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I just removed a paragraph talking about people being motivated by religion to keep a diet. First, most of the paragraph was a copy of the information that's already in Daniel Fast and my first thought was to remove most of it per WP:UNDUE and leave a brief mention of different religious diets and fasts. However, there is no source that says that the Daniel fast is kept by people who feel motivated to do so because it is described in the Bible; secondly, there are no sources that indicate that Sawm which was the other diet mentioned is kept for health reasons, or indeed that there is a positive health effect of it. So I simply do not think that these two different food restrictions belong in this particular article. -- bonadea contributions talk 06:29, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. I hope the Ellen G. White book, and those two research reports (the two Bloomer et al) provides the secondary source interpretation. 32cllou ( talk) 19:14, 3 May 2014 (UTC) 32cllou ( talk) 21:54, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
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What fixes are needed in Daniel Fast? I'll remove the Bloomer et al sentence speaking of fiber ect. That's a vague medical claim being made by other than the analysis of Biblical passages. Other than that, there's no "medical" information for a review. I'll buy two recently published books on the Daniel Fast. From a synopsis, they discuss health benefits. Note that the existing book reference (White) alone supports much of the current text in the article. 32cllou ( talk) 15:05, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
What fixes are needed in Daniel Fast? I'll remove the Bloomer et al sentence speaking of fiber ect. That's a vague medical claim being made by other than the analysis of Biblical passages. Other than that, there's no medical information for a review. I'll buy two recently published books on the Daniel Fast. Note that the existing book reference (White) alone supports much of the current text in the article. 32cllou ( talk) 15:02, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
PS I'm going to leave out any health claims not supported by the Biblical interpretation references. 32cllou ( talk) 15:08, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for helping me clean it up.
Isn't it OK if there's your tag saying potentially unreliable? It is well written and referenced, published, local (University practicing the Fast periodically), and adds wonderful religious dimensions to the fast. It does a better job than White speaking of the Spirit, mind, and body aspects of the fast. I also think it's good to give credit to the author for their contribution to the Daniel Fast article. I'll remove it if you insist. 32cllou ( talk) 16:21, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
I'd love to read the "mentions in the literature" you found!! 32cllou ( talk) 16:23, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
The real biblical daniel fast has nothing to do with this three week fad diet. I know because I just finished the full three year Daniel Fast as listed in Daniel Chapter One. Anyone that understands a kosher kitchen already knows Jews separate food into three categories: Death, Pareve and Life. Jews do not eat an item from DEATH in the same meal as LIFE. The only thing Daniel requested was no meat to eat which is DEATH or otherwise anything slaughtered. Years later when Daniel did a shorter version but also omitting fine bread and not anointing himself he still ate dairy which is LIFE and fish/eggs which is PAREVE. It will be nice once even people who are of a church actually start doing what is in the bible. Comments from Cindy L. Schmegelsky, author of Be A Ram No Mercy FINAL EDITION. 207.112.55.149 ( talk) 16:43, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
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The first and third discussions are added from user page talk because they related to this topic:
I just removed a paragraph talking about people being motivated by religion to keep a diet. First, most of the paragraph was a copy of the information that's already in Daniel Fast and my first thought was to remove most of it per WP:UNDUE and leave a brief mention of different religious diets and fasts. However, there is no source that says that the Daniel fast is kept by people who feel motivated to do so because it is described in the Bible; secondly, there are no sources that indicate that Sawm which was the other diet mentioned is kept for health reasons, or indeed that there is a positive health effect of it. So I simply do not think that these two different food restrictions belong in this particular article. -- bonadea contributions talk 06:29, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. I hope the Ellen G. White book, and those two research reports (the two Bloomer et al) provides the secondary source interpretation. 32cllou ( talk) 19:14, 3 May 2014 (UTC) 32cllou ( talk) 21:54, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
References
What fixes are needed in Daniel Fast? I'll remove the Bloomer et al sentence speaking of fiber ect. That's a vague medical claim being made by other than the analysis of Biblical passages. Other than that, there's no "medical" information for a review. I'll buy two recently published books on the Daniel Fast. From a synopsis, they discuss health benefits. Note that the existing book reference (White) alone supports much of the current text in the article. 32cllou ( talk) 15:05, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
What fixes are needed in Daniel Fast? I'll remove the Bloomer et al sentence speaking of fiber ect. That's a vague medical claim being made by other than the analysis of Biblical passages. Other than that, there's no medical information for a review. I'll buy two recently published books on the Daniel Fast. Note that the existing book reference (White) alone supports much of the current text in the article. 32cllou ( talk) 15:02, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
PS I'm going to leave out any health claims not supported by the Biblical interpretation references. 32cllou ( talk) 15:08, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for helping me clean it up.
Isn't it OK if there's your tag saying potentially unreliable? It is well written and referenced, published, local (University practicing the Fast periodically), and adds wonderful religious dimensions to the fast. It does a better job than White speaking of the Spirit, mind, and body aspects of the fast. I also think it's good to give credit to the author for their contribution to the Daniel Fast article. I'll remove it if you insist. 32cllou ( talk) 16:21, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
I'd love to read the "mentions in the literature" you found!! 32cllou ( talk) 16:23, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
The real biblical daniel fast has nothing to do with this three week fad diet. I know because I just finished the full three year Daniel Fast as listed in Daniel Chapter One. Anyone that understands a kosher kitchen already knows Jews separate food into three categories: Death, Pareve and Life. Jews do not eat an item from DEATH in the same meal as LIFE. The only thing Daniel requested was no meat to eat which is DEATH or otherwise anything slaughtered. Years later when Daniel did a shorter version but also omitting fine bread and not anointing himself he still ate dairy which is LIFE and fish/eggs which is PAREVE. It will be nice once even people who are of a church actually start doing what is in the bible. Comments from Cindy L. Schmegelsky, author of Be A Ram No Mercy FINAL EDITION. 207.112.55.149 ( talk) 16:43, 26 November 2022 (UTC)