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The contents of the Cryptid page were merged into List of cryptids on September 23, 2016 and it now redirects there. For the contribution history and old versions of the merged article please see its history. |
There's an ongoing discussion regarding the state of this article and its satellites over at the fringe theories noticeboard: "A Long-Term Wikipedia Problem: Wikipedia as a Cryptozoology's Pokémon Database.
Consensus seems to be to simply merge it with cryptozoology. Currently the article has zero reliable sources—they're entirely pro-cryptozoology primary sources written by cryptozoologists, no matter how the descriptions of the authors dance around this fact. The term cryptid is also restricted to cryptozoology. This article appears to exist solely to further promote cryptozoology on Wikipedia with its self-designation.
We've long had an issue with cryptozoologists revert-warring to have their way on promoting this pseudoscience on Wikipedia and this has to end if our coverage is getting any better. As a result, if you're a cryptozoologist, now is a good time to reconsider your goals here. If you want to assist in building solid and neutral coverage of the pseudoscience, you're welcome. if you want to use these articles as a forum to promote your pet pseudoscience, you need to go elsewhere. :bloodofox: ( talk) 20:48, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
So, while we figure out what is going to happen to this mess, let's take a look at one of the claims made here. One of the regular pro-cryptozoologist editors around this article has attempted to claim that the term is now "main-stream" and used outside of cryptozoologist. Notably, it's totally ignored by folklorists, and, as another user put it on another article:
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Really, enough is enough. The tactics used to make this pseudoscience look legitimate and to use Wikipedia as a promotional device have really worn out their welcome. The clean up really needs to begin (@ Mutt Lunker:). :bloodofox: ( talk) 22:15, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
I see there's some rather tense discussion/edit warring about a redirect to cryptozoology. I'd like to propose something altogether different, and I'm not interested in getting into the matters of significance, pseudoscience, etc. intertwined with those discussions.
List of cryptids desperately needs a better lead. It should explain what a cryptid is, what types of cryptid there are, where the term came from, what sorts of information the list contains, what should be included, etc. When I look at this article, I see content that would be very useful in the list. In fact, nearly the entirety of this article would be useful there.
If I were to copy the content, however, we'd have a duplicate article. That leads me to wonder: why not merge the two? Either the list into this article or -- most sensible to me given the relative size of each -- merge this article into that one (I'm indifferent as to where the resulting redirect points -- to the list, or to cryptozoology). If, down the road, the list's lead becomes overly long and detailed, it could be spun off again, but for now it looks like the lead got chopped off and moved to a separate article, creating a scenario that doesn't seem ideal for either. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 02:19, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
As there does not seem to be opposition to this idea, that I can see, shall we move forward with this? Or should we have a formal Merge discussion w/ mergeto/mergefrom templates? I'd like to suggest that those involved in recent edit wars over the redirect not be the ones to actually carry out the merge/redirect, just to avoid unnecessary drama. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:34, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
Currently this article redirects to list of cryptids. This follows a merge discussion that occurred in 2016 (see discussion above). However, since then, the cryptozoology article has seen significant development, and now includes a robust section discussing the development of the term cryptid and its application (in short, the term was coined by cryptozoologists as a reflection of the pseudoscience's approach). Everything but the list itself and Eberhart's proposed classification scheme are included at cryptozoology and with more detail and context. List of cryptids also refers readers to cryptozoology for more information. So, should we redirect this page to cryptozoology?
Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: https://www.scientificexploration.org/docs/19/jse_19_1_eberhart.pdf. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.)
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This is the
talk page of a
redirect that targets the page: • List of cryptids Because this page is not frequently watched, present and future discussions, edit requests and requested moves should take place at: • Talk:List of cryptids |
This redirect was nominated at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion on 4 May 2018. The result of the discussion was keep. |
The contents of the Cryptid page were merged into List of cryptids on 23 September 2016 and it now redirects there. For the contribution history and old versions of the merged article please see its history. |
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content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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The contents of the Cryptid page were merged into List of cryptids on September 23, 2016 and it now redirects there. For the contribution history and old versions of the merged article please see its history. |
There's an ongoing discussion regarding the state of this article and its satellites over at the fringe theories noticeboard: "A Long-Term Wikipedia Problem: Wikipedia as a Cryptozoology's Pokémon Database.
Consensus seems to be to simply merge it with cryptozoology. Currently the article has zero reliable sources—they're entirely pro-cryptozoology primary sources written by cryptozoologists, no matter how the descriptions of the authors dance around this fact. The term cryptid is also restricted to cryptozoology. This article appears to exist solely to further promote cryptozoology on Wikipedia with its self-designation.
We've long had an issue with cryptozoologists revert-warring to have their way on promoting this pseudoscience on Wikipedia and this has to end if our coverage is getting any better. As a result, if you're a cryptozoologist, now is a good time to reconsider your goals here. If you want to assist in building solid and neutral coverage of the pseudoscience, you're welcome. if you want to use these articles as a forum to promote your pet pseudoscience, you need to go elsewhere. :bloodofox: ( talk) 20:48, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
So, while we figure out what is going to happen to this mess, let's take a look at one of the claims made here. One of the regular pro-cryptozoologist editors around this article has attempted to claim that the term is now "main-stream" and used outside of cryptozoologist. Notably, it's totally ignored by folklorists, and, as another user put it on another article:
|
Really, enough is enough. The tactics used to make this pseudoscience look legitimate and to use Wikipedia as a promotional device have really worn out their welcome. The clean up really needs to begin (@ Mutt Lunker:). :bloodofox: ( talk) 22:15, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
I see there's some rather tense discussion/edit warring about a redirect to cryptozoology. I'd like to propose something altogether different, and I'm not interested in getting into the matters of significance, pseudoscience, etc. intertwined with those discussions.
List of cryptids desperately needs a better lead. It should explain what a cryptid is, what types of cryptid there are, where the term came from, what sorts of information the list contains, what should be included, etc. When I look at this article, I see content that would be very useful in the list. In fact, nearly the entirety of this article would be useful there.
If I were to copy the content, however, we'd have a duplicate article. That leads me to wonder: why not merge the two? Either the list into this article or -- most sensible to me given the relative size of each -- merge this article into that one (I'm indifferent as to where the resulting redirect points -- to the list, or to cryptozoology). If, down the road, the list's lead becomes overly long and detailed, it could be spun off again, but for now it looks like the lead got chopped off and moved to a separate article, creating a scenario that doesn't seem ideal for either. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 02:19, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
As there does not seem to be opposition to this idea, that I can see, shall we move forward with this? Or should we have a formal Merge discussion w/ mergeto/mergefrom templates? I'd like to suggest that those involved in recent edit wars over the redirect not be the ones to actually carry out the merge/redirect, just to avoid unnecessary drama. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:34, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
Currently this article redirects to list of cryptids. This follows a merge discussion that occurred in 2016 (see discussion above). However, since then, the cryptozoology article has seen significant development, and now includes a robust section discussing the development of the term cryptid and its application (in short, the term was coined by cryptozoologists as a reflection of the pseudoscience's approach). Everything but the list itself and Eberhart's proposed classification scheme are included at cryptozoology and with more detail and context. List of cryptids also refers readers to cryptozoology for more information. So, should we redirect this page to cryptozoology?
Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: https://www.scientificexploration.org/docs/19/jse_19_1_eberhart.pdf. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.)
For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, and, if allowed under fair use, may copy sentences and phrases, provided they are included in quotation marks and referenced properly. The material may also be rewritten, providing it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Therefore, such paraphrased portions must provide their source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. tronvillain ( talk) 23:48, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
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11:38, 13 December 2018 (UTC)