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This page needs to be edited to take out whole-country stereotypes. Some of the statements seem quite biased and not culturally-aware. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.241.238.125 ( talk) 20:55, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
This page definitely needs to be edited. It's mostly based on travelling-guide-type of stereotypes, and doesn't really tell anything about the CULTURE. The links only are not informative enough. — Preceding
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19:01, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Finnish people aren't made of stone. The stereotypes are all wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.87.124.88 ( talk) 22:23, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
As a person livining in Finland for 16 years I can say that the claims in the article are totally true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.181.163.95 ( talk) 01:02, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
-As a finn i would say exactly those things about ourselves I was the author of this article. Howewer, I concur that the standard is not up to Oxford-level: It seems a bit juvenile and edgy, but nonetheless quite true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.221.63.216 ( talk) 22:17, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
-This was terrible. Especially after reading through the page about Japanese Popular Culture (which was an excellent page with loads of information, links, references...), I feel completely embarrassed that this is the image that perhaps thousands of foreigners get of Finland. It's full of stereotypes as has been pointed out, and it hardly provides any information about the culture, only some generalizations about Finns. I sure hope someone re-writes this, I am appalled, and hope the whole article was a joke to begin with. — Preceding
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21:00, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
It is a generalizing article but definitely accurate. As a Finn I totally agree with its contents. Maybe there could be more links to some scientific articles for the more specific readers? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.250.247.12 ( talk) 04:14, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
This is by far the worst article I have seen for quite a while. It seems as if it was written by someone who has no idea what the word culture means; there is no information whatsoever on Finnish culture, just ridiculous cliches about Finnish melancholy, "sisu", alcohol use, etc. I think the best thing one could do is to delete and rewrite from scratch.-- AAikio 06:30, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- I have lived in Finland for over a year and I think that what has been written is largely true, but of course these generalizations don't apply to everyone. This article is pretty superficial - it could go a lot deeper. For instance, it could discuss cultural aspects like modern design; Alvar Aalto; Sibelius; sauna culture; summer cottage traditions; holiday traditions; the impact on the culture of long days in the summer/short days in the winter; government spending to support and promote Finnish artists; impact of the welfare state on society/individuals; health care system, successful rapid development of Finland from agrarian based economy to industrial/high tech economy. Regarding people, the article could talk more about why Finns are reserved among strangers; xeonophobia and low immigration; how to approach social or business dealings with Finns as a foreigner; how Finns have the capacity to be very warm after you get to know them and show genuine interest (rather than superficial interest or socialization); reserved pride in Finnish culture; relationship with Russia and Russians; among other things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisamarie71 ( talk • contribs) 15:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
I gave the page a full rewrite, because I think we can all agree that the previous version essentially sucked. Now it's more or less in line with the way Culture of Sweden is. This one probably still could use some expansion, but at least now it's something that could conceivably be expanded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.27.8.238 ( talk) 13:50, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
The first paragraph seems to be nearly identical to the first paragraph of
Culture of Estonia. —Preceding
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91.153.144.240 (
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15:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
In travel guides and even in this article, there's the idea that Finnish culture is somehow a mixture of Swedish and Russian cultures. Obviously all are originally North European and as such, similar to each other, but this doesn't mean it's a mixture. It is not disputed that Finnish culture is indigenous and strongly affected by Swedish culture, but list the Russian influences and elaborate on them why they're Russian, not of Finnish origin. I want to see reliable sources (not travel guides or something else produced by Stetson's method, i.e. by pulling out of hat). (Also, please leave the "national identity" issue out. Nationalism as we know it wasn't even invented before the 1800's, so referring to the allegiances of the Finnish people toward pre-nationalist imperial monarchs is pointless. Finnish culture existed before and during the Swedish rule, starting from the fact that Finnish language was retained.) -- Vuo 13:46, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I made major changes to this section to include historical facts. I would appreciate feedback on the content and format and welcome any suggestions. -- spirit ( talk) 06:51, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Regarding this revert, if you see this [1] it is apparent that Kittles does not argue that Finns are "Eastern". -- Vuo ( talk) 19:08, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi there. Why was the Värttinä photo removed from the music section and the Johanna Sinisalo photo removed from the literature section? The edits summary states simply "duplicates" (see edit: 00:32, 18 April 2008 Turkuun). Peer Gynt ( talk) 23:30, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
The English of many sentences is ungrammatical, incomplete and thus not interpretable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HJJHolm ( talk • contribs) 14:52, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
The root of finnland is the hamburger culture or ahrensberger culture in germany, that is the root of all mesolithic scandinavians. the first settlers build the Komsa culture and Suomusjärvi cultur, she came around 10.000 BC from germany about danemark, south-sweden, Aland archipel to west finnland. The archeology say that is a east group, but genetic can not lay, they came from west! The second invasion was a corded ware group from south swedish (gotland or so) with name Askola culture. This came from a northern funnelbeaker group (battle axt or so) and have influence of anatolian Farmers and Ertebölle culture. Hamburger culture is the Root I1* and the saami urgroup had I1 not N. The result: Finnland was indogermanised from corded ware culture!!! The No. 3 setters was a group by Kiukainen culture, links to eastland, a ugrian language seems so. result = finno-ugrian speakers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:46:D46:AA02:507A:8F20:EB88:EC88 ( talk) 00:34, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
I moved gender equality here from Politics, in everyculture.com/Cr-Ga/Finland.html it is discussed as part of culture. -- Tappinen ( talk) 09:05, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
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@ Symmachus Auxiliarus: the article has been modified since you added these tags. Please see if the issues have been remedied, and if not, please specify where they are in the article. – Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 15:08, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
reilu: I know that for a few years it has become a common habit to say reilu in these cases, but originally reilu means "fair" like in "fair play", reilu peli, or "honest", rehellinen. We have several expressions to say "over" or "more than" etc.: yli, enemmän kuin, runsas etc. but we have only one word, reilu, for "fair". https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/reilu.2045905/ / fair : Tuo ei ole reilua. That is not fair! Se ei tunnu kovin reilulta. I think that is not very fair. https://de.glosbe.com/fi/de/reilu 87.143.177.244 ( talk) 03:33, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
I notice the current text includes:
Much as I like Tarja Turunen, it seems to me that this reference to her is misplaced in a paragraph about the 1990s. During that decade she was of course the lead singer of Nightwish, and was so until 2005: it was only after her departure from the band (and let's not get into the details of the painful split) that she became known as a solo artist.
I think it would be appropriate for someone with more knowledge than I of the Finnish scene (I'm a Brit, and have only visited Finland for one week) to expand the paragraph about the post-2000 scene and transfer the mention of Tarja to it. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.130.191 ( talk) 10:39, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
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This page needs to be edited to take out whole-country stereotypes. Some of the statements seem quite biased and not culturally-aware. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.241.238.125 ( talk) 20:55, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
This page definitely needs to be edited. It's mostly based on travelling-guide-type of stereotypes, and doesn't really tell anything about the CULTURE. The links only are not informative enough. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
212.149.193.56 (
talk)
19:01, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Finnish people aren't made of stone. The stereotypes are all wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.87.124.88 ( talk) 22:23, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
As a person livining in Finland for 16 years I can say that the claims in the article are totally true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.181.163.95 ( talk) 01:02, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
-As a finn i would say exactly those things about ourselves I was the author of this article. Howewer, I concur that the standard is not up to Oxford-level: It seems a bit juvenile and edgy, but nonetheless quite true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.221.63.216 ( talk) 22:17, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
-This was terrible. Especially after reading through the page about Japanese Popular Culture (which was an excellent page with loads of information, links, references...), I feel completely embarrassed that this is the image that perhaps thousands of foreigners get of Finland. It's full of stereotypes as has been pointed out, and it hardly provides any information about the culture, only some generalizations about Finns. I sure hope someone re-writes this, I am appalled, and hope the whole article was a joke to begin with. — Preceding
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85.23.8.104 (
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21:00, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
It is a generalizing article but definitely accurate. As a Finn I totally agree with its contents. Maybe there could be more links to some scientific articles for the more specific readers? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.250.247.12 ( talk) 04:14, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
This is by far the worst article I have seen for quite a while. It seems as if it was written by someone who has no idea what the word culture means; there is no information whatsoever on Finnish culture, just ridiculous cliches about Finnish melancholy, "sisu", alcohol use, etc. I think the best thing one could do is to delete and rewrite from scratch.-- AAikio 06:30, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- I have lived in Finland for over a year and I think that what has been written is largely true, but of course these generalizations don't apply to everyone. This article is pretty superficial - it could go a lot deeper. For instance, it could discuss cultural aspects like modern design; Alvar Aalto; Sibelius; sauna culture; summer cottage traditions; holiday traditions; the impact on the culture of long days in the summer/short days in the winter; government spending to support and promote Finnish artists; impact of the welfare state on society/individuals; health care system, successful rapid development of Finland from agrarian based economy to industrial/high tech economy. Regarding people, the article could talk more about why Finns are reserved among strangers; xeonophobia and low immigration; how to approach social or business dealings with Finns as a foreigner; how Finns have the capacity to be very warm after you get to know them and show genuine interest (rather than superficial interest or socialization); reserved pride in Finnish culture; relationship with Russia and Russians; among other things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisamarie71 ( talk • contribs) 15:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
I gave the page a full rewrite, because I think we can all agree that the previous version essentially sucked. Now it's more or less in line with the way Culture of Sweden is. This one probably still could use some expansion, but at least now it's something that could conceivably be expanded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.27.8.238 ( talk) 13:50, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
The first paragraph seems to be nearly identical to the first paragraph of
Culture of Estonia. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
91.153.144.240 (
talk)
15:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
In travel guides and even in this article, there's the idea that Finnish culture is somehow a mixture of Swedish and Russian cultures. Obviously all are originally North European and as such, similar to each other, but this doesn't mean it's a mixture. It is not disputed that Finnish culture is indigenous and strongly affected by Swedish culture, but list the Russian influences and elaborate on them why they're Russian, not of Finnish origin. I want to see reliable sources (not travel guides or something else produced by Stetson's method, i.e. by pulling out of hat). (Also, please leave the "national identity" issue out. Nationalism as we know it wasn't even invented before the 1800's, so referring to the allegiances of the Finnish people toward pre-nationalist imperial monarchs is pointless. Finnish culture existed before and during the Swedish rule, starting from the fact that Finnish language was retained.) -- Vuo 13:46, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I made major changes to this section to include historical facts. I would appreciate feedback on the content and format and welcome any suggestions. -- spirit ( talk) 06:51, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Regarding this revert, if you see this [1] it is apparent that Kittles does not argue that Finns are "Eastern". -- Vuo ( talk) 19:08, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi there. Why was the Värttinä photo removed from the music section and the Johanna Sinisalo photo removed from the literature section? The edits summary states simply "duplicates" (see edit: 00:32, 18 April 2008 Turkuun). Peer Gynt ( talk) 23:30, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
The English of many sentences is ungrammatical, incomplete and thus not interpretable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HJJHolm ( talk • contribs) 14:52, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
The root of finnland is the hamburger culture or ahrensberger culture in germany, that is the root of all mesolithic scandinavians. the first settlers build the Komsa culture and Suomusjärvi cultur, she came around 10.000 BC from germany about danemark, south-sweden, Aland archipel to west finnland. The archeology say that is a east group, but genetic can not lay, they came from west! The second invasion was a corded ware group from south swedish (gotland or so) with name Askola culture. This came from a northern funnelbeaker group (battle axt or so) and have influence of anatolian Farmers and Ertebölle culture. Hamburger culture is the Root I1* and the saami urgroup had I1 not N. The result: Finnland was indogermanised from corded ware culture!!! The No. 3 setters was a group by Kiukainen culture, links to eastland, a ugrian language seems so. result = finno-ugrian speakers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:46:D46:AA02:507A:8F20:EB88:EC88 ( talk) 00:34, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
I moved gender equality here from Politics, in everyculture.com/Cr-Ga/Finland.html it is discussed as part of culture. -- Tappinen ( talk) 09:05, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
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@ Symmachus Auxiliarus: the article has been modified since you added these tags. Please see if the issues have been remedied, and if not, please specify where they are in the article. – Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 15:08, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
reilu: I know that for a few years it has become a common habit to say reilu in these cases, but originally reilu means "fair" like in "fair play", reilu peli, or "honest", rehellinen. We have several expressions to say "over" or "more than" etc.: yli, enemmän kuin, runsas etc. but we have only one word, reilu, for "fair". https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/reilu.2045905/ / fair : Tuo ei ole reilua. That is not fair! Se ei tunnu kovin reilulta. I think that is not very fair. https://de.glosbe.com/fi/de/reilu 87.143.177.244 ( talk) 03:33, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
I notice the current text includes:
Much as I like Tarja Turunen, it seems to me that this reference to her is misplaced in a paragraph about the 1990s. During that decade she was of course the lead singer of Nightwish, and was so until 2005: it was only after her departure from the band (and let's not get into the details of the painful split) that she became known as a solo artist.
I think it would be appropriate for someone with more knowledge than I of the Finnish scene (I'm a Brit, and have only visited Finland for one week) to expand the paragraph about the post-2000 scene and transfer the mention of Tarja to it. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.130.191 ( talk) 10:39, 18 February 2022 (UTC)