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Danes are citizens of Denmark and some voluntary possibility of "being Danish" without being a citizen, article was adjusted for this.-- Johanneswilm ( talk) 07:24, 14 February 2011 (UTC) The categories used for the statistics cited for Denmark are explained [ here]. "Immigrant Ancestry" according to this are those born in another country. "Descendants" are those born to two foreign citizens within Denmark. According to this, a person has Danish ancestry, if at least one parent is a Danish citizen and is born in Denmark. These figures are completely incompatible to those given by the US, Canadian, Australian and Norwegian census, see explanation given at Talk:Norwegians, Talk:Germans and Talk:Austrians. The links to statistics from New Zealand and Germany are dead, the link to Argentinia has no figures, the figures from UK, Ireland and Iceland refer to people born in Denmark and therefore also incomparable, the figure for Greenland seems to be a rough estimate by the Wikipedia user writing this article, the French figure comes from someones private webblog without authoritative reference, the Swiss number comes from a secondary source and lists Danish citizens, the Dubai/Emirates doesn't contain any concrete figure, the Chinese figure seems to be someone's personal estimate, the figures from Luxembourg, Faeroeye Islands, Greece and Portugal are user submitted numbers on a website that claims not to be sure of the data's validity, the Mexico figure is unreferenced, the interview with the Danish ambassador in Lebanon indicates that they only have partial overview of Danes living in Lebanon, the same is true for the Chilean figure which is presented on a webforum for children.-- Johanneswilm ( talk) 07:24, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
The only figures that correctly reflect the numebr correctly and are comparable is that given for Austria -- Danish citizens living in Austria by an authorative source. Given that it is the only valid figure listed, I will remove all the figures and instead replace the number with the population of Denmark. If someone in the future is doing the necessary research to find all the right numbers of Danish citizens living abroad, please use the Austrian statistics from statistik.at.-- Johanneswilm ( talk) 07:24, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
I am removing Alphasinus unsourced changes introducing the notion that Danes are a "Germanic ethnic group". This classification is is unsourced and arbitrary, Germanic is a linguistic category not an ethnic one and we could equally well write "indo-European ethnic group", but that also contributes no relevant information. Danes are an ethno-national group that speak a germanic language. ·Maunus·ƛ· 02:56, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
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I'd think that categories such as Danish cuisine, culture, arts, etc. would fit better into the Denmark article. Is it really relevant to the article that this many Denmark-related categories be added? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandertams ( talk • contribs) 18:03, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Ive removed the field "related ethnic groups" because it is basically an arbitrary choice which groups are considered to be related and which aren't. Different groups are related in different ways, and there are no agreed upon criteria for excluding some groups and including others. Related groups could be Germanic speaking ethnic groups, Indo-European speaking ethnic groups, Greenlanders, populations of Nordic countries, populations of former Danish colonies, ethnic with significant immigrant presence in Denmark etc. It is arbitrary to choose certain groups over others, since the relation can not be based on any exclusive it is impossible to find adequate sources. Better to leave out the field all together - anyone reading the article will realize that Danes are related to their neighboring countries and to other groups speaking Germanic languages anyway. ·ʍaunus· snunɐw· 21:23, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move per request.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 02:21, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Danish people → Danes – I don't know where this article was originally located, but following the example of Norwegians, Swedes, Finns and Germans this article should really be named Danes. It was clearly moved from Danes - but the result is that clicking "discussion/talk" now points to Talk:Danes/Archive 1, which means the article is now unassessed. I think we need both the talk page and the article located at "Danes" and "Talk:Danes" or "Danish people" and "Talk:Danish people". -- Peter Talk page 12:32, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
First para reads "They also have the ability to speak Danish." I have the ability to speak Danish, too, but that doesn't make me a Dane. Sadly, I am unable to edit (is it locked?) 155.213.224.59 ( talk) 17:38, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
This article does not have a clear idea about what the definition of Danes are; three different, slightly related, ideas are mixed in the article -- biological inheritance (i.e. people descending from the Dani), cultural inheritance or adoption and, finally, citizenship. There has been more than one "debate" on the topic before. Personally I think all three should be presented separately -- it is possible to trace, through genetics, if you are a "true" Dane (i.e. descendant of the Dani), there is a distinct culture and there is a clear definition of having Danish citizenship; all three forms of "Dane" is being used and at least two are used, consciously, very often by a lot of people.
I propose the article starts with a clear definition and explanation of the three different ways of types of "Dane" -- and yes, I do consider myself to part of a Germanic people, as a Dane, and no, I am not a Nazi; the fact that I even feel that I have to point that out should make someone feel ashamed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.130.79.38 ( talk) 22:10, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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Theres 526 danes in Finland, more than in Japan and Lebanon, so i wan't to add it but you can't edit this page (sorry im new to here) Finlandestonia ( talk) 11:56, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
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In the section "Danish nation in a political context" I suggest removing "formerly Norwegian" from the below paragraph. If all articles should include reference to the history in this manner, we have a lot of editing to do, and I really do not see the need for that here.
Also the double use of "as well as members" in the sentence should be avoided. "Excluded from this definition are people from the formerly Norwegian Faroe Islands and Greenland as well as members of the German minority as well as members of other ethnic minorities."
I suggest therefore to change the paragraph to: "Excluded from this definition are people from the Faroe Islands and Greenland as well as members of the German minority and other ethnic minorities." Janmark~nowiki ( talk) 15:59, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
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https://www.britannica.com/place/Denmark/People Denmark is almost entirely inhabited by ethnic Danes.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/ethnic-groups-living-in-denmark.html 9 out of 10 residents of Denmark identify as ethnic Danes... Sashko1999 ( talk) 16:50, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
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Change kroborg to Kronborg, under the picture of Holger Danske 188.181.82.169 ( talk) 06:15, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
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Germanic peoples, The Germanic peoples were historical groups of people that once occupied Central Europe and Scandinavia during antiquity and into the early Middle Ages.
The six sources to support the claim are either referring to language / literature or to the historical origin of the Danes. While nobody objects to calling Danish a North Germanic language or to claiming that North Germanic groups are at the origin of the modern Danish nation, the claim that 21st century Danes are a "North Germanic ethnic group" doesn't make any sense to me. A
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Danes are citizens of Denmark and some voluntary possibility of "being Danish" without being a citizen, article was adjusted for this.-- Johanneswilm ( talk) 07:24, 14 February 2011 (UTC) The categories used for the statistics cited for Denmark are explained [ here]. "Immigrant Ancestry" according to this are those born in another country. "Descendants" are those born to two foreign citizens within Denmark. According to this, a person has Danish ancestry, if at least one parent is a Danish citizen and is born in Denmark. These figures are completely incompatible to those given by the US, Canadian, Australian and Norwegian census, see explanation given at Talk:Norwegians, Talk:Germans and Talk:Austrians. The links to statistics from New Zealand and Germany are dead, the link to Argentinia has no figures, the figures from UK, Ireland and Iceland refer to people born in Denmark and therefore also incomparable, the figure for Greenland seems to be a rough estimate by the Wikipedia user writing this article, the French figure comes from someones private webblog without authoritative reference, the Swiss number comes from a secondary source and lists Danish citizens, the Dubai/Emirates doesn't contain any concrete figure, the Chinese figure seems to be someone's personal estimate, the figures from Luxembourg, Faeroeye Islands, Greece and Portugal are user submitted numbers on a website that claims not to be sure of the data's validity, the Mexico figure is unreferenced, the interview with the Danish ambassador in Lebanon indicates that they only have partial overview of Danes living in Lebanon, the same is true for the Chilean figure which is presented on a webforum for children.-- Johanneswilm ( talk) 07:24, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
The only figures that correctly reflect the numebr correctly and are comparable is that given for Austria -- Danish citizens living in Austria by an authorative source. Given that it is the only valid figure listed, I will remove all the figures and instead replace the number with the population of Denmark. If someone in the future is doing the necessary research to find all the right numbers of Danish citizens living abroad, please use the Austrian statistics from statistik.at.-- Johanneswilm ( talk) 07:24, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
I am removing Alphasinus unsourced changes introducing the notion that Danes are a "Germanic ethnic group". This classification is is unsourced and arbitrary, Germanic is a linguistic category not an ethnic one and we could equally well write "indo-European ethnic group", but that also contributes no relevant information. Danes are an ethno-national group that speak a germanic language. ·Maunus·ƛ· 02:56, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
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I'd think that categories such as Danish cuisine, culture, arts, etc. would fit better into the Denmark article. Is it really relevant to the article that this many Denmark-related categories be added? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandertams ( talk • contribs) 18:03, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Ive removed the field "related ethnic groups" because it is basically an arbitrary choice which groups are considered to be related and which aren't. Different groups are related in different ways, and there are no agreed upon criteria for excluding some groups and including others. Related groups could be Germanic speaking ethnic groups, Indo-European speaking ethnic groups, Greenlanders, populations of Nordic countries, populations of former Danish colonies, ethnic with significant immigrant presence in Denmark etc. It is arbitrary to choose certain groups over others, since the relation can not be based on any exclusive it is impossible to find adequate sources. Better to leave out the field all together - anyone reading the article will realize that Danes are related to their neighboring countries and to other groups speaking Germanic languages anyway. ·ʍaunus· snunɐw· 21:23, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move per request.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 02:21, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Danish people → Danes – I don't know where this article was originally located, but following the example of Norwegians, Swedes, Finns and Germans this article should really be named Danes. It was clearly moved from Danes - but the result is that clicking "discussion/talk" now points to Talk:Danes/Archive 1, which means the article is now unassessed. I think we need both the talk page and the article located at "Danes" and "Talk:Danes" or "Danish people" and "Talk:Danish people". -- Peter Talk page 12:32, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
First para reads "They also have the ability to speak Danish." I have the ability to speak Danish, too, but that doesn't make me a Dane. Sadly, I am unable to edit (is it locked?) 155.213.224.59 ( talk) 17:38, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
This article does not have a clear idea about what the definition of Danes are; three different, slightly related, ideas are mixed in the article -- biological inheritance (i.e. people descending from the Dani), cultural inheritance or adoption and, finally, citizenship. There has been more than one "debate" on the topic before. Personally I think all three should be presented separately -- it is possible to trace, through genetics, if you are a "true" Dane (i.e. descendant of the Dani), there is a distinct culture and there is a clear definition of having Danish citizenship; all three forms of "Dane" is being used and at least two are used, consciously, very often by a lot of people.
I propose the article starts with a clear definition and explanation of the three different ways of types of "Dane" -- and yes, I do consider myself to part of a Germanic people, as a Dane, and no, I am not a Nazi; the fact that I even feel that I have to point that out should make someone feel ashamed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.130.79.38 ( talk) 22:10, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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Theres 526 danes in Finland, more than in Japan and Lebanon, so i wan't to add it but you can't edit this page (sorry im new to here) Finlandestonia ( talk) 11:56, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
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In the section "Danish nation in a political context" I suggest removing "formerly Norwegian" from the below paragraph. If all articles should include reference to the history in this manner, we have a lot of editing to do, and I really do not see the need for that here.
Also the double use of "as well as members" in the sentence should be avoided. "Excluded from this definition are people from the formerly Norwegian Faroe Islands and Greenland as well as members of the German minority as well as members of other ethnic minorities."
I suggest therefore to change the paragraph to: "Excluded from this definition are people from the Faroe Islands and Greenland as well as members of the German minority and other ethnic minorities." Janmark~nowiki ( talk) 15:59, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
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https://www.britannica.com/place/Denmark/People Denmark is almost entirely inhabited by ethnic Danes.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/ethnic-groups-living-in-denmark.html 9 out of 10 residents of Denmark identify as ethnic Danes... Sashko1999 ( talk) 16:50, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
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Change kroborg to Kronborg, under the picture of Holger Danske 188.181.82.169 ( talk) 06:15, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
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The six sources to support the claim are either referring to language / literature or to the historical origin of the Danes. While nobody objects to calling Danish a North Germanic language or to claiming that North Germanic groups are at the origin of the modern Danish nation, the claim that 21st century Danes are a "North Germanic ethnic group" doesn't make any sense to me. A
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Danes generally regard themselves as a nationality and reserve the word "ethnic" for the description of recent immigrants, sometimes referred to as "new Danes". The contemporary Danish national identity is based on the idea of "Danishness", which is founded on principles formed through historical cultural connections and is typically not based on racial heritage.