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I tagged this as technical, and I'm not sure how specifically to phrase this. It seems to be describing a theory from a certain book or writer in minute detail with very little relation to other issues. — BlackTerror 19:47, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
18-Oct-2007: I have been editing several technical articles (such as " Discrete Fourier transform") to add simplified wording, but this article " Cultural memory" is not too technical, just unusual in content. The article doesn't even mention " synapse" (or " ganglion cell"). Actual overly technical articles typically have more than 3 rare terms in a sentence (such as aquifer, aquitard & aquiclude) or contain several mathematical formulas; however, this article doesn't involve any of those technical issues. I have removed tag "{{technical}}" and suggest writing a more detailed analysis as to why the article is troublesome. Please don't tag an article as "technical" just because it is unusual. - Wikid77 02:35, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
(copied from a discussion on my talk page 00:02, 24 August 2009 (UTC))
Hello, DGG. First, let me assure you that I have not been involved in any way with editing/ tagging or discussing this article with any other editor. I just came across it today while doing a Google search for "Nostalgic Depression" (a wholly-unrelated subject). I can't quite pin down exactly why, but I feel this article is unsalvageable and should be deleted. I thought you might be a good resource to consult, as you have access to collegiate library resources. Some obvious problems I can say about the article are:
While these things could certainly be improved through editing, I just am not sure if the article is worth the effort, because it:
I also note from the article history that it was penned by a single-purpose account, whom several other editors have suggested is likely the fringe theorist who wrote part (one chapter) of one of the books listed in the references section, which is extensively referred-to in the article. As such, the article may serve as a self-promotional piece. Do you agree? Any suggestion on how to proceed? Thanks for your time. Jerry delusional ¤ kangaroo 22:43, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
The concept of "cultural memory" or "kulturelles Gedächtnis" draws heavily on ideas of Ernest Renan, Maurice Halbwachs, Pierre Nora, Dan Diner and the more constructivist historians of nationalism, e.g. Benedict Anderson, Eric Hobsbawn and Ernest Gellner. I guess one problem is a lack of translation: while it is one of the most frequently refered to concepts in German and French Social Anthropology, Literary Criticism and History, it seems to be not established at all in the english-speaking scientific community. Maybe this is due to a specific German approach in the said academic fields, related to the Holocaust. The concept of "cultural memory" has been developed to a large extent on studying cultural modes of memory and remembrance in regard to the Holocaust: in what way does trauma, pain, guilt etc effect the production of identity and memory both on individual and collective (c.f. Halbwachs) basis. So there is no doubt on the relevance of said concept, but it is definitely a European (maybe even German/French) approach. The term "kulturelles Gedächtnis" has been coined by Jan Assmann and even though it is not without being contested (due to the ambivalence of the concept of "culture"), it is well established and used frequently. Important German academics who are related to said concept are Jan & Aleida Assmann, Doris Bachmann-Medick, Harald Welzer, Günter Oesterle, just to name a few. -- Billy pilgrim ( talk) 11:19, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
This article has a reference to Susan Stewart. Is this writer the same as Susan Stewart (poet)? Worldcat and the Library of Congress have references to "Stewart, Susan (Susan A.) 1952-", so the year of birth matches. If you are sure that they are the same people, please change the link from Susan Stewart to Susan Stewart (poet). -- Eastmain ( talk) 04:21, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
The article states the following
I am quite certain this is false. Nora discusses the difference in his programmatic essay "Between Memory and History: Les Lieux de Mémoire", but as far as I remember the argument does not correspond to the representation above. The essay can be found online [ [2]], so this can probably be checked soon. 95.157.3.4 ( talk) 22:55, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
I've added a link to the wiki page for the journal Memory Studies, a peer-reviewed academic journal relating to the subject of Cultural Memory. T.Broch ( talk) 13:56, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
This article is remarkably Eurocentric. Please correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.222.165.93 ( talk) 00:18, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
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Hi all! Let me first state that I have not been involved in the creating or editing of this article, but I stumbled across it while doing reseacrh for my thesis. I did just now add some tags to indicate that these sentence need referencing.
However, under the section 'Studies' the text on the MA programme seems irrelevant to me. Especially because of its focus on London it risks becoming eurocentric. Multiple universities across multiple continents have studies on memory. These are now underrepresented by the focus on London. My suggestion would therefore be to delete this section. What do you think? RafaëllaMES ( talk) 10:44, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
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This is the discussion/talk page for: Cultural memory.
I tagged this as technical, and I'm not sure how specifically to phrase this. It seems to be describing a theory from a certain book or writer in minute detail with very little relation to other issues. — BlackTerror 19:47, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
18-Oct-2007: I have been editing several technical articles (such as " Discrete Fourier transform") to add simplified wording, but this article " Cultural memory" is not too technical, just unusual in content. The article doesn't even mention " synapse" (or " ganglion cell"). Actual overly technical articles typically have more than 3 rare terms in a sentence (such as aquifer, aquitard & aquiclude) or contain several mathematical formulas; however, this article doesn't involve any of those technical issues. I have removed tag "{{technical}}" and suggest writing a more detailed analysis as to why the article is troublesome. Please don't tag an article as "technical" just because it is unusual. - Wikid77 02:35, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
(copied from a discussion on my talk page 00:02, 24 August 2009 (UTC))
Hello, DGG. First, let me assure you that I have not been involved in any way with editing/ tagging or discussing this article with any other editor. I just came across it today while doing a Google search for "Nostalgic Depression" (a wholly-unrelated subject). I can't quite pin down exactly why, but I feel this article is unsalvageable and should be deleted. I thought you might be a good resource to consult, as you have access to collegiate library resources. Some obvious problems I can say about the article are:
While these things could certainly be improved through editing, I just am not sure if the article is worth the effort, because it:
I also note from the article history that it was penned by a single-purpose account, whom several other editors have suggested is likely the fringe theorist who wrote part (one chapter) of one of the books listed in the references section, which is extensively referred-to in the article. As such, the article may serve as a self-promotional piece. Do you agree? Any suggestion on how to proceed? Thanks for your time. Jerry delusional ¤ kangaroo 22:43, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
The concept of "cultural memory" or "kulturelles Gedächtnis" draws heavily on ideas of Ernest Renan, Maurice Halbwachs, Pierre Nora, Dan Diner and the more constructivist historians of nationalism, e.g. Benedict Anderson, Eric Hobsbawn and Ernest Gellner. I guess one problem is a lack of translation: while it is one of the most frequently refered to concepts in German and French Social Anthropology, Literary Criticism and History, it seems to be not established at all in the english-speaking scientific community. Maybe this is due to a specific German approach in the said academic fields, related to the Holocaust. The concept of "cultural memory" has been developed to a large extent on studying cultural modes of memory and remembrance in regard to the Holocaust: in what way does trauma, pain, guilt etc effect the production of identity and memory both on individual and collective (c.f. Halbwachs) basis. So there is no doubt on the relevance of said concept, but it is definitely a European (maybe even German/French) approach. The term "kulturelles Gedächtnis" has been coined by Jan Assmann and even though it is not without being contested (due to the ambivalence of the concept of "culture"), it is well established and used frequently. Important German academics who are related to said concept are Jan & Aleida Assmann, Doris Bachmann-Medick, Harald Welzer, Günter Oesterle, just to name a few. -- Billy pilgrim ( talk) 11:19, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
This article has a reference to Susan Stewart. Is this writer the same as Susan Stewart (poet)? Worldcat and the Library of Congress have references to "Stewart, Susan (Susan A.) 1952-", so the year of birth matches. If you are sure that they are the same people, please change the link from Susan Stewart to Susan Stewart (poet). -- Eastmain ( talk) 04:21, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
The article states the following
I am quite certain this is false. Nora discusses the difference in his programmatic essay "Between Memory and History: Les Lieux de Mémoire", but as far as I remember the argument does not correspond to the representation above. The essay can be found online [ [2]], so this can probably be checked soon. 95.157.3.4 ( talk) 22:55, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
I've added a link to the wiki page for the journal Memory Studies, a peer-reviewed academic journal relating to the subject of Cultural Memory. T.Broch ( talk) 13:56, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
This article is remarkably Eurocentric. Please correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.222.165.93 ( talk) 00:18, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
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Hi all! Let me first state that I have not been involved in the creating or editing of this article, but I stumbled across it while doing reseacrh for my thesis. I did just now add some tags to indicate that these sentence need referencing.
However, under the section 'Studies' the text on the MA programme seems irrelevant to me. Especially because of its focus on London it risks becoming eurocentric. Multiple universities across multiple continents have studies on memory. These are now underrepresented by the focus on London. My suggestion would therefore be to delete this section. What do you think? RafaëllaMES ( talk) 10:44, 19 February 2021 (UTC)