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Done. -- Jasabella 09:03, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the picture, Jasa. In view of
the form these pastries take is significantly different from country to country
perhaps this differentiation needs more follow-up, since that picture really does not look very much at all like a "British" Danish pastry! (See Exhibit GB: [1]) -- Picapica 9 July 2005 15:12 (UTC)
why was the section about the muslim boycott/proposed name change removed? i fail to see the bigotry in this and hence i will revert to the older edit.
The result of the debate was don't move. — Nightst a llion (?) 14:11, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Danish pastry → Danish (pastry) - because its name is "danish", not "danish pastry".
Muhammad was not portrayed as a suicide bomber. Changed this article to reflect that. Please see the Muhammad Cartoons article for more, including the actual cartoons themselves. Godfrey Daniel 02:20, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Does the danish name not refer to "Wien" (A city in Germany). A strange thing is that in Germany a Danish Pastry is called "Copenhagenbrücel" (Or sometging like that) (Copenhagen is the capital of Denmark).
Edit: Forget what i said......
I also think the article is wrong. It states that Danish pastry is thought to come from Vienna. This is however only true as folk tale or urban legend. In truth the name "Wienerbrød" refers the layers in the pastry and as such is a style, not an origin. Carewolf 10:28, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I thought that in Denmark, a Danish was ironically called "American bread".
Ice on a wooden stick is called a popsicle in America. See the wiki article for Ice_pop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_pop —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.142.24 ( talk) 21:32, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
But, has anybody ever managed to Purchase "Danish Patry" in Danmark? NO, as it is called "Austrian Pastry" in Danmark!!! Wiener Feinbäckerei ist the Key!!! And just to add a few eggs to an allready known receipe, does not make it really different or inventive.
Or can I call a Black Forest Gateau my own if I just just a few more eggs? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.169.53.66 ( talk) 14:33, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure the American version is usually made with pastry cream and not baker's cheese. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.95.70.158 ( talk) 23:49, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
A line was removed that ik DK it's mostly eaten on sundays and special occasions. Line rm due to no source. Anyway, in many familys this is quite the actual situation, but others eat danish pastry for the afternoon coffee on any day when it's available. When to eat it is very much a matter of family or workplace tradition and might differ from person to person. G®iffen 19:08, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
"...where she's just made coffee and, yes, danish, for the workshop team. "We should call these pastries 'American' because they're certainly not native to Denmark," she says with a laugh. "Come and get your coffee and 'American'! How does that sound?" source 67.101.158.30 ( talk) 17:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Should a link to The Utterly Danish Pastries of Denmark be added to the External Links section? Though written in a light tone this article is very informative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Henrikthiil ( talk • contribs) 06:17, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm confused as to why the article was moved to the current title "Danish (pastry)" when the result of the only debate on this page was "don't move". Anonymous watcher ( talk) 10:14, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa ( talk) 03:23, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Danish (pastry) → Danish pastry – This article was previously hosted at Danish pastry, and the only previous move request on this topic, to move it from Danish pastry to the current title, was rejected back in 2006. Despite this it was later unilaterally moved with no discussion so should be moved back to its original home. — Amakuru ( talk) 12:42, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
I think the naming question is a little more complicated than perhaps has been explored above.
The infobox picture is currently [3] captioned A glazed apple danish, and I think that's accurate and general usage. Apple danish pastry is correct but rare, some menus perhaps. It's only where there's no such qualification that the pastry is added.
This may be some of the reason for the confusion above... two RMs, the second simply reinstating the result of the first after an undiscussed move in the meantime. Andrewa ( talk) 03:35, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
I have made some changes at the request of a Danish citizen, who had useful information but not very good English. -- Greenmaven ( talk) 01:54, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
As a Dane I can recognise the statement, that bakery products from that era was given exotic sounding names. Primarily French sounding ones. But I think it should be sourced and exemplified. The example given was "Franskbrød", like this:
<quote>For instance a plain wheat flour bread is called 'Franskbrød' ("French bread"), even though it has almost nothing to do with French bread.</quote>
This is not a good example. Let me explain. Traditionally rye bread is eaten in Denmark and only wheat bread on occasion. In France wheat bread is the stable bread and hence wheat bread became known as French Bread, because that is what they eat in France. It was thus not to give wheat bread an exotic name, but to express the cultural differences as seen from a Danish perspective. In addition, I believe that the name Franskbrød was adopted much earlier than the time period discussed.
If we need examples, Remonce is a good example and also Fragilité (look it up on Wiki Commons). There are probably many other examples. RhinoMind ( talk) 08:28, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Discussion temporarily suspended for 3 days. I really don't understand the vehemence of the disagreements here, by people who should know better. Everyone here has been on WP a long time, everyone has the best interests of the encyclopedia in mind. Per my comments at WP:ANI, I'm creating a 3 day vacation for everyone, rather than continuing this arguing here on the talk page. Please edit other stuff and regain perspective. If this article has been left in a state you don't like don't worry, it isn't permanent. People who disagree with you are not the enemy. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 18:57, 17 February 2015 (UTC) |
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User:Peter Isotalo changed the representing image on the page (twice) and the following discussion unfoldede on his personal page. I have now copied it here, to follow the WP guidelines. RhinoMind ( talk) 19:14, 9 February 2015 (UTC) Hello. I reverted your image swap on the Danish pastry page. Danish pastry is much more than what is known as a "Danish" in the USA. I insist you read the article on Danish pastry to improve your knowledge. There is also a large category on WikiCommons, displaying assorted Danish pastries. I think it would be quite educational for you. Let us use the Talk:Danish pastry to discuss further if needed. Cheers. RhinoMind ( talk) 16:52, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
As a compromise, I've moved down RhinoMind's image and replaced it with a different high-quality close-up of a Danish. I see no references for the suggestion that a kanelstang, chokoladesnegle or brunsvier are defined as Danish pastries, and there's even a lonely croissant in there. Peter Isotalo 22:55, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
And I still believe that this particular image does not work well as illustration due to its poor composition. The individual pastries are jumbled and angled so that few distinctive marks or shapes can be discerned. Overall, the lighting makes them all blend together into a single light-brown mass. It's not a good photo, no matter how much variation it shows. Peter Isotalo 22:55, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
I agree that Sweden and matters Swedish were slightly over-represented in this article and have done my best to correct that now, as well as a bit of grammar, spelling, redunds and Swenglish and/or reversed Danglish. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 23:02, 16 February 2015 (UTC) PS I object very strongly to some of the langaage used in this discussion, such as accusations about obesssions and other such personal attacks. Reminds me of the sarcastic and condescending way things often are discussed on Swedish Wikipedia, which, thank Goodness, there we have effective ways of dealing with out here on the English project. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 00:57, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
As a further notice, I want everybody here to know, that this is all a sick prank from User:Peter Isotalo. You can follow his (and User:Bishonen's) twisted amusements here: User talk:Bishonen. I think we should report this when time permits. They are both intelligent people and are long time Wikipedia users and knows a lot better than this. Incidents like this should not be accepted at all on Wikipedia from anyone, even less so from people like them. RhinoMind ( talk) 19:14, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
To Peter. Im glad for your responses, but what you did is still unacceptable. None of us should take this too personal. I will try to stop the nature of what you did. As said, I have experienced similar stuff from other users and it cannot go on. Especially not from experienced users. This is the reason I am in this. If I was new to wikipedia I would probably just quit the project (I am afraid some people do), but I am not new to Wikipedia. I really got to go now. I do have a life you know (and a job). RhinoMind ( talk) 20:22, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
With a rather amazing, not to say irrelevant, edit summary - "revert some overly complicated sentences" - a user with whom I feel there have been neutrality problems before has reverted three of my recent corrections w/o discussion here.
I will be reverting back to my considerately and carefully worded versions (without the embarrassing typo) unless anyone neutral can convince me not to do so. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 00:50, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Why focus on the other nordic countries?
I only changed hitherto which was grammatically incorrect in the context, to thitherto, which was correct, so I don't appreciate being sloppily accused of using archaic wording myself, especially when so accused by an administrator on English Wikipedia who "can contribute with a professional level of English". I also continue to object to condescending and sarcastic remarks/orders like "If you want to include all the separate spellings of wienerbrød, WP:SOFIXIT instead of griping about it on the talkpage". Let me, as a user with English as my first language, having taught and edited English for over 40 years and had many of my texts published by reputable publishers, clarify that the following sentence is not confusing to any normal reader of English who does not have ulterior motives (such as camaraderie and/or the want my way syndrome) for finding it confusing:
The term för Danish pastry used in Denmark and Norway is wienerbrød. That term, just like other terms used in Sweden and Finland, translates into English as "Viennese bread". The fact that it so translates also includes Finland where it is a matter of dispute whether or not their language (geographically only, if so) can be called Scandinavian. This translation phenomenon does not include "all" universally recognized Scandinavian languages because in Icelandic the pastry is called Danska sætabrauð with no reference to Vienna. I don't know what it's called in Faroese. The sentence I wrote (except for the typo) says the same thing, excluding incorrect info, in much less words and more smoothly and elegantly, in perfectly understandable English. It also does not unnecessarily clutter up the text with even more highlighted foreign words. You people have ganged up on RhinoMind and Kim D. Petersen on this talk page in a way that I find absolutely appalling, and I guess you're now trying to target me. So we'll have days and days of more sarcasm and unfounded biased critique to look forward to, I suppose. Besides all that, I stand by all of my previous comments, and I support Petersen 100% in all of h. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 15:17, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Scandinavia [a] is a historical and cultural-linguistic region in Northern Europe characterized by a common ethno-cultural Germanic heritage and related languages. It comprises the three kingdoms of Norway, Denmark, and Sweden. Modern Norway and Sweden proper [b] are situated on the Scandinavian Peninsula, whereas modern Denmark is situated on the Danish islands and Jutland. The term "Scandinavia" is historically used for Denmark, Norway and Sweden, and is still used that way in Scandinavia and in most uses in English, the name "Scandinavia" is derived from the formerly Danish, now Swedish, region Scania. Regards. Hafspajen ( talk) 15:35, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
An image caption gives priority to the "Spandauer" term (virtually unknown to the English language), by placing it first, rather than having the word Danish first. I can't understand the logic behind that revert being done over and over. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 16:54, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
I can't see how it's relevant or appropriate to clutter up the arcticle's text with an excessive amount of phonetically obstructive foreign words such as the pastry's name in Swedish and Finnish. Repeated reverts on this detail don't seem to me to be be constructive. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 17:01, 17 February 2015 (UTC) As discussed at length in a section above, with no agreement, though the text is reverted time and time again, this image as far as I can see contains nothing but various types of Danish pastry, with the exception of one single croissant (which interestingly enough is made of the same kind of dough). I do not understand why one user feels it's so important to make those reverts all the time, when our readers would be well informed to know that all those different types of baked goods are Danish pastries. I'll try a clearer caption once more. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 17:11, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
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In the beginning of the article, the description says: "it is the most common form of wienerbrød ('Vienna Bread') and is known as Kanelsnegl; 'cinnamon snail'". The Swedish cinnamon roll (and caradmom roll, for that matter) has a completely different type of dough than any kind of wienerbröd, which means that the section on swedish cinnamon roll does not belong to the article, unless the description is modified. Kazen 90 ( talk) 19:37, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
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This rather tedious removal keeps being done. Seems apparent that someone does not know the difference between a food item occurring in a country's regular cuisine and the origin of that item. I will reinstate the categories unless anyone can come up with a good reason not to. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 10:35, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
I think this section should be deleted. The controversy was more than 15 years ago, and the article says it was short-lived, so it is not clear to me that this is notable at all, but if it is, it belongs in the article on the cartoons. It is not a major part of the long and rich history of these pastries. I will delete it if there are no objections here on talk. Doric Loon ( talk) 17:57, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
@ Woodlandscaley for the origin of the Danish pastry, we have this information in Oxford companion to food. [1] "The Danish name for Danish pastries is Wienerbrød, ‘Vienna bread’ (the name by which these recipes are known throughout Scandinavia and N. Germany, where they are also popular). The reverse also applies; in Vienna a similar thing is known as ein Kopenhagener. However, as Birgit Siesby (1988) has pointed out, the Danish Wienerbrød, which must be counted as the ‘true’ Danish pastry, is very different from the sticky pastry Kopenhagener sold in Vienna and from British and American"
It's difficult to conclude, and I have personally never been to Denmark so I don't know how it looks there. It seems that there are in fact three close but different products, in the US, in Denmark and in Austria, linked by their names (Danish pastry, wienerbrod, Kopenhagener) 45.70.56.229 ( talk) 14:47, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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Done. -- Jasabella 09:03, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the picture, Jasa. In view of
the form these pastries take is significantly different from country to country
perhaps this differentiation needs more follow-up, since that picture really does not look very much at all like a "British" Danish pastry! (See Exhibit GB: [1]) -- Picapica 9 July 2005 15:12 (UTC)
why was the section about the muslim boycott/proposed name change removed? i fail to see the bigotry in this and hence i will revert to the older edit.
The result of the debate was don't move. — Nightst a llion (?) 14:11, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Danish pastry → Danish (pastry) - because its name is "danish", not "danish pastry".
Muhammad was not portrayed as a suicide bomber. Changed this article to reflect that. Please see the Muhammad Cartoons article for more, including the actual cartoons themselves. Godfrey Daniel 02:20, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Does the danish name not refer to "Wien" (A city in Germany). A strange thing is that in Germany a Danish Pastry is called "Copenhagenbrücel" (Or sometging like that) (Copenhagen is the capital of Denmark).
Edit: Forget what i said......
I also think the article is wrong. It states that Danish pastry is thought to come from Vienna. This is however only true as folk tale or urban legend. In truth the name "Wienerbrød" refers the layers in the pastry and as such is a style, not an origin. Carewolf 10:28, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I thought that in Denmark, a Danish was ironically called "American bread".
Ice on a wooden stick is called a popsicle in America. See the wiki article for Ice_pop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_pop —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.142.24 ( talk) 21:32, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
But, has anybody ever managed to Purchase "Danish Patry" in Danmark? NO, as it is called "Austrian Pastry" in Danmark!!! Wiener Feinbäckerei ist the Key!!! And just to add a few eggs to an allready known receipe, does not make it really different or inventive.
Or can I call a Black Forest Gateau my own if I just just a few more eggs? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.169.53.66 ( talk) 14:33, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure the American version is usually made with pastry cream and not baker's cheese. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.95.70.158 ( talk) 23:49, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
A line was removed that ik DK it's mostly eaten on sundays and special occasions. Line rm due to no source. Anyway, in many familys this is quite the actual situation, but others eat danish pastry for the afternoon coffee on any day when it's available. When to eat it is very much a matter of family or workplace tradition and might differ from person to person. G®iffen 19:08, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
"...where she's just made coffee and, yes, danish, for the workshop team. "We should call these pastries 'American' because they're certainly not native to Denmark," she says with a laugh. "Come and get your coffee and 'American'! How does that sound?" source 67.101.158.30 ( talk) 17:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Should a link to The Utterly Danish Pastries of Denmark be added to the External Links section? Though written in a light tone this article is very informative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Henrikthiil ( talk • contribs) 06:17, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm confused as to why the article was moved to the current title "Danish (pastry)" when the result of the only debate on this page was "don't move". Anonymous watcher ( talk) 10:14, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa ( talk) 03:23, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Danish (pastry) → Danish pastry – This article was previously hosted at Danish pastry, and the only previous move request on this topic, to move it from Danish pastry to the current title, was rejected back in 2006. Despite this it was later unilaterally moved with no discussion so should be moved back to its original home. — Amakuru ( talk) 12:42, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
I think the naming question is a little more complicated than perhaps has been explored above.
The infobox picture is currently [3] captioned A glazed apple danish, and I think that's accurate and general usage. Apple danish pastry is correct but rare, some menus perhaps. It's only where there's no such qualification that the pastry is added.
This may be some of the reason for the confusion above... two RMs, the second simply reinstating the result of the first after an undiscussed move in the meantime. Andrewa ( talk) 03:35, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
I have made some changes at the request of a Danish citizen, who had useful information but not very good English. -- Greenmaven ( talk) 01:54, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
As a Dane I can recognise the statement, that bakery products from that era was given exotic sounding names. Primarily French sounding ones. But I think it should be sourced and exemplified. The example given was "Franskbrød", like this:
<quote>For instance a plain wheat flour bread is called 'Franskbrød' ("French bread"), even though it has almost nothing to do with French bread.</quote>
This is not a good example. Let me explain. Traditionally rye bread is eaten in Denmark and only wheat bread on occasion. In France wheat bread is the stable bread and hence wheat bread became known as French Bread, because that is what they eat in France. It was thus not to give wheat bread an exotic name, but to express the cultural differences as seen from a Danish perspective. In addition, I believe that the name Franskbrød was adopted much earlier than the time period discussed.
If we need examples, Remonce is a good example and also Fragilité (look it up on Wiki Commons). There are probably many other examples. RhinoMind ( talk) 08:28, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Discussion temporarily suspended for 3 days. I really don't understand the vehemence of the disagreements here, by people who should know better. Everyone here has been on WP a long time, everyone has the best interests of the encyclopedia in mind. Per my comments at WP:ANI, I'm creating a 3 day vacation for everyone, rather than continuing this arguing here on the talk page. Please edit other stuff and regain perspective. If this article has been left in a state you don't like don't worry, it isn't permanent. People who disagree with you are not the enemy. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 18:57, 17 February 2015 (UTC) |
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User:Peter Isotalo changed the representing image on the page (twice) and the following discussion unfoldede on his personal page. I have now copied it here, to follow the WP guidelines. RhinoMind ( talk) 19:14, 9 February 2015 (UTC) Hello. I reverted your image swap on the Danish pastry page. Danish pastry is much more than what is known as a "Danish" in the USA. I insist you read the article on Danish pastry to improve your knowledge. There is also a large category on WikiCommons, displaying assorted Danish pastries. I think it would be quite educational for you. Let us use the Talk:Danish pastry to discuss further if needed. Cheers. RhinoMind ( talk) 16:52, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
As a compromise, I've moved down RhinoMind's image and replaced it with a different high-quality close-up of a Danish. I see no references for the suggestion that a kanelstang, chokoladesnegle or brunsvier are defined as Danish pastries, and there's even a lonely croissant in there. Peter Isotalo 22:55, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
And I still believe that this particular image does not work well as illustration due to its poor composition. The individual pastries are jumbled and angled so that few distinctive marks or shapes can be discerned. Overall, the lighting makes them all blend together into a single light-brown mass. It's not a good photo, no matter how much variation it shows. Peter Isotalo 22:55, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
I agree that Sweden and matters Swedish were slightly over-represented in this article and have done my best to correct that now, as well as a bit of grammar, spelling, redunds and Swenglish and/or reversed Danglish. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 23:02, 16 February 2015 (UTC) PS I object very strongly to some of the langaage used in this discussion, such as accusations about obesssions and other such personal attacks. Reminds me of the sarcastic and condescending way things often are discussed on Swedish Wikipedia, which, thank Goodness, there we have effective ways of dealing with out here on the English project. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 00:57, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
As a further notice, I want everybody here to know, that this is all a sick prank from User:Peter Isotalo. You can follow his (and User:Bishonen's) twisted amusements here: User talk:Bishonen. I think we should report this when time permits. They are both intelligent people and are long time Wikipedia users and knows a lot better than this. Incidents like this should not be accepted at all on Wikipedia from anyone, even less so from people like them. RhinoMind ( talk) 19:14, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
To Peter. Im glad for your responses, but what you did is still unacceptable. None of us should take this too personal. I will try to stop the nature of what you did. As said, I have experienced similar stuff from other users and it cannot go on. Especially not from experienced users. This is the reason I am in this. If I was new to wikipedia I would probably just quit the project (I am afraid some people do), but I am not new to Wikipedia. I really got to go now. I do have a life you know (and a job). RhinoMind ( talk) 20:22, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
With a rather amazing, not to say irrelevant, edit summary - "revert some overly complicated sentences" - a user with whom I feel there have been neutrality problems before has reverted three of my recent corrections w/o discussion here.
I will be reverting back to my considerately and carefully worded versions (without the embarrassing typo) unless anyone neutral can convince me not to do so. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 00:50, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Why focus on the other nordic countries?
I only changed hitherto which was grammatically incorrect in the context, to thitherto, which was correct, so I don't appreciate being sloppily accused of using archaic wording myself, especially when so accused by an administrator on English Wikipedia who "can contribute with a professional level of English". I also continue to object to condescending and sarcastic remarks/orders like "If you want to include all the separate spellings of wienerbrød, WP:SOFIXIT instead of griping about it on the talkpage". Let me, as a user with English as my first language, having taught and edited English for over 40 years and had many of my texts published by reputable publishers, clarify that the following sentence is not confusing to any normal reader of English who does not have ulterior motives (such as camaraderie and/or the want my way syndrome) for finding it confusing:
The term för Danish pastry used in Denmark and Norway is wienerbrød. That term, just like other terms used in Sweden and Finland, translates into English as "Viennese bread". The fact that it so translates also includes Finland where it is a matter of dispute whether or not their language (geographically only, if so) can be called Scandinavian. This translation phenomenon does not include "all" universally recognized Scandinavian languages because in Icelandic the pastry is called Danska sætabrauð with no reference to Vienna. I don't know what it's called in Faroese. The sentence I wrote (except for the typo) says the same thing, excluding incorrect info, in much less words and more smoothly and elegantly, in perfectly understandable English. It also does not unnecessarily clutter up the text with even more highlighted foreign words. You people have ganged up on RhinoMind and Kim D. Petersen on this talk page in a way that I find absolutely appalling, and I guess you're now trying to target me. So we'll have days and days of more sarcasm and unfounded biased critique to look forward to, I suppose. Besides all that, I stand by all of my previous comments, and I support Petersen 100% in all of h. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 15:17, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Scandinavia [a] is a historical and cultural-linguistic region in Northern Europe characterized by a common ethno-cultural Germanic heritage and related languages. It comprises the three kingdoms of Norway, Denmark, and Sweden. Modern Norway and Sweden proper [b] are situated on the Scandinavian Peninsula, whereas modern Denmark is situated on the Danish islands and Jutland. The term "Scandinavia" is historically used for Denmark, Norway and Sweden, and is still used that way in Scandinavia and in most uses in English, the name "Scandinavia" is derived from the formerly Danish, now Swedish, region Scania. Regards. Hafspajen ( talk) 15:35, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
An image caption gives priority to the "Spandauer" term (virtually unknown to the English language), by placing it first, rather than having the word Danish first. I can't understand the logic behind that revert being done over and over. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 16:54, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
I can't see how it's relevant or appropriate to clutter up the arcticle's text with an excessive amount of phonetically obstructive foreign words such as the pastry's name in Swedish and Finnish. Repeated reverts on this detail don't seem to me to be be constructive. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 17:01, 17 February 2015 (UTC) As discussed at length in a section above, with no agreement, though the text is reverted time and time again, this image as far as I can see contains nothing but various types of Danish pastry, with the exception of one single croissant (which interestingly enough is made of the same kind of dough). I do not understand why one user feels it's so important to make those reverts all the time, when our readers would be well informed to know that all those different types of baked goods are Danish pastries. I'll try a clearer caption once more. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 17:11, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Not done. Move was opposed and the original nominator ( Boeing720) has withdrawn his nomination. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 02:50, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Danish pastry →
Danish (pastry) – I'm opening up an official move request per
Boeing720's request at ANI, which is as follows:
Tokyogirl79
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In the beginning of the article, the description says: "it is the most common form of wienerbrød ('Vienna Bread') and is known as Kanelsnegl; 'cinnamon snail'". The Swedish cinnamon roll (and caradmom roll, for that matter) has a completely different type of dough than any kind of wienerbröd, which means that the section on swedish cinnamon roll does not belong to the article, unless the description is modified. Kazen 90 ( talk) 19:37, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
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This rather tedious removal keeps being done. Seems apparent that someone does not know the difference between a food item occurring in a country's regular cuisine and the origin of that item. I will reinstate the categories unless anyone can come up with a good reason not to. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 10:35, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
I think this section should be deleted. The controversy was more than 15 years ago, and the article says it was short-lived, so it is not clear to me that this is notable at all, but if it is, it belongs in the article on the cartoons. It is not a major part of the long and rich history of these pastries. I will delete it if there are no objections here on talk. Doric Loon ( talk) 17:57, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
@ Woodlandscaley for the origin of the Danish pastry, we have this information in Oxford companion to food. [1] "The Danish name for Danish pastries is Wienerbrød, ‘Vienna bread’ (the name by which these recipes are known throughout Scandinavia and N. Germany, where they are also popular). The reverse also applies; in Vienna a similar thing is known as ein Kopenhagener. However, as Birgit Siesby (1988) has pointed out, the Danish Wienerbrød, which must be counted as the ‘true’ Danish pastry, is very different from the sticky pastry Kopenhagener sold in Vienna and from British and American"
It's difficult to conclude, and I have personally never been to Denmark so I don't know how it looks there. It seems that there are in fact three close but different products, in the US, in Denmark and in Austria, linked by their names (Danish pastry, wienerbrod, Kopenhagener) 45.70.56.229 ( talk) 14:47, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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