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@ Lobo151: - Regarding his lead sentence nationality, MOS:ETHNICITY/CONTEXTBIO states that "Nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability," this includes mentioning ethnicity unless otherwise stated (as his nationality is linked to the " Italian Australians" ethnic group). WP:BIOLEAD states that the first sentence should establish "context (location, nationality, etc.) for the activities that made the person notable". Although he mentions having an Italian passport [1], Ricciardo is, AFAIK, most notable/prominent as an Australian racing driver and currently competing in Formula One as an Australian. His Formula One Biography simply states that he is "Australian", [2] as does his profile on the "Motor Sports Stats" website, [3] which is part of " Motorsport Network". There are also other sources here which simply describe him as being "Australian" [4] Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 19:03, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
With regard to the above discussion, I propose to correct his nationality to "Australian". GTHO ( talk) 03:27, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
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This is an unnecessary, personal attack. ”Max Verstappen (who is a cocky, angry, and lisp talking dutch)” 45.48.82.75 ( talk) 23:06, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
Please do not alter the "on loan to AlphaTauri" phrase. Daniel Ricciardo is still a Red Bull test driver who has been loaned to AlphaTauri. PLEASE DO NOT VANDALIZE and believe that you are more correct than the Red Bull Team. If you're referring to the case of Carlos Sainz Jr., that article is likewise incorrect. You are not more correct than the official Red Bull Team because you are a Wikipedia editor, not a member of the Red Bull F1 team. SOURCE: “Daniel Ricciardo will be driving for Scuderia AlphaTauri with immediate effect. Joining the Scuderia on loan from Oracle Red Bull Racing, Daniel will line up in Budapest for his first race.” from https://www.redbullracing.com/int-en/daniel-ricciardo-on-loan-to-alpha-tauri-for-2023-season?utm_source=RBR_Twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=DR_SAT_Announcement&utm_content=Press_Release The Man Without Fear 🦇 20:14, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Lobo151, regarding
this edit, which removed Off the track, he is known for his personal popularity, positive disposition, and smile.
My goal with that statement was to reflect the fact that an incredible number of sources focus on those three aspects of him. Failing to include those descriptors gives an incomplete picture of Ricciardo. You removed the sentence with the statement that "we are not a fan site", but the text seems quite neutral to me, just reflecting sources like the following:
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[10]
Cerebral726 (
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14:28, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
The lead section should summarise the life and works of the person with due weight.A significant part of Daniel's life and notability is that he is immensely famous and widely known not only for his on track achievements, but for his distinct personality and smile. It is mentioned far more than any other driver on the grid, as shown by the 5 strong sources I provided as well as countless others ( "Even when struggling, he's still got a sense of humor and a killer smile." "Ricciardo is a world-famous Formula 1 race-car driver with millions of Instagram followers and a zillion-watt smile," and another). There is nothing biased or peacock-y about using independent, reliable sources to establish notable and oft-reported aspects of Ricciardo, and not including them in the lead is not fulfilling WP:DUE. Cerebral726 ( talk) 13:08, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
3O Response: I would agree that such material does not belong in the lead, especially as without context, "is known for" is rather
weaselly, and the material is pretty fluffy in tone. If reliable sources have commented on those things extensively, we can of course discuss that in the body of the article, as suggested, with additional context and without it just seeming like fluff and "talking up". Also, there is the question of whether those things are just mentioned in passing, or whether there's serious examination of them—for example, on what impact they may have had on his career or the like. If people just sometimes say, in essence, "I like his smile", that may or may not bear any mention at all. But definitely not in the lead.
Seraphimblade
Talk to me
19:40, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
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@ Lobo151: - Regarding his lead sentence nationality, MOS:ETHNICITY/CONTEXTBIO states that "Nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability," this includes mentioning ethnicity unless otherwise stated (as his nationality is linked to the " Italian Australians" ethnic group). WP:BIOLEAD states that the first sentence should establish "context (location, nationality, etc.) for the activities that made the person notable". Although he mentions having an Italian passport [1], Ricciardo is, AFAIK, most notable/prominent as an Australian racing driver and currently competing in Formula One as an Australian. His Formula One Biography simply states that he is "Australian", [2] as does his profile on the "Motor Sports Stats" website, [3] which is part of " Motorsport Network". There are also other sources here which simply describe him as being "Australian" [4] Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 19:03, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
With regard to the above discussion, I propose to correct his nationality to "Australian". GTHO ( talk) 03:27, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
References
This is an unnecessary, personal attack. ”Max Verstappen (who is a cocky, angry, and lisp talking dutch)” 45.48.82.75 ( talk) 23:06, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
Please do not alter the "on loan to AlphaTauri" phrase. Daniel Ricciardo is still a Red Bull test driver who has been loaned to AlphaTauri. PLEASE DO NOT VANDALIZE and believe that you are more correct than the Red Bull Team. If you're referring to the case of Carlos Sainz Jr., that article is likewise incorrect. You are not more correct than the official Red Bull Team because you are a Wikipedia editor, not a member of the Red Bull F1 team. SOURCE: “Daniel Ricciardo will be driving for Scuderia AlphaTauri with immediate effect. Joining the Scuderia on loan from Oracle Red Bull Racing, Daniel will line up in Budapest for his first race.” from https://www.redbullracing.com/int-en/daniel-ricciardo-on-loan-to-alpha-tauri-for-2023-season?utm_source=RBR_Twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=DR_SAT_Announcement&utm_content=Press_Release The Man Without Fear 🦇 20:14, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Lobo151, regarding
this edit, which removed Off the track, he is known for his personal popularity, positive disposition, and smile.
My goal with that statement was to reflect the fact that an incredible number of sources focus on those three aspects of him. Failing to include those descriptors gives an incomplete picture of Ricciardo. You removed the sentence with the statement that "we are not a fan site", but the text seems quite neutral to me, just reflecting sources like the following:
[6]
[7]
[8]
[9]
[10]
Cerebral726 (
talk)
14:28, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
The lead section should summarise the life and works of the person with due weight.A significant part of Daniel's life and notability is that he is immensely famous and widely known not only for his on track achievements, but for his distinct personality and smile. It is mentioned far more than any other driver on the grid, as shown by the 5 strong sources I provided as well as countless others ( "Even when struggling, he's still got a sense of humor and a killer smile." "Ricciardo is a world-famous Formula 1 race-car driver with millions of Instagram followers and a zillion-watt smile," and another). There is nothing biased or peacock-y about using independent, reliable sources to establish notable and oft-reported aspects of Ricciardo, and not including them in the lead is not fulfilling WP:DUE. Cerebral726 ( talk) 13:08, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
3O Response: I would agree that such material does not belong in the lead, especially as without context, "is known for" is rather
weaselly, and the material is pretty fluffy in tone. If reliable sources have commented on those things extensively, we can of course discuss that in the body of the article, as suggested, with additional context and without it just seeming like fluff and "talking up". Also, there is the question of whether those things are just mentioned in passing, or whether there's serious examination of them—for example, on what impact they may have had on his career or the like. If people just sometimes say, in essence, "I like his smile", that may or may not bear any mention at all. But definitely not in the lead.
Seraphimblade
Talk to me
19:40, 19 July 2023 (UTC)