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What miracles did he perform? The only mention of miracles is briefly glossed over here: He spent much time among the people, ministering to their spiritual needs, carrying out missionary journeys, preaching and performing miracles. Wouldn't the miracles be a major part of his notability? If so, they should probably be elaborated on. - kotra 07:26, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
You ask about Cuthberts Miracles. You may find comparison with St Francis a help, but Cuthbert was not as impressive as Francis. His miracles are largely based on telling widows that no one Else in their family would die of Plague etc. None did it seems. There are also the ch eerie stories involving Cuthbert talking to Birds (who it is claimed understood him). Cuthbert would 'tell off' the Crows for looting his vegetable patch and the Crows would act contrite and not do their 'Veg robbin' anymore etc. How seriously should we take these stories? well that is up to you. During WW2 there was said to be prayers offered to Cuthbert to protect the City from Air-raids, (no source for these stories). Johnwrd ( talk) 02:57, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
c. 634–20 March 687; the date seems to be part of hagiography (so is much of the rest, anyway) as it is the end of winter, which is followed by Easter and resurrection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.82.177.147 ( talk) 18:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps an section on Bedes Life of Cuthbert would have been of help. It is the only lengthy information we have about the Mystic. The story also has an uncanny ring of truth to the tale as it chronicles his slow progression into isolated (insanity?). Towards the end of Bedes mini Biography of Cuthbert you find yourself asking if Cuthbert really was tormented by Demons (like the blind Man who was tormented by Harpies in Jason and the Argonaughts, or was simply wrestling with chronic depression. Johnwrd ( talk) 03:06, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Where is the evidence for Dunbar? He was born near Lauder. As for being from a noble family, as a child he played with other children and as a youth he acted as a shepherd - so clearly NOT noble. He was well-to-do enough to have a horse to take him to Old Melrose and perhaps a servant, but that is far from "noble". Some serious work needs doing here. https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/basis/bede-cuthbert.asp Freuchie ( talk) 17:59, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
What does "Cuthbert" mean? - Gilgamesh ( talk) 09:56, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
In the introduction to "Two Lives of Cuthbert", the scholar and translator Bertram Colgrave, quoting Reginald of Durham, describes the three most popular Early Saints of that period as Cuthbert of Durham, Edmund of Bury and Aethilthryth of Ely. The Cult of Cuthbert was centred on Durham, even if he lived in Lindisfarne and some of the Farne Islands. Wikipedia should stick to what the experts on Cuthbert write, not unsourced local folklore. There are plenty of sources (cf for example St Cuthbert's Well, etc). Mathsci ( talk) 14:17, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Now where is the consensus on this talkpage that describes Cuthbert as a Saxon? Cuthbert was born and spent his life in Bernicia, an Anglian kingdom. Saxons colonised Sussex, Wessex, Essex; Jutes, Kent and the Isle of Wight. Mercia, East Anglia and Northumbria (Bernicia, Deira, and at times Cumbria) were Anglian. Simple. "Anglo-Saxon" as a term is a Victorian coverall invention, partly due to Wessex's domination of the later Heptarchy, so therefore an anachronism in this case. Brendandh ( talk) 10:43, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
So you're for the newbies are you? Ohyes modern is always good and the best? IMO the chaps with the sideburns and collars were just as good if not better than than the tieless chaps with bumfluff. Anyhow, it does not get away from the fact that Cuthbert was no Saxon. Brendandh ( talk) 22:34, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
As discussed above, a large number of sources describe Cuthbert as an Anglo-Saxon saint. The Oxford Dictionary of Saints (p 108), describes him as "Monk and bishop of Lindisfarne ... Northern England's most popular saint ... Born of a fairly well-to-do Anglo-Saxon family, he became a monk at Melrose in 651. With abbot Eata he moved to Ripon to start a monastery." So as before Anglo-Saxon seems to be common usage. I think using Northumbrian in the lede is misleading. But what exactly is the problem with "Anglo-Saxon" and why do we have to repeat this discussion every few weeks? Mathsci ( talk) 08:00, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
30 years, is that a cut-off point? So, nothing of academic merit happened prior? Anyway here's a more recent doctoral thesis [5] page 13 for starters. So ridiculous. You don't call a Schweizerdeutsch, German; or a Fleming, Dutch do you? Brendandh ( talk) 11:16, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Oh, is that right? Anglian kingdoms that were forged in the 6th c.? Now let us think? Bernicia and Deira of course, oh and Mercia and East Anglia (except the last two weren't in Northumbria (and certainly not in the present little county of Northumberland, which doesn't even reach the Humber these days, poor souls!). 'Saxon' and it variants, Sais, Sassunach etc. Yup, that's the word for the English (the Germanic invaders of the British Isles) in all Celtic languages, because the Saxon chaps were the earliest to settle in Sub-Roman Britain. (Much in the same way the Arabs used a variant of 'Frank' for the Crusaders, the Frankish contingent being amongst the largest grouping to try and wrest the Holy Land from them, ("Ferenghi", "farang" etc that is still in use parts of the Middle and Far East for any westerner), or the proto-Germans who used varieties of Wealhas, Welsh, Vlach etc. to refer to any foreigner. from Volcae tribe.) What you appear to fail to grasp, is that the English were not a country before 927, the tribes prior to that of pretty much anywhere north of the Thames were a distinct grouping of people from the region of Angeln, that while of similar Germanic roots, were not the same peoples as the Saxons or Jutes or Frisians. That'll be why there was such a thing as the latterly named Heptarchy. 'Anglo-Saxon' as a term to describe the essentially Anglian Cuthbert, the apostle of Northumbria, is like referring to Margaret Thatcher as a 'Western Leader' rather than 'British', or Gamal Nasser just simply as an 'Arab', rather than an 'Egyptian', Vladimir Putin, as 'Eurasian' rather than 'Russian', oh and Napoleon as 'citizen of the world', rather than 'French' which he was not, or even a 'Corsican', which he was. Brendandh ( talk) 18:39, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Chiming in here to help avert an edit war as (I hope) a fairly objective outsider, and someone who has been involved in several pedantic wording debates (usually on the side of pedantry)... but basically Wikipedia always must err on the side of the sources. So if the consensus of the sources is to use A-S, then A-S is what we use, regardless of whether it is right or wrong. Personally, I'm inclined to agree with friend Brendandh's assessment of correctness, but as Wikipedians our hands are tied. Cuthbert is Anglo-Saxon until the weight of academia says otherwise. Metao ( talk) 08:13, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
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Why is Saint Cuthbert not referred to as Saint in the title of this Wikipedia page and in the lede ? He is most commonly known and recognisable as St Cuthbert. I changed it but see it has been reverted and with the one word 'no' in the edit box. Jamie Stuart ( talk) 18:19, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
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What miracles did he perform? The only mention of miracles is briefly glossed over here: He spent much time among the people, ministering to their spiritual needs, carrying out missionary journeys, preaching and performing miracles. Wouldn't the miracles be a major part of his notability? If so, they should probably be elaborated on. - kotra 07:26, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
You ask about Cuthberts Miracles. You may find comparison with St Francis a help, but Cuthbert was not as impressive as Francis. His miracles are largely based on telling widows that no one Else in their family would die of Plague etc. None did it seems. There are also the ch eerie stories involving Cuthbert talking to Birds (who it is claimed understood him). Cuthbert would 'tell off' the Crows for looting his vegetable patch and the Crows would act contrite and not do their 'Veg robbin' anymore etc. How seriously should we take these stories? well that is up to you. During WW2 there was said to be prayers offered to Cuthbert to protect the City from Air-raids, (no source for these stories). Johnwrd ( talk) 02:57, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
c. 634–20 March 687; the date seems to be part of hagiography (so is much of the rest, anyway) as it is the end of winter, which is followed by Easter and resurrection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.82.177.147 ( talk) 18:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps an section on Bedes Life of Cuthbert would have been of help. It is the only lengthy information we have about the Mystic. The story also has an uncanny ring of truth to the tale as it chronicles his slow progression into isolated (insanity?). Towards the end of Bedes mini Biography of Cuthbert you find yourself asking if Cuthbert really was tormented by Demons (like the blind Man who was tormented by Harpies in Jason and the Argonaughts, or was simply wrestling with chronic depression. Johnwrd ( talk) 03:06, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Where is the evidence for Dunbar? He was born near Lauder. As for being from a noble family, as a child he played with other children and as a youth he acted as a shepherd - so clearly NOT noble. He was well-to-do enough to have a horse to take him to Old Melrose and perhaps a servant, but that is far from "noble". Some serious work needs doing here. https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/basis/bede-cuthbert.asp Freuchie ( talk) 17:59, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
What does "Cuthbert" mean? - Gilgamesh ( talk) 09:56, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
In the introduction to "Two Lives of Cuthbert", the scholar and translator Bertram Colgrave, quoting Reginald of Durham, describes the three most popular Early Saints of that period as Cuthbert of Durham, Edmund of Bury and Aethilthryth of Ely. The Cult of Cuthbert was centred on Durham, even if he lived in Lindisfarne and some of the Farne Islands. Wikipedia should stick to what the experts on Cuthbert write, not unsourced local folklore. There are plenty of sources (cf for example St Cuthbert's Well, etc). Mathsci ( talk) 14:17, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Now where is the consensus on this talkpage that describes Cuthbert as a Saxon? Cuthbert was born and spent his life in Bernicia, an Anglian kingdom. Saxons colonised Sussex, Wessex, Essex; Jutes, Kent and the Isle of Wight. Mercia, East Anglia and Northumbria (Bernicia, Deira, and at times Cumbria) were Anglian. Simple. "Anglo-Saxon" as a term is a Victorian coverall invention, partly due to Wessex's domination of the later Heptarchy, so therefore an anachronism in this case. Brendandh ( talk) 10:43, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
So you're for the newbies are you? Ohyes modern is always good and the best? IMO the chaps with the sideburns and collars were just as good if not better than than the tieless chaps with bumfluff. Anyhow, it does not get away from the fact that Cuthbert was no Saxon. Brendandh ( talk) 22:34, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
As discussed above, a large number of sources describe Cuthbert as an Anglo-Saxon saint. The Oxford Dictionary of Saints (p 108), describes him as "Monk and bishop of Lindisfarne ... Northern England's most popular saint ... Born of a fairly well-to-do Anglo-Saxon family, he became a monk at Melrose in 651. With abbot Eata he moved to Ripon to start a monastery." So as before Anglo-Saxon seems to be common usage. I think using Northumbrian in the lede is misleading. But what exactly is the problem with "Anglo-Saxon" and why do we have to repeat this discussion every few weeks? Mathsci ( talk) 08:00, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
30 years, is that a cut-off point? So, nothing of academic merit happened prior? Anyway here's a more recent doctoral thesis [5] page 13 for starters. So ridiculous. You don't call a Schweizerdeutsch, German; or a Fleming, Dutch do you? Brendandh ( talk) 11:16, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Oh, is that right? Anglian kingdoms that were forged in the 6th c.? Now let us think? Bernicia and Deira of course, oh and Mercia and East Anglia (except the last two weren't in Northumbria (and certainly not in the present little county of Northumberland, which doesn't even reach the Humber these days, poor souls!). 'Saxon' and it variants, Sais, Sassunach etc. Yup, that's the word for the English (the Germanic invaders of the British Isles) in all Celtic languages, because the Saxon chaps were the earliest to settle in Sub-Roman Britain. (Much in the same way the Arabs used a variant of 'Frank' for the Crusaders, the Frankish contingent being amongst the largest grouping to try and wrest the Holy Land from them, ("Ferenghi", "farang" etc that is still in use parts of the Middle and Far East for any westerner), or the proto-Germans who used varieties of Wealhas, Welsh, Vlach etc. to refer to any foreigner. from Volcae tribe.) What you appear to fail to grasp, is that the English were not a country before 927, the tribes prior to that of pretty much anywhere north of the Thames were a distinct grouping of people from the region of Angeln, that while of similar Germanic roots, were not the same peoples as the Saxons or Jutes or Frisians. That'll be why there was such a thing as the latterly named Heptarchy. 'Anglo-Saxon' as a term to describe the essentially Anglian Cuthbert, the apostle of Northumbria, is like referring to Margaret Thatcher as a 'Western Leader' rather than 'British', or Gamal Nasser just simply as an 'Arab', rather than an 'Egyptian', Vladimir Putin, as 'Eurasian' rather than 'Russian', oh and Napoleon as 'citizen of the world', rather than 'French' which he was not, or even a 'Corsican', which he was. Brendandh ( talk) 18:39, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Chiming in here to help avert an edit war as (I hope) a fairly objective outsider, and someone who has been involved in several pedantic wording debates (usually on the side of pedantry)... but basically Wikipedia always must err on the side of the sources. So if the consensus of the sources is to use A-S, then A-S is what we use, regardless of whether it is right or wrong. Personally, I'm inclined to agree with friend Brendandh's assessment of correctness, but as Wikipedians our hands are tied. Cuthbert is Anglo-Saxon until the weight of academia says otherwise. Metao ( talk) 08:13, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
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Why is Saint Cuthbert not referred to as Saint in the title of this Wikipedia page and in the lede ? He is most commonly known and recognisable as St Cuthbert. I changed it but see it has been reverted and with the one word 'no' in the edit box. Jamie Stuart ( talk) 18:19, 21 February 2020 (UTC)