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Before I edit the article I offer this for comment. I am the writer of the non fiction book A President in the Family published by Greenwood in 2001. My fraternal grandfather's mother was the cousin of Daniel Hale Williams. D.H. Williams and his biographer, Helen Buckler, corresponded with my grandfather, Howard D. Woodson (1876-1962), who was born in Pittsburgh PA. H. D. Woodson worked in Chicago for a short time then after 1908 worked in Washington DC. A high school there is named in his honor. My great great great grandfather, Thomas Williams bought a Bible and recorded a family tree there. My grandfather likely never saw the Bible but information contained there was passed to him. My grandfather's great grandmother, Catherine, the wife of Thomas Williams, lived until 1898 (age 92) and likey kept family connections alive. As of 1948 the Bible was in the possession of Charles Kelly of Pittsburgh, son of Elizabeth Williams Kelly(grandson of Thomas Williams). --- According to Buckler, the ancestors of D H Williams lived in York County PA. My great great great great grandfather, Samuel Williams lived in Hellam Twsp. York County in 1810 as per the U.S. Census. Robert Hale lived there as well along with other Williams family members in mixed race families. Samuel Wiiliams lived in Harrisburgh PA in 1830 according to the Census. In 1830 a Daniel Williams lived in Lewistown PA. Thomas Williams is placed in Lewistown by a source other than the Census. Daniel Hale Williams was born in Hollidaysburg PA in 1856. The family slowly migrated west. --- The father of D H Williams was Daniel Williams (mother Sarah Price Williams) and according to Buckler his grandfather was Daniel Williams Sr. (mother was likey a daughter of Robert Hale). --- Samuel Williams was the great grandfather of D H Williams. The father of Samuel Williams was Joseph Williams, who was born in 1760 according the information handed to my grandfather. According to the U. S. Census Joseph Williams (a free negro)lived on Cresson's Alley in Philadelphia in 1790. According to the Constitution Center, which was built at the site that once included Cresson's Alley, Joseph Williams was a painter, presumably a house painter, and not an artist. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bww1 ( talk • contribs) .
I've reverted the article to this revision, as the final cut-and-paste action was not caught by the vandalism bot. It seems to be a copyvio as well. I had to clean up this Talk page, too, it appears to be rarely visited! -- Dhartung | Talk 02:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I noticed quite a few instances of vandalism from Naconkantari, who's removing relevant links from several pages, including this one, because they do not conform to his politically correct beliefs. I am in the process of reverting his acts of vandalism. 69.118.97.26 21:58, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
First of all, the Brinkster site is not "anonymous," the site is run by Ian Taggart (itag@adelphia.net). Furthermore, all of the facts on the site are sourced. Just as Wikipedia isn't an original source of information but a repository of reliable sources, so too is Brinkster.
This article should be locked. Someone keeps editing the introduction, saying that Williams "performed the first open-heart surgery" and this is easily found to be untrue. "invention is a complex thing not given to 'did / did not' debates," sure. But this isn't invention we're talking about here; it's "performing" open-heart surgery, and Dr. Hale was not the first.
Dr. Dan's race is a sticky problem. He obviously identified throughout his life as an African-American, but also as a light-skinned black. There has always, and then especially, been a bit of a divide between lighter-skinned African Americans, particularly those who could "pass" or intermarry, and those with darker skin. But I don't think his father can easily be classed as "white". According to one genealogical site he was marked with a "B" on a census form (earlier in his life he was marked with an "M" for mulatto), and I've often seen him described as a "free Negro". His ancestry was a mix of African-American, Scots-Irish, and German-American. Williams's mother was part black and part Indian. Upshot: I think we should still describe him as "African-American". He certainly wasn't 50% white and 50% black in the usual modern sense of the term. -- Dhartung | Talk 06:45, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Who are you to decide what is acceptable in U.S. dialect? At any rate, if you label him African-American you're adhering to socially constructed "racism." He was not, the malapropistic word, "African-American."
I would however accept black/white multiracial. Shakam 05:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
This is why I erased any labeling of "race." Daniel Hale Williams was a surgeon, not a black surgeon, african american surgeon, mulatto surgeon or anything of the like. He was a human surgeon. As that is the only "race" that exists in Homo Sapiens, and that is what should be allowed regardless of heritage.
What about his paternal grandfather and his mother? What was the percentage of their blackness? If you know the answer to that question, you can calculate how black Williams really was. The math is pretty straightforward; his blackness would be equal to (0.25 x (blackness % of paternal grandfarther)) + (0.50 x (blackness % of mother). The 0.25 term of his paternal grandmother is omitted as it is 0 (her blackness % is 0%). If it's more than 50%, Williams was black. Tavernsenses ( talk) 16:40, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
I need some info on Daniel Hale Williams. I have a project i am working on. All i am missing is the field of sience he studied, the history behind him, where he studied, and the struggles he has gone through tp become succesful. If someone could help me out here, i am very grateful!!!
"Williams is regarded as the first man to have performed surgery on the heart" -- this is contradicted by the Wikipedia entry on Cardiac surgery, which points out surgeries on the pericardium by Francisco Romero (1801), Dominique Jean Larrey (prior to his death in 1842), and by Henry Dalton (1891). That makes Hale third. The Cardiac surgery entry also says that the first to actually operate on the heart itself, rather than the pericardium, was Ludwig Rehn in 1894. Lippard ( talk) 15:01, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
I find it amusing how I got so much heat for using huffington post but an anonymous list which has not been updated in many years. The second source mentions he did two surgeries that were notable but this article downplays his role. YVNP ( talk) 08:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
There's a big section of text here that's in the edit box, but doesn't show up in the actual article. Can anybody fix this? LM103 ( talk) 01:48, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Historical (1700's and 1800's)family name records usually don't have suffixes (Senior, Junior, III) attached to them. The following Doctor Daniel Hale Williams Ancestor Chart has suffixes added to clarity or confusion which Williams is which.
Ancestors of Dr. Daniel Hale WILLIAMS III 16 Dec 2015
|---Joseph WILLIAMS (b.1760) |---Daniel WILLIAMS Sr. (b.1783 d.1854) | |--- Marcy WILLIAMS (b.1769) |---- Daniel Hale WILLIAMS Jr (b.1820 d.1867) | |---Sarah WILLIAMS (b.1789)
Dr. Daniel Hale WILLIAMS III (b.1856 d.1931)
| |---Henry PRICE (a.1816 d.1863) |----Sarah A Price WILLIAMS (b.1823 d.1880) |---Ann Wilks PRICE
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Before I edit the article I offer this for comment. I am the writer of the non fiction book A President in the Family published by Greenwood in 2001. My fraternal grandfather's mother was the cousin of Daniel Hale Williams. D.H. Williams and his biographer, Helen Buckler, corresponded with my grandfather, Howard D. Woodson (1876-1962), who was born in Pittsburgh PA. H. D. Woodson worked in Chicago for a short time then after 1908 worked in Washington DC. A high school there is named in his honor. My great great great grandfather, Thomas Williams bought a Bible and recorded a family tree there. My grandfather likely never saw the Bible but information contained there was passed to him. My grandfather's great grandmother, Catherine, the wife of Thomas Williams, lived until 1898 (age 92) and likey kept family connections alive. As of 1948 the Bible was in the possession of Charles Kelly of Pittsburgh, son of Elizabeth Williams Kelly(grandson of Thomas Williams). --- According to Buckler, the ancestors of D H Williams lived in York County PA. My great great great great grandfather, Samuel Williams lived in Hellam Twsp. York County in 1810 as per the U.S. Census. Robert Hale lived there as well along with other Williams family members in mixed race families. Samuel Wiiliams lived in Harrisburgh PA in 1830 according to the Census. In 1830 a Daniel Williams lived in Lewistown PA. Thomas Williams is placed in Lewistown by a source other than the Census. Daniel Hale Williams was born in Hollidaysburg PA in 1856. The family slowly migrated west. --- The father of D H Williams was Daniel Williams (mother Sarah Price Williams) and according to Buckler his grandfather was Daniel Williams Sr. (mother was likey a daughter of Robert Hale). --- Samuel Williams was the great grandfather of D H Williams. The father of Samuel Williams was Joseph Williams, who was born in 1760 according the information handed to my grandfather. According to the U. S. Census Joseph Williams (a free negro)lived on Cresson's Alley in Philadelphia in 1790. According to the Constitution Center, which was built at the site that once included Cresson's Alley, Joseph Williams was a painter, presumably a house painter, and not an artist. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bww1 ( talk • contribs) .
I've reverted the article to this revision, as the final cut-and-paste action was not caught by the vandalism bot. It seems to be a copyvio as well. I had to clean up this Talk page, too, it appears to be rarely visited! -- Dhartung | Talk 02:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I noticed quite a few instances of vandalism from Naconkantari, who's removing relevant links from several pages, including this one, because they do not conform to his politically correct beliefs. I am in the process of reverting his acts of vandalism. 69.118.97.26 21:58, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
First of all, the Brinkster site is not "anonymous," the site is run by Ian Taggart (itag@adelphia.net). Furthermore, all of the facts on the site are sourced. Just as Wikipedia isn't an original source of information but a repository of reliable sources, so too is Brinkster.
This article should be locked. Someone keeps editing the introduction, saying that Williams "performed the first open-heart surgery" and this is easily found to be untrue. "invention is a complex thing not given to 'did / did not' debates," sure. But this isn't invention we're talking about here; it's "performing" open-heart surgery, and Dr. Hale was not the first.
Dr. Dan's race is a sticky problem. He obviously identified throughout his life as an African-American, but also as a light-skinned black. There has always, and then especially, been a bit of a divide between lighter-skinned African Americans, particularly those who could "pass" or intermarry, and those with darker skin. But I don't think his father can easily be classed as "white". According to one genealogical site he was marked with a "B" on a census form (earlier in his life he was marked with an "M" for mulatto), and I've often seen him described as a "free Negro". His ancestry was a mix of African-American, Scots-Irish, and German-American. Williams's mother was part black and part Indian. Upshot: I think we should still describe him as "African-American". He certainly wasn't 50% white and 50% black in the usual modern sense of the term. -- Dhartung | Talk 06:45, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Who are you to decide what is acceptable in U.S. dialect? At any rate, if you label him African-American you're adhering to socially constructed "racism." He was not, the malapropistic word, "African-American."
I would however accept black/white multiracial. Shakam 05:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
This is why I erased any labeling of "race." Daniel Hale Williams was a surgeon, not a black surgeon, african american surgeon, mulatto surgeon or anything of the like. He was a human surgeon. As that is the only "race" that exists in Homo Sapiens, and that is what should be allowed regardless of heritage.
What about his paternal grandfather and his mother? What was the percentage of their blackness? If you know the answer to that question, you can calculate how black Williams really was. The math is pretty straightforward; his blackness would be equal to (0.25 x (blackness % of paternal grandfarther)) + (0.50 x (blackness % of mother). The 0.25 term of his paternal grandmother is omitted as it is 0 (her blackness % is 0%). If it's more than 50%, Williams was black. Tavernsenses ( talk) 16:40, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
I need some info on Daniel Hale Williams. I have a project i am working on. All i am missing is the field of sience he studied, the history behind him, where he studied, and the struggles he has gone through tp become succesful. If someone could help me out here, i am very grateful!!!
"Williams is regarded as the first man to have performed surgery on the heart" -- this is contradicted by the Wikipedia entry on Cardiac surgery, which points out surgeries on the pericardium by Francisco Romero (1801), Dominique Jean Larrey (prior to his death in 1842), and by Henry Dalton (1891). That makes Hale third. The Cardiac surgery entry also says that the first to actually operate on the heart itself, rather than the pericardium, was Ludwig Rehn in 1894. Lippard ( talk) 15:01, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
I find it amusing how I got so much heat for using huffington post but an anonymous list which has not been updated in many years. The second source mentions he did two surgeries that were notable but this article downplays his role. YVNP ( talk) 08:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
There's a big section of text here that's in the edit box, but doesn't show up in the actual article. Can anybody fix this? LM103 ( talk) 01:48, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Historical (1700's and 1800's)family name records usually don't have suffixes (Senior, Junior, III) attached to them. The following Doctor Daniel Hale Williams Ancestor Chart has suffixes added to clarity or confusion which Williams is which.
Ancestors of Dr. Daniel Hale WILLIAMS III 16 Dec 2015
|---Joseph WILLIAMS (b.1760) |---Daniel WILLIAMS Sr. (b.1783 d.1854) | |--- Marcy WILLIAMS (b.1769) |---- Daniel Hale WILLIAMS Jr (b.1820 d.1867) | |---Sarah WILLIAMS (b.1789)
Dr. Daniel Hale WILLIAMS III (b.1856 d.1931)
| |---Henry PRICE (a.1816 d.1863) |----Sarah A Price WILLIAMS (b.1823 d.1880) |---Ann Wilks PRICE
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