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I find it odd that this is under the "Japanese internment camps" category when just as many if not more German-American civilians were shipped here. Please add the category, if there even is one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.0.207.191 ( talk) 18:45, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
I've noted the recent edits to this article by GabrielF and others. Assuming good faith, I appreciate the efforts, but as it stands now, this article is very poorly researched using just two sources. After all, if those two sources support the conclusion that, in the case of Japanese Americans and their immigrant parents, that, "...During World War II the United States government created detention camps for mainly German and Japanese Americans, as well as German and Japanese Latin Americans, in order to protect the country from any suspected attacks and harm," then the editors clearly haven't done sufficient research, as the historical record on this matter is quite clear: these camps (yes, even Crystal City), were not created out of concern that Japanese Americans were a security risk. Instead, "racism, wartime hysteria, and a failure of political leadership" were the root causes, as documented by the federal Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians, not to mention a load of scholarly work done well before the Commission hearings in the early 1980's.
Another statement is inaccurate: "The United States government interned Latin American Germans and Japanese because of suspicion that they were untrustworthy enemies who might help launch attacks on the US." The next sentence then refers to them as "foreigners." Again, the suspicion mentioned in that statement was bogus, and not all Japanese Americans who were incarcerated at Crystal City were immigrants. Some were native-born American citizens. Again, very poorly researched, and I'm guessing some assumptions are being made here.
The following statement is also untrue for reasons already stated: "American-born Japanese and Germans were not excluded from internment because INS officials feared they might participate in subversive activities."
There is a plethora of solid, scholarly work that is available on Crystal City, and the Japanese American Incarceration. I wish I had to time to fix this article (and it needs a boatload of repairs due to the glaring inaccuracies listed here, and I'm probably missing some), but I don't. I hope someone will take the time to do the necessary research and fix it. A good place to start is Michi Weglyn's Years of Infamy. — Gmatsuda ( talk) 06:56, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
There is too much in this article that is non- WP:TOPIC to Crystal City. Needs to be moved (except it's probably already there) to Japanese American internment. This article is strictly limited to Crystal City. Each camp article is not a WP:SOAPBOX for the issue of interment, which is covered quite adequately in the parent article. Student7 ( talk) 01:33, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia is neither pro internee nor anti-internee. The caption "life behind barbed wire" is clearly intended to generate sympathy for the internees. That is not the intent of the article. Fine for a blog, but not for here. It appear to be an Appeal to pity. Student7 ( talk) 20:08, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Here is the quote that has been challenged as non-neutral: "Crystal City INS officials justified the segregation as a way to monitor both groups."
Here is a direct quote from the source: "The camp's segregation apparently was justified as much by a bureaucratic rationale for control of internees as individuals in both groups accepted it as necessary."
And reading the quotes in context (it would take many many quoted paragraphs to explain) I feel the current text accurately represents what the source is saying. LHM ask me a question 23:58, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
I replaced the adjective "large numbers" of detainees with "a number", citing WP:POV. This was reverted. Perhaps I should have cited WP:SUBSTANTIATE. This is not a matter of media trying to slant news, for which they have no particular data to report, but an encyclopedia, which (hopefully) has accurate figures. It can be left to the reader to decide if the number is "large", "small", or to leave it WP:NPOV in their subsequent report or memory.
We are not trying to "lead" the reader. If there is no data to support the material, then please omit any adjectives. The report may well have used the pov wording (and still be WP:RS). We are obliged to omit material that is pov, even if the rest of the material is reliable. Slanted material should be skipped or reworded npov. Student7 ( talk) 21:57, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
That phrase could be misleading by implication, since as I understand it, the majority of interned Germans and Italians had actual German and Italian citizenship (though some may have been dual nationals), while Japanese Americans were interned regardless of citizenship status. Certainly only a tiny percentage of the German-American and Italian-American communities were detained, while a large percentage of the Japanese-American community in the contiguous U.S. was detained... AnonMoos ( talk) 01:34, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
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I find it odd that this is under the "Japanese internment camps" category when just as many if not more German-American civilians were shipped here. Please add the category, if there even is one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.0.207.191 ( talk) 18:45, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
I've noted the recent edits to this article by GabrielF and others. Assuming good faith, I appreciate the efforts, but as it stands now, this article is very poorly researched using just two sources. After all, if those two sources support the conclusion that, in the case of Japanese Americans and their immigrant parents, that, "...During World War II the United States government created detention camps for mainly German and Japanese Americans, as well as German and Japanese Latin Americans, in order to protect the country from any suspected attacks and harm," then the editors clearly haven't done sufficient research, as the historical record on this matter is quite clear: these camps (yes, even Crystal City), were not created out of concern that Japanese Americans were a security risk. Instead, "racism, wartime hysteria, and a failure of political leadership" were the root causes, as documented by the federal Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians, not to mention a load of scholarly work done well before the Commission hearings in the early 1980's.
Another statement is inaccurate: "The United States government interned Latin American Germans and Japanese because of suspicion that they were untrustworthy enemies who might help launch attacks on the US." The next sentence then refers to them as "foreigners." Again, the suspicion mentioned in that statement was bogus, and not all Japanese Americans who were incarcerated at Crystal City were immigrants. Some were native-born American citizens. Again, very poorly researched, and I'm guessing some assumptions are being made here.
The following statement is also untrue for reasons already stated: "American-born Japanese and Germans were not excluded from internment because INS officials feared they might participate in subversive activities."
There is a plethora of solid, scholarly work that is available on Crystal City, and the Japanese American Incarceration. I wish I had to time to fix this article (and it needs a boatload of repairs due to the glaring inaccuracies listed here, and I'm probably missing some), but I don't. I hope someone will take the time to do the necessary research and fix it. A good place to start is Michi Weglyn's Years of Infamy. — Gmatsuda ( talk) 06:56, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
There is too much in this article that is non- WP:TOPIC to Crystal City. Needs to be moved (except it's probably already there) to Japanese American internment. This article is strictly limited to Crystal City. Each camp article is not a WP:SOAPBOX for the issue of interment, which is covered quite adequately in the parent article. Student7 ( talk) 01:33, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia is neither pro internee nor anti-internee. The caption "life behind barbed wire" is clearly intended to generate sympathy for the internees. That is not the intent of the article. Fine for a blog, but not for here. It appear to be an Appeal to pity. Student7 ( talk) 20:08, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Here is the quote that has been challenged as non-neutral: "Crystal City INS officials justified the segregation as a way to monitor both groups."
Here is a direct quote from the source: "The camp's segregation apparently was justified as much by a bureaucratic rationale for control of internees as individuals in both groups accepted it as necessary."
And reading the quotes in context (it would take many many quoted paragraphs to explain) I feel the current text accurately represents what the source is saying. LHM ask me a question 23:58, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
I replaced the adjective "large numbers" of detainees with "a number", citing WP:POV. This was reverted. Perhaps I should have cited WP:SUBSTANTIATE. This is not a matter of media trying to slant news, for which they have no particular data to report, but an encyclopedia, which (hopefully) has accurate figures. It can be left to the reader to decide if the number is "large", "small", or to leave it WP:NPOV in their subsequent report or memory.
We are not trying to "lead" the reader. If there is no data to support the material, then please omit any adjectives. The report may well have used the pov wording (and still be WP:RS). We are obliged to omit material that is pov, even if the rest of the material is reliable. Slanted material should be skipped or reworded npov. Student7 ( talk) 21:57, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
That phrase could be misleading by implication, since as I understand it, the majority of interned Germans and Italians had actual German and Italian citizenship (though some may have been dual nationals), while Japanese Americans were interned regardless of citizenship status. Certainly only a tiny percentage of the German-American and Italian-American communities were detained, while a large percentage of the Japanese-American community in the contiguous U.S. was detained... AnonMoos ( talk) 01:34, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
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