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== jkmSerio us Copy Issues== This "article" is a total mess. It is rambling, unstructured and explains little. 100% Typical Wikiality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.226.85 ( talk) 15:59, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, this article really needs to be moved/renamed. The Darknet isn't just used for file-sharing (in the appropriate use of the term). As example one reference used of this article explains the Darknet as follows:
we’ve learned that the Surface Web is anything that a search engine can access and the Deep Web is anything that a search engine can’t access. The Dark Web then is classified as a small portion of the Deep Web that has been intentionally hidden and is inaccessible through standard web browsers.
And this is a good definition - many other articles can be found that define the Darknet in the same/similar way (actually the article itself is explaining it good enough as well).
So I'd suggest to either remove the (file sharing) in the title, like it's the case for all other languages, or discuss a new categorization in this section. I'd suggest something along the lines of "(overlay network)".
-- Fixuture ( talk) 22:20, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
A lot of confusion is caused by people using the term darknet to refer to two different things (actually 3 if one includes the faulty equation with the darknet(type 1. below)-subset "dark web"):
(The keypoint of each of these concepts are marked in bold)
In hindsight I even find this quote confusing and probably partially false:
Users often refer to darknets for file sharing as friend-to-friend (F2F) networks, because direct connections are only established between trusted friends. But the term “Darknet” can also be used to describe any private file sharing network. For the sake of clarity, this article will differentiate between these terms. The term “darknet” will refer to a decentralized distributed network (lacking a central index) that incorporates privacy, security (encryption), and user anonymity features, with the primary purpose of sharing information with trusted members. When capitalized, “Darknet” will refer to those networks collectively.
— Jessica Wood [1]
Here's why:
To make things more confusing F2F networks (which I described in 2.) can also incorporate anonymity features even though they are not necessary for it to be called a "darknet".
I think to resolve this we need to involve more people who are knowledgeable on the topic (including those from
RetroShare and
Tor (anonymity network).
Please discuss.
--
Fixuture (
talk)
15:39, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
References
According to the definition on this page and the examples (Retroshare, Gnutella etc.) also networks not based on web-technologies are considered to be part of the Darknet (which I consider to be the proper definition). However this contradicts the claim that the collection of all darknets are a subsection of the Deep Web (and the Claim that it is the same as the "Dark Web"). Or am I missing something? BenediktWildenhain ( talk) 18:37, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
V Mero qe ( talk) 04:37, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
The statement that ARPANET evolved into the Internet is inaccurate and is not supported by the reference. Technologies developed by the ARPANET project are used in the Internet but the whole point of the Internet it that it is the network between networks. ARPANET was just one network that became connected to other networks by the Internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.132.189.100 ( talk) 16:25, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
I think this is the strongest use of Darknet and it should replace the disambiguation page. Thoughts? Deku-shrub ( talk) 10:53, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
@ Rhododendrites: I'm inclined to agree with the other two making this proposal. I'd say this is the main referent of "Darknet". What else have we really got? We've got a minor fictional work, a character in a minor fictional work (without a page) and another thing resting happily at Network telescope. Really, this is the main whatsit to which "darknet" refers. Then, do it. I don't see any good argument against but feel free to revert ... but don't just revert ping me. I'm going ahead with this but I won't mind being reverted or if that's too hard I'll revert myself and we can look at more opinions than our four. Jimp 11:22, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
What’s this? Courtneyxoxo2002x ( talk) 18:50, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Kurd Hama bokani ( talk) 20:01, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
Hello,
As a part of my school requirement, I am going to make some edits to this article. I am planning to add more to the description and origins of the Darknet. Additioanlly, I am going to include current sponsor who provide funding for the Darknet. Please let me know if you have any concerns/recommendations. Thanks Anastasia192 ( talk) 23:31, 8 November 2016 (UTC)Anastasia192 Anastasia192 ( talk) 23:31, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
I recently found an old abandoned draft, User:Ndfernan/inlsgroupproject, which may be of use to this page. — Compassionate727 ( T· C) 00:10, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
" darknet (or dark net) is a portion of routed, allocated IP space not running any services. Traffic arriving to such IP dark space is undesired since it has no active hosts.[1]"
I have added some more info and citations. I also did some reorganization to give the article clarity. In this regard, I would like to cite the functions of the Terminology and Origin sections. Their respective contents tend to overlap. I am, however, unsure whether they needed to be merged or merely modified to provide different subject matter. I hope future edits would help address this issue. Thanks! Darwin Naz ( talk) 04:48, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
I just removed the "Citation needed|date=November 2018" template following the claim The term originally described computers on ARPANET that were hidden, programmed to receive messages but not respond to or acknowledge anything, thus remaining invisible, in the dark., adding a cite to Om Darknet via archive.org dated 2018-01. Then I discovered that the same claim existed in an earlier version of this article, using an earlier cite for the same article, e.g. in a 2015 version [1] referencing [2]. Both still seem unconvincing especially since the article seems to have been written 4 years after the wikipedia page had that content. We should have some RFC evidence for this claim. The text on the "coining" of the term was introduced at [3]. ★NealMcB★ ( talk) 21:39, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
There are no examples that I know of, but it certainly can be done using Datacasting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.168.153 ( talk) 14:52, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Another advantage of a satellite datacasting based darknet is that the receivers are completely untraceable assuming they are suitably air gapped. And that the receiver hardware is a standard satellite dish used for TV. Because of the receive only nature of the system it is much more secure than either Tor or I2P because there is no return channel that law enforcement can use to find out what you are reading. 86.130.89.95 ( talk) 18:39, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
== jkmSerio us Copy Issues== This "article" is a total mess. It is rambling, unstructured and explains little. 100% Typical Wikiality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.226.85 ( talk) 15:59, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, this article really needs to be moved/renamed. The Darknet isn't just used for file-sharing (in the appropriate use of the term). As example one reference used of this article explains the Darknet as follows:
we’ve learned that the Surface Web is anything that a search engine can access and the Deep Web is anything that a search engine can’t access. The Dark Web then is classified as a small portion of the Deep Web that has been intentionally hidden and is inaccessible through standard web browsers.
And this is a good definition - many other articles can be found that define the Darknet in the same/similar way (actually the article itself is explaining it good enough as well).
So I'd suggest to either remove the (file sharing) in the title, like it's the case for all other languages, or discuss a new categorization in this section. I'd suggest something along the lines of "(overlay network)".
-- Fixuture ( talk) 22:20, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
A lot of confusion is caused by people using the term darknet to refer to two different things (actually 3 if one includes the faulty equation with the darknet(type 1. below)-subset "dark web"):
(The keypoint of each of these concepts are marked in bold)
In hindsight I even find this quote confusing and probably partially false:
Users often refer to darknets for file sharing as friend-to-friend (F2F) networks, because direct connections are only established between trusted friends. But the term “Darknet” can also be used to describe any private file sharing network. For the sake of clarity, this article will differentiate between these terms. The term “darknet” will refer to a decentralized distributed network (lacking a central index) that incorporates privacy, security (encryption), and user anonymity features, with the primary purpose of sharing information with trusted members. When capitalized, “Darknet” will refer to those networks collectively.
— Jessica Wood [1]
Here's why:
To make things more confusing F2F networks (which I described in 2.) can also incorporate anonymity features even though they are not necessary for it to be called a "darknet".
I think to resolve this we need to involve more people who are knowledgeable on the topic (including those from
RetroShare and
Tor (anonymity network).
Please discuss.
--
Fixuture (
talk)
15:39, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
References
According to the definition on this page and the examples (Retroshare, Gnutella etc.) also networks not based on web-technologies are considered to be part of the Darknet (which I consider to be the proper definition). However this contradicts the claim that the collection of all darknets are a subsection of the Deep Web (and the Claim that it is the same as the "Dark Web"). Or am I missing something? BenediktWildenhain ( talk) 18:37, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
V Mero qe ( talk) 04:37, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
The statement that ARPANET evolved into the Internet is inaccurate and is not supported by the reference. Technologies developed by the ARPANET project are used in the Internet but the whole point of the Internet it that it is the network between networks. ARPANET was just one network that became connected to other networks by the Internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.132.189.100 ( talk) 16:25, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
I think this is the strongest use of Darknet and it should replace the disambiguation page. Thoughts? Deku-shrub ( talk) 10:53, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
@ Rhododendrites: I'm inclined to agree with the other two making this proposal. I'd say this is the main referent of "Darknet". What else have we really got? We've got a minor fictional work, a character in a minor fictional work (without a page) and another thing resting happily at Network telescope. Really, this is the main whatsit to which "darknet" refers. Then, do it. I don't see any good argument against but feel free to revert ... but don't just revert ping me. I'm going ahead with this but I won't mind being reverted or if that's too hard I'll revert myself and we can look at more opinions than our four. Jimp 11:22, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
What’s this? Courtneyxoxo2002x ( talk) 18:50, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Kurd Hama bokani ( talk) 20:01, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
Hello,
As a part of my school requirement, I am going to make some edits to this article. I am planning to add more to the description and origins of the Darknet. Additioanlly, I am going to include current sponsor who provide funding for the Darknet. Please let me know if you have any concerns/recommendations. Thanks Anastasia192 ( talk) 23:31, 8 November 2016 (UTC)Anastasia192 Anastasia192 ( talk) 23:31, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
I recently found an old abandoned draft, User:Ndfernan/inlsgroupproject, which may be of use to this page. — Compassionate727 ( T· C) 00:10, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
" darknet (or dark net) is a portion of routed, allocated IP space not running any services. Traffic arriving to such IP dark space is undesired since it has no active hosts.[1]"
I have added some more info and citations. I also did some reorganization to give the article clarity. In this regard, I would like to cite the functions of the Terminology and Origin sections. Their respective contents tend to overlap. I am, however, unsure whether they needed to be merged or merely modified to provide different subject matter. I hope future edits would help address this issue. Thanks! Darwin Naz ( talk) 04:48, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
I just removed the "Citation needed|date=November 2018" template following the claim The term originally described computers on ARPANET that were hidden, programmed to receive messages but not respond to or acknowledge anything, thus remaining invisible, in the dark., adding a cite to Om Darknet via archive.org dated 2018-01. Then I discovered that the same claim existed in an earlier version of this article, using an earlier cite for the same article, e.g. in a 2015 version [1] referencing [2]. Both still seem unconvincing especially since the article seems to have been written 4 years after the wikipedia page had that content. We should have some RFC evidence for this claim. The text on the "coining" of the term was introduced at [3]. ★NealMcB★ ( talk) 21:39, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
There are no examples that I know of, but it certainly can be done using Datacasting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.168.153 ( talk) 14:52, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Another advantage of a satellite datacasting based darknet is that the receivers are completely untraceable assuming they are suitably air gapped. And that the receiver hardware is a standard satellite dish used for TV. Because of the receive only nature of the system it is much more secure than either Tor or I2P because there is no return channel that law enforcement can use to find out what you are reading. 86.130.89.95 ( talk) 18:39, 30 July 2021 (UTC)