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"Daria, wears rounded, thick glasses and shapeless, bulky sweaters. John Allemang of The Globe and Mail said "to surrender is to be normal, to sacrifice your brain in the rush to be popular and wear uncomfortable shoes that make your legs look hot. Daria, as always, keeps her integrity. She wears sensible shoes, and finds her intellectual reward in not being hot." [1] " I would describe her shirt as a blazer. Also, Jane refers to her footwear as "boots" in episode 2. Just saying. 24.68.48.130 ( talk) 20:20, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
The birthdate given for Daria is undoubtedly incorrect.
First, there is a long-standing controversy over the real-time year the series ended (see the discussion section of the Stacy Rowe article). Second, we absolutely know that Daria was not born in March. A source from Beavis and Butt-head indicates that Daria is a Scorpio; therefore Daria was born between late October and late November.
The Daria characters need to have a template which shows, relatives, height, weight, relatives, friends, religion, and also, likes and dislikes. -- PJ Pete
If anyone has any, I think there should be a "memorable quotes" section here. I know, she has a lot of quotes, but still, there ought to be a section. Magicflyinlemur 21:45, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Daria was in high school in every episode of the cartoon. She graduated from high school in the telefilm, Is It College Yet?. The final episode of the cartoon was Boxing Daria, though it didn't have anything to do with graduation, but the episode took place in some of the times before Daria graduated from high school. -- PJ Pete
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Daria_Morgendorffer&diff=322690720&oldid=322497021 "revert--this doesn't seem to be a source that merits weight in the article"
This is from an academic journal called The Journal of Popular Film & Television - Academic journals are the highest among the reliable source totem pole on Wikipedia. It is acceptable if you can find another place for or otherwise organize differently the "Dennis says that Daria finds homosexuality disgusting" attribute. However, it would be unacceptable to remove this from the article. WhisperToMe ( talk) 07:49, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
I'll state my rationale more clearly. First, that journal strikes me as a little shaky. If we can find out how often it's cited by other academics, then I'm open to persuasion on this point. However, despite my serious concerns about the quality of the sourcing, even if that were not an issue, the opinion strikes me as so completely bizarre and so disconnected from the text of the show that it's analogous to a fringe opinion. The article is behind a paywall, so I can't read it just by clicking the link; it would be helpful to see what text from the show the author cites to support his position. If it's just a "sense" he gets from watching the show, then the fact that he got some random journal to publish it doesn't mean we need to highlight his opinion. Would a single journal article be an adequate source for an editor to put ANYTHING in ANY article on Wikipedia? Croctotheface ( talk) 09:07, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Also, to the idea that "sources decide what's important," a Google news search for daria mtv returned 1200 hits, some of which were grouped together. When I searched for daria mtv homosexuality in the same manner, 13 results came up, none of which said anything like what our article says. You're not following what the sources think is important, you're highlighting a fringe view that the sources do not consider important at all. Croctotheface ( talk) 09:32, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
(removing indents) If we accept your view here, then we can literally never exclude ANYTHING that appears in an academic journal from any article to which it is remotely relevant. Pick any crazy-ass viewpoint; so long as someone said it in a peer reviewed article (even if the journal isn't affiliated with a university), then it has to go in. I think that if you stop and think about the ramifications of what you're saying, you might reconsider--and either way, that view is not the consensus view on this encyclopedia. Croctotheface ( talk) 05:25, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
WhisperToMe ( talk) 18:18, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
(removing indents) Whisper, come on: you didn't address anything I raised here, except to say you don't think there's a balance problem right now. That's a subjective statement. Assuming you mean you don't think that referencing the Dennis article creates a balance problem, then, well, I do think it does. That's what this debate is about. In general, please stop treating me like a rookie editor. I understand that you've been here forever and think you know everything about how Wikipedia works. If you don't want to consider my opinions, fine, but don't try to dismiss them as uneducated. I've read that essay. (As you may suspect, "I don't like it.") I think that it says some silly things, but my major issue is that people think they have a license to dismiss any opinion they disagree with as another editor saying "WP:IDONTLIKEIT." That seems like what you've tried to do here. Croctotheface ( talk) 21:25, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
WhisperToMe ( talk) 21:53, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
This RFC is about whether one should post the views of a person who wrote an article about cartoon characters and homosexuality in a peer-reviewed journal article.
Jeffrey P. Dennis, author of "The Same Thing We Do Every Night: Signifying Same-Sex Desire in Television Cartoons," ( Journal of Popular Film & Television) wrote his interpretation of views of Daria characters and homosexuality
One user says that this is not significant enough to merit posting, while another user says that this is significant enough.
Refer to Talk:Daria_Morgendorffer#Daria_and_her_attitude_towards_homosexuality for previous discussion. WhisperToMe ( talk) 02:28, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
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"Daria, wears rounded, thick glasses and shapeless, bulky sweaters. John Allemang of The Globe and Mail said "to surrender is to be normal, to sacrifice your brain in the rush to be popular and wear uncomfortable shoes that make your legs look hot. Daria, as always, keeps her integrity. She wears sensible shoes, and finds her intellectual reward in not being hot." [1] " I would describe her shirt as a blazer. Also, Jane refers to her footwear as "boots" in episode 2. Just saying. 24.68.48.130 ( talk) 20:20, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
The birthdate given for Daria is undoubtedly incorrect.
First, there is a long-standing controversy over the real-time year the series ended (see the discussion section of the Stacy Rowe article). Second, we absolutely know that Daria was not born in March. A source from Beavis and Butt-head indicates that Daria is a Scorpio; therefore Daria was born between late October and late November.
The Daria characters need to have a template which shows, relatives, height, weight, relatives, friends, religion, and also, likes and dislikes. -- PJ Pete
If anyone has any, I think there should be a "memorable quotes" section here. I know, she has a lot of quotes, but still, there ought to be a section. Magicflyinlemur 21:45, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Daria was in high school in every episode of the cartoon. She graduated from high school in the telefilm, Is It College Yet?. The final episode of the cartoon was Boxing Daria, though it didn't have anything to do with graduation, but the episode took place in some of the times before Daria graduated from high school. -- PJ Pete
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Daria_Morgendorffer&diff=322690720&oldid=322497021 "revert--this doesn't seem to be a source that merits weight in the article"
This is from an academic journal called The Journal of Popular Film & Television - Academic journals are the highest among the reliable source totem pole on Wikipedia. It is acceptable if you can find another place for or otherwise organize differently the "Dennis says that Daria finds homosexuality disgusting" attribute. However, it would be unacceptable to remove this from the article. WhisperToMe ( talk) 07:49, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
I'll state my rationale more clearly. First, that journal strikes me as a little shaky. If we can find out how often it's cited by other academics, then I'm open to persuasion on this point. However, despite my serious concerns about the quality of the sourcing, even if that were not an issue, the opinion strikes me as so completely bizarre and so disconnected from the text of the show that it's analogous to a fringe opinion. The article is behind a paywall, so I can't read it just by clicking the link; it would be helpful to see what text from the show the author cites to support his position. If it's just a "sense" he gets from watching the show, then the fact that he got some random journal to publish it doesn't mean we need to highlight his opinion. Would a single journal article be an adequate source for an editor to put ANYTHING in ANY article on Wikipedia? Croctotheface ( talk) 09:07, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Also, to the idea that "sources decide what's important," a Google news search for daria mtv returned 1200 hits, some of which were grouped together. When I searched for daria mtv homosexuality in the same manner, 13 results came up, none of which said anything like what our article says. You're not following what the sources think is important, you're highlighting a fringe view that the sources do not consider important at all. Croctotheface ( talk) 09:32, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
(removing indents) If we accept your view here, then we can literally never exclude ANYTHING that appears in an academic journal from any article to which it is remotely relevant. Pick any crazy-ass viewpoint; so long as someone said it in a peer reviewed article (even if the journal isn't affiliated with a university), then it has to go in. I think that if you stop and think about the ramifications of what you're saying, you might reconsider--and either way, that view is not the consensus view on this encyclopedia. Croctotheface ( talk) 05:25, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
WhisperToMe ( talk) 18:18, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
(removing indents) Whisper, come on: you didn't address anything I raised here, except to say you don't think there's a balance problem right now. That's a subjective statement. Assuming you mean you don't think that referencing the Dennis article creates a balance problem, then, well, I do think it does. That's what this debate is about. In general, please stop treating me like a rookie editor. I understand that you've been here forever and think you know everything about how Wikipedia works. If you don't want to consider my opinions, fine, but don't try to dismiss them as uneducated. I've read that essay. (As you may suspect, "I don't like it.") I think that it says some silly things, but my major issue is that people think they have a license to dismiss any opinion they disagree with as another editor saying "WP:IDONTLIKEIT." That seems like what you've tried to do here. Croctotheface ( talk) 21:25, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
WhisperToMe ( talk) 21:53, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
This RFC is about whether one should post the views of a person who wrote an article about cartoon characters and homosexuality in a peer-reviewed journal article.
Jeffrey P. Dennis, author of "The Same Thing We Do Every Night: Signifying Same-Sex Desire in Television Cartoons," ( Journal of Popular Film & Television) wrote his interpretation of views of Daria characters and homosexuality
One user says that this is not significant enough to merit posting, while another user says that this is significant enough.
Refer to Talk:Daria_Morgendorffer#Daria_and_her_attitude_towards_homosexuality for previous discussion. WhisperToMe ( talk) 02:28, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
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