your suggestions relating towards resolving the issue.
My opinion is that the edit in question seems to be a biased addition to the Dave Grossman (author) biography article and only serves to express Gamer81's personal views on Mr. Grossman. I am open to constructive opinions and will welcome any help on this matter.
Gamer81, do you have anything to say? Aubreygrossman 14:36, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
In the controversial game Postal 2, when the police burst in to arrest Gary Coleman, a bystander is heard to say "Lieutenant Grossman tried to warn us..." The situation soon spirals into a bloodbath. 120.153.110.10 ( talk) 07:20, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
On that note, should we change all references to "Col. Grossman" to "LTC Grossman," which would be more in accordance with procedure for military titles? pew pew pew 00:33, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
I invite user Aubreygrossman to consider the admonitions in WP:COI. -- S. Rich ( talk) 14:13, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm aware of COI policies. I think it would be difficult to find an instance where I haven't strived for neutral POV. Feel free to critique my edits. Aubreygrossman ( talk) 15:31, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
It seems pretty obvious to this random wiki reader, perplexed enough at the scrubbed state of this article to check here, that you have worked (even edit-warred, according to other entries on this talk page), to eliminate any criticism of Dave Grossman or Killology Research Group. 75.106.143.171 ( talk) 23:43, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
I think that it should be noted that although LTC Grossman will immediately tell you that he is an "Airborne Ranger," he never served in the Ranger Regiment. LTC Grossman graduated from Ranger school, the same course that Infantry lieutenants and PFCs from the Ranger Battalions attend. That is his entire claim to Ranger fame, and it provides a thin rationale for him describing himself as an "Airborne Ranger." Technically the statement is correct. In practice, though, nobody who merely graduated from the course would dream of marketing themselves as an "Airborne Ranger" without a history with the Ranger Regiment.
Further, while Grossman wrote On Killing, he never killed anybody. Likewise, he wrote On Combat, though he never spent a moment in a firefight. Finally, Grossman popularizes a concept that he calls "Killology," a term which nobody else uses, and which is widely derided among professional psychologists. How Grossman got his books on the Commandant's Reading List mystifies me. They are unreadable, and they are not substantive contributions to any category of human knowledge. Grossman writes his books in order to set up his seminar appearances, at which he flogs his books, which nobody reads. His Institute is an empty shell.
Grossman collaborates with questionable characters like John Giduck, who wrote a book about the atrocities at Beslan, and turned it into a seminar marketing machine. Until Giduck's research was debunked. He infamously claimed that the Muslim perpetrators committed rapes. This was never substantiated. I could go on. Grossman has long advocated police militarization, and you understand why when you realize that police departments and federal agencies looking for speakers are his primary audience.
I would amend the article, but I have no patience for an inevitable edit war with Aubrey Grossman. I wonder: do you claim to be capable of impartiality?
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@ Niteshift36: - I see you've removed criticism from this article twice lately. Grossman's work really has been criticized in a number of news outlets lately. It's perfectly valid to bring that up, as long as it has adequete sources. Additionally, you cited WP:SYNTH, but this is definitely from the source, not connecting unrelated facts: if you watch John Oliver's show, you'll see that this was a tame summary that kept to the facts rather than going full-on flamethrower. (You can argue that it might be undue weight to cite one commentator, but it's not synthesis, and several other commentators have brought it up as well, making UNDUE concerns less pertinent.) SnowFire ( talk) 20:16, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
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I'm not sure the irony of a game designer having the same name as Col. Grossman is necessarily encyclopedia worthy, but I cleaned up the addition anyway. If anyone else agrees that we should remove it or say it differently, go ahead.
For easy reference, I changed:
It may be also noted that Dave Grossman shares his name ironically with the famed game designer Dave Grossman of
Day of the Tentacle,
Monkey Island and recently
Sam and Max fame.
To:
Ironically, Col. Grossman has the same name as game designer Dave Grossman who worked on the games
Day of the Tentacle,
Monkey Island, and recently
Sam and Max.
Note to User:Aubreygrossman and User:Gamer81: I see that Gamer has been trying to insert a block of text since January, and Aubrey has just as consistently removed that block of text. Let's deal with two issues:
Thank you for your concern YechielMan and your suggestions relating towards resolving the issue.
My opinion is that the edit in question seems to be a biased addition to the Dave Grossman (author) biography article and only serves to express Gamer81's personal views on Mr. Grossman. I am open to constructive opinions and will welcome any help on this matter.
Gamer81, do you have anything to say? Aubreygrossman 14:36, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
In the controversial game Postal 2, when the police burst in to arrest Gary Coleman, a bystander is heard to say "Lieutenant Grossman tried to warn us..." The situation soon spirals into a bloodbath. 120.153.110.10 ( talk) 07:20, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
On that note, should we change all references to "Col. Grossman" to "LTC Grossman," which would be more in accordance with procedure for military titles? pew pew pew 00:33, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
I invite user Aubreygrossman to consider the admonitions in WP:COI. -- S. Rich ( talk) 14:13, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm aware of COI policies. I think it would be difficult to find an instance where I haven't strived for neutral POV. Feel free to critique my edits. Aubreygrossman ( talk) 15:31, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
It seems pretty obvious to this random wiki reader, perplexed enough at the scrubbed state of this article to check here, that you have worked (even edit-warred, according to other entries on this talk page), to eliminate any criticism of Dave Grossman or Killology Research Group. 75.106.143.171 ( talk) 23:43, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
I think that it should be noted that although LTC Grossman will immediately tell you that he is an "Airborne Ranger," he never served in the Ranger Regiment. LTC Grossman graduated from Ranger school, the same course that Infantry lieutenants and PFCs from the Ranger Battalions attend. That is his entire claim to Ranger fame, and it provides a thin rationale for him describing himself as an "Airborne Ranger." Technically the statement is correct. In practice, though, nobody who merely graduated from the course would dream of marketing themselves as an "Airborne Ranger" without a history with the Ranger Regiment.
Further, while Grossman wrote On Killing, he never killed anybody. Likewise, he wrote On Combat, though he never spent a moment in a firefight. Finally, Grossman popularizes a concept that he calls "Killology," a term which nobody else uses, and which is widely derided among professional psychologists. How Grossman got his books on the Commandant's Reading List mystifies me. They are unreadable, and they are not substantive contributions to any category of human knowledge. Grossman writes his books in order to set up his seminar appearances, at which he flogs his books, which nobody reads. His Institute is an empty shell.
Grossman collaborates with questionable characters like John Giduck, who wrote a book about the atrocities at Beslan, and turned it into a seminar marketing machine. Until Giduck's research was debunked. He infamously claimed that the Muslim perpetrators committed rapes. This was never substantiated. I could go on. Grossman has long advocated police militarization, and you understand why when you realize that police departments and federal agencies looking for speakers are his primary audience.
I would amend the article, but I have no patience for an inevitable edit war with Aubrey Grossman. I wonder: do you claim to be capable of impartiality?
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@ Niteshift36: - I see you've removed criticism from this article twice lately. Grossman's work really has been criticized in a number of news outlets lately. It's perfectly valid to bring that up, as long as it has adequete sources. Additionally, you cited WP:SYNTH, but this is definitely from the source, not connecting unrelated facts: if you watch John Oliver's show, you'll see that this was a tame summary that kept to the facts rather than going full-on flamethrower. (You can argue that it might be undue weight to cite one commentator, but it's not synthesis, and several other commentators have brought it up as well, making UNDUE concerns less pertinent.) SnowFire ( talk) 20:16, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
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