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Today, postindustrial lament finds its place in the broken, dystopian visions of an entire school of work that includes William Gibson's Neuromancer and filmmaker Alex Proyas's Dark City.
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help)In 1998, Alex Proyas' Dark City was released. Like Gordon's Fortress, Dark City is a product of multinational and international film industry, with significant Australian creative input. The film was shot primarily at Fox Studios in Sydney, Proyas is Australian, and Australian actors Bruce Spence, Melissa George, David Wenham, and Colin Friels played substantial roles (135) ... Proyas' Dark City further explores the nexus between memory, reality and identity, yet this film goes beyond that to explore the age-old question of the degree to which reality is a construct of the mind, or whether reality is objective and independent of the person perceiving it. The real question posed by the film is to ask about the essence of a human being; what it is that makes one human. Proyas constructs a compelling, dystopic world with a visual and aural texture that rivals Blade Runner and Proyas' earlier film, The Crow (1994). Alien visitation and attempted domination is a parallel narrative which differentiates this film from Blade Runner (139).
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help)Alex Proyas's Dark City is a noir fantasy, a gnostic fable (I asked the director, also director of The Crow, if it was a gnostic fable, and he confirmed it was) about a man who finds himself on a search for truth and identity in a shapeshifting city that turns out to be a sort of living urban stage designed for sinister, arcane purposes by malignant entities&emdash;all may be a dream, or may not. Dark City is a more mature, artistically controlled film than The Matrix, and its thesis is perhaps a little less explicit, but parallels to The Matrix are striking.
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American Cinematographer has a DVD review. — Erik ( talk • contrib) 18:29, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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As Freud pointed out, when you are completely mad and you've sort of lost it all and the world has gone from you, you then have to fill up the empty space with hallucinations, voices, rays coming from God. And I think that was something really brilliant of Freud to have caught on to that. But people didn't think very much along those lines in those days. We've got through to that sort of thing now, I think."
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I'll be reviewing this article today and tomorrow. I'm kind of nit-picky, so be patient. My comments will be in the table below.
It should be noted that the editor who put this article up for a second Good Article nomination has made very minimal changes from the revision that Viriditas reviewed a few months ago. Also, see User:Erik/Dark City, where there are numerous references about the film that have yet to be used in the article. Erik ( talk | contribs) 12:20, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Given the comment above by Erik, it is my opinion that this article needs significant work before being re-nominated. It currently does not meet the GA standards, and should not have been nominated. However, this article should be expanded and re-nominated in the future. I may even help, because this is a favorite film of mine.
In regard to the recent edits, I posted a question here in order to get the opinions of editors involved in Wikiproject Film. --- RepublicanJacobite TheFortyFive 06:34, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
To me the most obvious feature of the movie was the implicit criticism of priesthoods: Catholic, Orthodox, and/or Jewish. Mr. Book (Book = Bible, get it?) is like the pope, or patriarch, or maybe chief rabbi. The priests are all male. They all wear cassocks. The hats are similar to those worn by many rabbis. They are deeply interested in, or prying into, the lives of the people (parishioners, etc.), and putting ideas in their heads. They don't do any ordinary labor. They rule by virtue of their mental abilities. Murdoch defeats the priesthood with superior mental abilities when he breaks out of his leather band on the head from which he is bleeding (crown of thorns!) while lashed to a wheel-like object (crucifix), unlike Jesus who just had to take it.
Surely some well known movie critic must have noticed this. 200.83.106.120 ( talk) 22:59, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Just saw the movie yesterday in a old-movies TV channel, I have some doubts. In the article it states that after breaking the brick wall its showed that the whole city was built over a Space habitat. However I dont know if it was my TV screen, but I saw something that looked more to me to The Void than Space, In other words that the city was build over a platform in the middle of The Void. Not outer space, also one character (the doctor) claimed that those beigns could even create/shut down the sun if they want to (Something the Protagonist does at the very end of the Movie). My question is this? Was the whole place/location of the movie (City and Space) a Creation of those especies?? Out of the City some could be considered it Outer Space, but also could be Part of the Universe, a Universe made by those creatures. In other words that no Earth exist and those humans are made to believe they come from somewhere, when in reality they are just something adquired by the aliens for their purposes. Mr.User200 ( talk) 16:53, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
This sentence is misleading: "The film continues to be reviewed positively; over the years, however, many critics have pointed out its similarities with the highly successful Matrix series, with some even accusing it of plagiarism" The word "however" indicates an opposition toward the stated positive reviews, HOWEVER, the alleged plagiarism is OF dark city BY the matrix. There is bad subject/object agreement (what is "it").
The sentence should read something more like The film continues to be reviewed positively; additionally, many critics have pointed out Dark City's similarities with the later, highly successful Matrix series, with some even accusing the latter of plagiarism.
This would clear up the confusion. - 50.156.18.22 ( talk) 06:23, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
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Though the film has a film noir feel, and many of the props suggest the 1940s (Inspector Blumstead drives a 1940's sedan, for instance), there are too many anachronisms to set the film in that period. The cab that Murdoch rides is a Checker Marathon, not made until the 1950s, and the police cars (and most of the other cars) are from the 1960s. Mr Hand also indicated that the city is a pastiche' of eras. -- Badger151 ( talk) 01:50, 15 August 2016 (UTC) (edited: changed "William Hurt" to "Inspector Blumstead" -- Badger151 ( talk) 01:54, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
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Indeed, so why no background anent the role of the Sun?
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Today, postindustrial lament finds its place in the broken, dystopian visions of an entire school of work that includes William Gibson's Neuromancer and filmmaker Alex Proyas's Dark City.
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help)Alex Proyas's Dark City is a noir fantasy, a gnostic fable (I asked the director, also director of The Crow, if it was a gnostic fable, and he confirmed it was) about a man who finds himself on a search for truth and identity in a shapeshifting city that turns out to be a sort of living urban stage designed for sinister, arcane purposes by malignant entities&emdash;all may be a dream, or may not. Dark City is a more mature, artistically controlled film than The Matrix, and its thesis is perhaps a little less explicit, but parallels to The Matrix are striking.
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help)Ridley Scott's Blade Runner initiated the category of 'future noir,' continuing into the stunning images of Alex Proyas' Dark City, one of the most remarkable-looking films of recent years.
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help)We have noted above how certain films establish dream-like settings where the elements of the carnivalesque are played out. There is also division of spaces into liminal zones where social inversion operates within the world order. Once more, one of the distinguishing features of this is that these spaces are not in themselves always marked out as difference. For this reason, something like Alex Proyas's Dark City (1998), where there are explanations offered to the social inversions of the city, has a different sense of the carnivalesque from that of the dark recesses of cities such as those found in City of Lost Children (Jeunet and Caro 1995) or The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover and A Zed & Two Noughts (Greenaway 1985) where the warped social environment is the norm.
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American Cinematographer has a DVD review. — Erik ( talk • contrib) 18:29, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Viriditas ( talk) 05:47, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
As Freud pointed out, when you are completely mad and you've sort of lost it all and the world has gone from you, you then have to fill up the empty space with hallucinations, voices, rays coming from God. And I think that was something really brilliant of Freud to have caught on to that. But people didn't think very much along those lines in those days. We've got through to that sort of thing now, I think."
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I'll be reviewing this article today and tomorrow. I'm kind of nit-picky, so be patient. My comments will be in the table below.
It should be noted that the editor who put this article up for a second Good Article nomination has made very minimal changes from the revision that Viriditas reviewed a few months ago. Also, see User:Erik/Dark City, where there are numerous references about the film that have yet to be used in the article. Erik ( talk | contribs) 12:20, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Given the comment above by Erik, it is my opinion that this article needs significant work before being re-nominated. It currently does not meet the GA standards, and should not have been nominated. However, this article should be expanded and re-nominated in the future. I may even help, because this is a favorite film of mine.
In regard to the recent edits, I posted a question here in order to get the opinions of editors involved in Wikiproject Film. --- RepublicanJacobite TheFortyFive 06:34, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
To me the most obvious feature of the movie was the implicit criticism of priesthoods: Catholic, Orthodox, and/or Jewish. Mr. Book (Book = Bible, get it?) is like the pope, or patriarch, or maybe chief rabbi. The priests are all male. They all wear cassocks. The hats are similar to those worn by many rabbis. They are deeply interested in, or prying into, the lives of the people (parishioners, etc.), and putting ideas in their heads. They don't do any ordinary labor. They rule by virtue of their mental abilities. Murdoch defeats the priesthood with superior mental abilities when he breaks out of his leather band on the head from which he is bleeding (crown of thorns!) while lashed to a wheel-like object (crucifix), unlike Jesus who just had to take it.
Surely some well known movie critic must have noticed this. 200.83.106.120 ( talk) 22:59, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Just saw the movie yesterday in a old-movies TV channel, I have some doubts. In the article it states that after breaking the brick wall its showed that the whole city was built over a Space habitat. However I dont know if it was my TV screen, but I saw something that looked more to me to The Void than Space, In other words that the city was build over a platform in the middle of The Void. Not outer space, also one character (the doctor) claimed that those beigns could even create/shut down the sun if they want to (Something the Protagonist does at the very end of the Movie). My question is this? Was the whole place/location of the movie (City and Space) a Creation of those especies?? Out of the City some could be considered it Outer Space, but also could be Part of the Universe, a Universe made by those creatures. In other words that no Earth exist and those humans are made to believe they come from somewhere, when in reality they are just something adquired by the aliens for their purposes. Mr.User200 ( talk) 16:53, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
This sentence is misleading: "The film continues to be reviewed positively; over the years, however, many critics have pointed out its similarities with the highly successful Matrix series, with some even accusing it of plagiarism" The word "however" indicates an opposition toward the stated positive reviews, HOWEVER, the alleged plagiarism is OF dark city BY the matrix. There is bad subject/object agreement (what is "it").
The sentence should read something more like The film continues to be reviewed positively; additionally, many critics have pointed out Dark City's similarities with the later, highly successful Matrix series, with some even accusing the latter of plagiarism.
This would clear up the confusion. - 50.156.18.22 ( talk) 06:23, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
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Though the film has a film noir feel, and many of the props suggest the 1940s (Inspector Blumstead drives a 1940's sedan, for instance), there are too many anachronisms to set the film in that period. The cab that Murdoch rides is a Checker Marathon, not made until the 1950s, and the police cars (and most of the other cars) are from the 1960s. Mr Hand also indicated that the city is a pastiche' of eras. -- Badger151 ( talk) 01:50, 15 August 2016 (UTC) (edited: changed "William Hurt" to "Inspector Blumstead" -- Badger151 ( talk) 01:54, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
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Indeed, so why no background anent the role of the Sun?