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Question: Should Dark Phoenix contain a statement regarding its box office failure in lede and box office section?
Option 1: "The film is widely described as a
box office bomb including by USAToday, Hollywood Reporter, Deadline Hollywood, and Variety."
Option 2: insert into existing sentence: "was a
box office failure". Note phrase includes WP link to box office bomb.
Option 3: Do not include a box office failure or box office bomb/flop statement.
At least nine
WP:RSP sources refer to Dark Phoenix as a
box office bomb/flop. The film is one of the
top 100 money losers of all time.
ToeFungii (
talk)
00:42, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Note: A user in error believed this issue to have already been through a rfc when it has not. It has only been through talk page discussion without a consensus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ToeFungii ( talk • contribs) 02:21, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
The sources below are considered reliable by consensus at WP:RSP and WikiProject Film Resources.
Discussion: (please see above rfc for previous talk page discussion without consensus)
Sdkb (
talk ·
contribs) is wrong that there has been a rfc about this. there has only been talk page discussion that did not reach consensus.
"was a box office bomb"for me. El Millo ( talk) 06:24, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
When I went to the Dark Phoenix (film) page, I noticed that there are two list-defined reference errors. Please fix it. Aravindhan Ravikumar ( talk) 02:29, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
I’ve noticed that the New Mutants page states that the film had “mix” reception and I assume that is based on what Metacritic saying it has mix or average reviews.
Metacritic also says the same thing about Dark Phoenix, with it having a 43 rating just like New Mutants. They also have similar average ratings on Rotten Tomatoes, Dark Phoenix having a 4.6/10 and New Mutants having a 4.8/10.
So I and some others have tried to label the film’s reception as “mixed” as well. But there are those who want to label the film’s reception as negative because of the RT meter is so low. This doesn’t make much sense to me. Because the RT meter is not an average rating but the percentage of reviewers that liked a work.
A movie can have mostly “okay” reviews and get a high RT percentage such as the Bird of Prey film, which has a 6.8/10 average rating with 71%. Joker has a lower RT parentage than Birds of Prey with a 68%, but has a higher average rating with a 7.3/10.
As I said, the film’s average rating is similar to New Mutant’s on both Rotten Tomatoes, as well as Metacritic. So I think either New Mutants’ reception should be labeled as “negative” like Dark Phoenix. That or Dark Phoenix’s reception be labeled as “mixed”.
Also, I honestly think Metacritic has a bit more weight than Rotten Tomatoes since all the reviews it posts come from people who are actual critics. By that, I mean people who engage in criticisms (aka the judgement/analysis of the merits and faults of a work). While Rotten Tomatoes now collects “reviews” from bloggers, Youtubers, and casual websites that don’t necessarily engage in actual criticism. They often just tell you whether they like a work or not instead of making any kind of analysis. 98.110.50.133 ( talk) 03:39, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Ryan Reynolds didn't really mention that, he just mentioned that Logan is its own separate thing. 163.116.199.121 ( talk) 15:57, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
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Question: Should Dark Phoenix contain a statement regarding its box office failure in lede and box office section?
Option 1: "The film is widely described as a
box office bomb including by USAToday, Hollywood Reporter, Deadline Hollywood, and Variety."
Option 2: insert into existing sentence: "was a
box office failure". Note phrase includes WP link to box office bomb.
Option 3: Do not include a box office failure or box office bomb/flop statement.
At least nine
WP:RSP sources refer to Dark Phoenix as a
box office bomb/flop. The film is one of the
top 100 money losers of all time.
ToeFungii (
talk)
00:42, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Note: A user in error believed this issue to have already been through a rfc when it has not. It has only been through talk page discussion without a consensus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ToeFungii ( talk • contribs) 02:21, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
The sources below are considered reliable by consensus at WP:RSP and WikiProject Film Resources.
Discussion: (please see above rfc for previous talk page discussion without consensus)
Sdkb (
talk ·
contribs) is wrong that there has been a rfc about this. there has only been talk page discussion that did not reach consensus.
"was a box office bomb"for me. El Millo ( talk) 06:24, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
When I went to the Dark Phoenix (film) page, I noticed that there are two list-defined reference errors. Please fix it. Aravindhan Ravikumar ( talk) 02:29, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
I’ve noticed that the New Mutants page states that the film had “mix” reception and I assume that is based on what Metacritic saying it has mix or average reviews.
Metacritic also says the same thing about Dark Phoenix, with it having a 43 rating just like New Mutants. They also have similar average ratings on Rotten Tomatoes, Dark Phoenix having a 4.6/10 and New Mutants having a 4.8/10.
So I and some others have tried to label the film’s reception as “mixed” as well. But there are those who want to label the film’s reception as negative because of the RT meter is so low. This doesn’t make much sense to me. Because the RT meter is not an average rating but the percentage of reviewers that liked a work.
A movie can have mostly “okay” reviews and get a high RT percentage such as the Bird of Prey film, which has a 6.8/10 average rating with 71%. Joker has a lower RT parentage than Birds of Prey with a 68%, but has a higher average rating with a 7.3/10.
As I said, the film’s average rating is similar to New Mutant’s on both Rotten Tomatoes, as well as Metacritic. So I think either New Mutants’ reception should be labeled as “negative” like Dark Phoenix. That or Dark Phoenix’s reception be labeled as “mixed”.
Also, I honestly think Metacritic has a bit more weight than Rotten Tomatoes since all the reviews it posts come from people who are actual critics. By that, I mean people who engage in criticisms (aka the judgement/analysis of the merits and faults of a work). While Rotten Tomatoes now collects “reviews” from bloggers, Youtubers, and casual websites that don’t necessarily engage in actual criticism. They often just tell you whether they like a work or not instead of making any kind of analysis. 98.110.50.133 ( talk) 03:39, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Ryan Reynolds didn't really mention that, he just mentioned that Logan is its own separate thing. 163.116.199.121 ( talk) 15:57, 24 November 2022 (UTC)