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Dartmouth College gets its name from somewhere altogether more significant, the town of Dartmouth, England. This article's title, whilst unwitting, is a prime example of Cultural imperialism... sjc
Yes, most American's ignorance of British place names is a government inspired plan to reduce cultural dependence on the former colonial power. Not to mention to make for better crossword puzzles. --MichaelTinkler
Dartmouth College does not get its name from the town of Dartmouth but from William Legge, the second earl of Dartmouth. The article is now titled "Dartmouth College" anyway, and a disambiguation page distinguishes it from the English town. -- Edit07 17:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Dartmouth College has 6000 students. Dartmouth, Nova Scotia has a population of 65000. Dartmouth, Massachusetts has a population of 30000 and Dartmouth, Devon has a population of 5000. Why should Dartmouth redirect to Dartmouth College? --unsigned edit by Q6637p
Why does Dartmouth go to Dartmouth College? Only in the most narrow of world views is it possible to argue that this is the only meaning of the word, the only thing someone would be looking for in Wikipedia. I object to being reversed and told to participate in this talk page, when I find here that the only people supporting this situation against past objections is ElKevbo, "a scholar of U.S. higher education", and Comte de Chagny, who "attends or attended Dartmouth College." Bias much? The "influence and reputation" of Dartmouth College referred to above does not extend to sole ownership of the term throughout the English speaking world. This is after all supposedly a global encyclopaedia. And reliance on Google searches to prove this is ridiculous - they are tailored by Google to the person's location. When I search for Dartmouth for example from here in the UK, there are only 3 results about the college, 5 about the town in Devon, and 1 for the DHMC. I wonder what result someone in Australia or Canada gets, or even someone in the US closer to Massachusetts than New Hampshire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.233.255.132 ( talk) 00:58, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
I used .com for those results - there's no flagship, Google still tailors results for .com by location. Either that or your results aren't as comprehensive as you claim even for .com. And yes, on the country portals Dartmouth does even worse, on .co.uk, .com.au and .ca, only the official site and Wikipedia page manages to get on the front page. Wikipedia serves the global audience by not ignoring these facts, Wikipedia has no .com version, it is supposed to reflect the distribution of all English language results. It's beyond obvious to neutrals and outsiders that Dartmouth College has no legitimate claim to this page, not exclusively.
It would be proper to have a request for "Dartmouth" go to the page with the list of possible meanings first. Despite the college's official site coming top in Google, it's clear from the rest of the results on the front page that there's no single dominant meaning, neither on .com or .co.uk etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.233.255.132 ( talk) 17:26, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Excuse me? "Crusade"? Are you intentionally trying to be offensive? I have tried to change this twice now, that is not a "crusade". The first time you objected and said 'come and talk', so I did. You never even bothered to comment. The only other person to comment appeared to admit that he does not understand Google enough to claim what he was claiming, and has not commented since after I said it should go to the list page. So after waiting 5 days, I did it. You had your chance to comment, you chose not to, and instead have just reversed me again. I have no idea what an "RFC" is, but if you tell me, I'd be happy to, because clearly no edits will stick with you reversing people for no reason. Well, no, you do claim this is a "long standing" arrangement. But if I'm reading the 'History' tab right, this page has only directed to the college since May 2010, which is just 4 months, and other people as well as me have tried to change that since then. Throughout the 2000s it always went to the list. By anyone's definition of "long standing", yours is out by at least a factor of 30. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.233.255.132 ( talk) 14:48, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
I do not agree that this is a deadlock or an appropriate "status quo". You and Comte de Chagny are the only people trying to impose this situation, that has only existed since May, against objections. Both of you have a bias toward the subject, you as "a scholar of U.S. higher education" and he, who "attends or attended Dartmouth College." Neither of you have made a convincing argument why this should be so, you didn't bother to even contribute while reversing. And yes, I agree that you do not have to repeat yourself as long as your point was still valid, but my point has nothing to do with how many students attend the college. You have made no attempt whatsoever to show how the college's "influence and reputation" is such that it can claim sole use of the term Dartmouth throughout the English speaking world, over and above all other uses. Comte de Chagny tried to justify this using Google, but his point is completely undermined by the fact he clearly doesn't understand how Google works. The status quo is clearly to go to the list, as it did before May for over a decade. This is the true "long standing" situation that you are disturbing with your reverses. That RFC process look horrendously complex, there must be simpler ways of getting other opinions. But I suspect that's by design, as you probably hope I will just go away rather than trying to figure it out, thereby leaving it in the situation you are trying to impose. So I will return it to the list version, and I ask that you get other opinions here to show there is support for changing away from the true status quo. If you just reverse again, then I will have to report this as an obvious abuse of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.233.255.132 ( talk) 14:01, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Well if you had just told me how easy it was, I obviously would have done it. I'm not "lazy" (just like I'm not a "crusader"). Still, if offending me is what floats your boat, knock yourself out, as long as you aren't reversing me without a good reason while you do it, I'm fine with that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.233.255.132 ( talk) 19:57, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Should "Dartmouth" redirect to "Dartmouth College" or be a disambiguation page? ElKevbo ( talk) 16:54, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Article | Views in July, 2011 | Current ranking in en.wikipedia |
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Dartmouth College | 50,019 | 8963 |
Dartmouth, Devon | 5,840 | Unranked |
Dartmouth, Victoria | 121 | Unranked |
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia | 5,803 | Unranked |
Dartmouth, Massachusetts | 2,699 | Unranked |
Dartmouth High School (Nova Scotia) | 175 | Unranked |
Dartmouth Academy | 0 | Unranked |
Earl of Dartmouth | 798 | Unranked |
Port of Dartmouth Royal Regatta | 201 | Unranked |
The Dartmouth | 328 | Unranked |
Dartmouth | 2,871 | Unranked |
The RFC was closed by a bot over a week ago. I think we're ready for a sysop to close out the discussion. Joja lozzo 02:18, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
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Dartmouth College gets its name from somewhere altogether more significant, the town of Dartmouth, England. This article's title, whilst unwitting, is a prime example of Cultural imperialism... sjc
Yes, most American's ignorance of British place names is a government inspired plan to reduce cultural dependence on the former colonial power. Not to mention to make for better crossword puzzles. --MichaelTinkler
Dartmouth College does not get its name from the town of Dartmouth but from William Legge, the second earl of Dartmouth. The article is now titled "Dartmouth College" anyway, and a disambiguation page distinguishes it from the English town. -- Edit07 17:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Dartmouth College has 6000 students. Dartmouth, Nova Scotia has a population of 65000. Dartmouth, Massachusetts has a population of 30000 and Dartmouth, Devon has a population of 5000. Why should Dartmouth redirect to Dartmouth College? --unsigned edit by Q6637p
Why does Dartmouth go to Dartmouth College? Only in the most narrow of world views is it possible to argue that this is the only meaning of the word, the only thing someone would be looking for in Wikipedia. I object to being reversed and told to participate in this talk page, when I find here that the only people supporting this situation against past objections is ElKevbo, "a scholar of U.S. higher education", and Comte de Chagny, who "attends or attended Dartmouth College." Bias much? The "influence and reputation" of Dartmouth College referred to above does not extend to sole ownership of the term throughout the English speaking world. This is after all supposedly a global encyclopaedia. And reliance on Google searches to prove this is ridiculous - they are tailored by Google to the person's location. When I search for Dartmouth for example from here in the UK, there are only 3 results about the college, 5 about the town in Devon, and 1 for the DHMC. I wonder what result someone in Australia or Canada gets, or even someone in the US closer to Massachusetts than New Hampshire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.233.255.132 ( talk) 00:58, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
I used .com for those results - there's no flagship, Google still tailors results for .com by location. Either that or your results aren't as comprehensive as you claim even for .com. And yes, on the country portals Dartmouth does even worse, on .co.uk, .com.au and .ca, only the official site and Wikipedia page manages to get on the front page. Wikipedia serves the global audience by not ignoring these facts, Wikipedia has no .com version, it is supposed to reflect the distribution of all English language results. It's beyond obvious to neutrals and outsiders that Dartmouth College has no legitimate claim to this page, not exclusively.
It would be proper to have a request for "Dartmouth" go to the page with the list of possible meanings first. Despite the college's official site coming top in Google, it's clear from the rest of the results on the front page that there's no single dominant meaning, neither on .com or .co.uk etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.233.255.132 ( talk) 17:26, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Excuse me? "Crusade"? Are you intentionally trying to be offensive? I have tried to change this twice now, that is not a "crusade". The first time you objected and said 'come and talk', so I did. You never even bothered to comment. The only other person to comment appeared to admit that he does not understand Google enough to claim what he was claiming, and has not commented since after I said it should go to the list page. So after waiting 5 days, I did it. You had your chance to comment, you chose not to, and instead have just reversed me again. I have no idea what an "RFC" is, but if you tell me, I'd be happy to, because clearly no edits will stick with you reversing people for no reason. Well, no, you do claim this is a "long standing" arrangement. But if I'm reading the 'History' tab right, this page has only directed to the college since May 2010, which is just 4 months, and other people as well as me have tried to change that since then. Throughout the 2000s it always went to the list. By anyone's definition of "long standing", yours is out by at least a factor of 30. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.233.255.132 ( talk) 14:48, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
I do not agree that this is a deadlock or an appropriate "status quo". You and Comte de Chagny are the only people trying to impose this situation, that has only existed since May, against objections. Both of you have a bias toward the subject, you as "a scholar of U.S. higher education" and he, who "attends or attended Dartmouth College." Neither of you have made a convincing argument why this should be so, you didn't bother to even contribute while reversing. And yes, I agree that you do not have to repeat yourself as long as your point was still valid, but my point has nothing to do with how many students attend the college. You have made no attempt whatsoever to show how the college's "influence and reputation" is such that it can claim sole use of the term Dartmouth throughout the English speaking world, over and above all other uses. Comte de Chagny tried to justify this using Google, but his point is completely undermined by the fact he clearly doesn't understand how Google works. The status quo is clearly to go to the list, as it did before May for over a decade. This is the true "long standing" situation that you are disturbing with your reverses. That RFC process look horrendously complex, there must be simpler ways of getting other opinions. But I suspect that's by design, as you probably hope I will just go away rather than trying to figure it out, thereby leaving it in the situation you are trying to impose. So I will return it to the list version, and I ask that you get other opinions here to show there is support for changing away from the true status quo. If you just reverse again, then I will have to report this as an obvious abuse of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.233.255.132 ( talk) 14:01, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Well if you had just told me how easy it was, I obviously would have done it. I'm not "lazy" (just like I'm not a "crusader"). Still, if offending me is what floats your boat, knock yourself out, as long as you aren't reversing me without a good reason while you do it, I'm fine with that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.233.255.132 ( talk) 19:57, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Should "Dartmouth" redirect to "Dartmouth College" or be a disambiguation page? ElKevbo ( talk) 16:54, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Article | Views in July, 2011 | Current ranking in en.wikipedia |
---|---|---|
Dartmouth College | 50,019 | 8963 |
Dartmouth, Devon | 5,840 | Unranked |
Dartmouth, Victoria | 121 | Unranked |
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia | 5,803 | Unranked |
Dartmouth, Massachusetts | 2,699 | Unranked |
Dartmouth High School (Nova Scotia) | 175 | Unranked |
Dartmouth Academy | 0 | Unranked |
Earl of Dartmouth | 798 | Unranked |
Port of Dartmouth Royal Regatta | 201 | Unranked |
The Dartmouth | 328 | Unranked |
Dartmouth | 2,871 | Unranked |
The RFC was closed by a bot over a week ago. I think we're ready for a sysop to close out the discussion. Joja lozzo 02:18, 20 October 2011 (UTC)