This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Cross border attacks in Sabah article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
This article is written in British English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, travelled, centre, defence, artefact, analyse) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus. |
I have read the article, but I do feel that it is, in a way, a bit biased towards the Malaysian point of view (aka ours). Maybe we could locate the biased parts and change them to make it less one-sided. The articles reads as though we are accusing the Moro people of doing evil things, but remember, Wikipedia is not a place to accuse, it is a place to see the facts as it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RGuy02 ( talk • contribs) 16:29, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to one external link on
Moro attacks on Sabah. Please take a moment to review
my edit. If necessary, add {{
cbignore}}
after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{
nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}}
to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 18 January 2022).
Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 21:05, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Cross border attacks in Sabah. ( non-admin closure) NgYShung huh? 09:59, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Moro attacks on Sabah → Moro conflict in Sabah – WP:NPOV. The current title is biased against the Moro people which portray them in a negative light. A more consistent approach is to parallel it with the Moro conflict. Shhhhwwww!! ( talk) 11:40, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 19 external links on Cross border attacks in Sabah. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{
Sourcecheck}}
).
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 18 January 2022).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 20:36, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
This article is biased and constitutes hate speech. Although it is not directly stated, reading the article it appears the author/s intend to portray all Filipino migrants to Sabah as terrorists, pirates, and criminals.
Take for example the following text:
"On 7 January 2017, a paperless Filipino who just served his sentence for 13 criminal offences in Sabah prison in October 2016 was shot and re-arrested by local police after he resisting from arrest and tried to injuring one of the policemen when he was caught return to his criminal activities. On 3 April, a Filipino man was shot to dead by police after running amok by stabbing his wife and tried to injuring policemen who tried to stop him after repeated warnings. Another Filipino man was charged in court for supporting the ideology of Abu Sayyaf terrorist group on 6 April. On 15 April, a local teenager was attacked and stabbed by a group of Filipino migrants in Penampang. On 30 April, a Filipino foreign worker who works for the Malaysian plantation related an incident to a friend which later was reported to police following the sightings of armed men in Lahad Datu who suddenly apprehended him and telling that they want to protect the peoples in Sabah."
or this,
"On 2 May, an unemployed Filipino man was arrested after trying to assault a security guard after being warned not to trespass a construction site. The suspect was managed to be put down by the guard during the ensuing scuffle when he began to brandishing a knife; and giving a threat to find the guard soon after his sentence is ended. The suspect also remanded for coming to the state without any valid travel documents."
or,
"On 29 September, a Filipino man who are previously involved in several robberies and kidnapping plot was shot dead after resisting arrest by opening fire towards police. On 13 November, a previously deported Filipino illegal immigrant who had return to Sabah to commit armed robbery was arrested after robbing a convenience store in Tawau. On 4 December, another Filipino man linked to the Abu Sayyaf was shot dead in the waters near Silam in Lahad Datu after resisting arrest by firing security forces."
Aside from the poor grammar, what is the relevance of these incidents to the topic of the article, which supposedly is "cross-border attacks in Sabah?"
Did these people "attack Sabah"?
If these are considered "cross-border attacks", by that logic any crime done by a migrant is a "cross-border attack". There is no evidence any of these Filipino suspects acted with nationalist or discriminatory intentions; and even if there were, such evidence should have been mentioned in the article. The only reason these and other such criminal cases are enumerated ad nauseam in this article, despite being completely irrelevant, is because the suspects are Filipino migrants -- a term that in this article appears to be used interchangeably with "Filipino terrorists" and "criminals".
Not only is this a failure of Wikipedia's standards, it is hateful rhetoric. The intent of this article is to reinforce the xenophobic, racist narrative that all Filipino migrants are dangerous and criminal people.
A few writers here have admitted they are Malaysian, and this is entirely their point of view. Regardless of nationality, the job of Wikipedia contributors is to document, not uphold, points of view. If this sensitive issue should be covered, it should be covered from a facts-based, scientific perspective that documents different points of view and possible underlying causes of such issues. Olibabaylan ( talk) 15:49, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Cross border attacks in Sabah article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
This article is written in British English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, travelled, centre, defence, artefact, analyse) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus. |
I have read the article, but I do feel that it is, in a way, a bit biased towards the Malaysian point of view (aka ours). Maybe we could locate the biased parts and change them to make it less one-sided. The articles reads as though we are accusing the Moro people of doing evil things, but remember, Wikipedia is not a place to accuse, it is a place to see the facts as it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RGuy02 ( talk • contribs) 16:29, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to one external link on
Moro attacks on Sabah. Please take a moment to review
my edit. If necessary, add {{
cbignore}}
after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{
nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}}
to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 18 January 2022).
Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 21:05, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Cross border attacks in Sabah. ( non-admin closure) NgYShung huh? 09:59, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Moro attacks on Sabah → Moro conflict in Sabah – WP:NPOV. The current title is biased against the Moro people which portray them in a negative light. A more consistent approach is to parallel it with the Moro conflict. Shhhhwwww!! ( talk) 11:40, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 19 external links on Cross border attacks in Sabah. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{
Sourcecheck}}
).
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 18 January 2022).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 20:36, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
This article is biased and constitutes hate speech. Although it is not directly stated, reading the article it appears the author/s intend to portray all Filipino migrants to Sabah as terrorists, pirates, and criminals.
Take for example the following text:
"On 7 January 2017, a paperless Filipino who just served his sentence for 13 criminal offences in Sabah prison in October 2016 was shot and re-arrested by local police after he resisting from arrest and tried to injuring one of the policemen when he was caught return to his criminal activities. On 3 April, a Filipino man was shot to dead by police after running amok by stabbing his wife and tried to injuring policemen who tried to stop him after repeated warnings. Another Filipino man was charged in court for supporting the ideology of Abu Sayyaf terrorist group on 6 April. On 15 April, a local teenager was attacked and stabbed by a group of Filipino migrants in Penampang. On 30 April, a Filipino foreign worker who works for the Malaysian plantation related an incident to a friend which later was reported to police following the sightings of armed men in Lahad Datu who suddenly apprehended him and telling that they want to protect the peoples in Sabah."
or this,
"On 2 May, an unemployed Filipino man was arrested after trying to assault a security guard after being warned not to trespass a construction site. The suspect was managed to be put down by the guard during the ensuing scuffle when he began to brandishing a knife; and giving a threat to find the guard soon after his sentence is ended. The suspect also remanded for coming to the state without any valid travel documents."
or,
"On 29 September, a Filipino man who are previously involved in several robberies and kidnapping plot was shot dead after resisting arrest by opening fire towards police. On 13 November, a previously deported Filipino illegal immigrant who had return to Sabah to commit armed robbery was arrested after robbing a convenience store in Tawau. On 4 December, another Filipino man linked to the Abu Sayyaf was shot dead in the waters near Silam in Lahad Datu after resisting arrest by firing security forces."
Aside from the poor grammar, what is the relevance of these incidents to the topic of the article, which supposedly is "cross-border attacks in Sabah?"
Did these people "attack Sabah"?
If these are considered "cross-border attacks", by that logic any crime done by a migrant is a "cross-border attack". There is no evidence any of these Filipino suspects acted with nationalist or discriminatory intentions; and even if there were, such evidence should have been mentioned in the article. The only reason these and other such criminal cases are enumerated ad nauseam in this article, despite being completely irrelevant, is because the suspects are Filipino migrants -- a term that in this article appears to be used interchangeably with "Filipino terrorists" and "criminals".
Not only is this a failure of Wikipedia's standards, it is hateful rhetoric. The intent of this article is to reinforce the xenophobic, racist narrative that all Filipino migrants are dangerous and criminal people.
A few writers here have admitted they are Malaysian, and this is entirely their point of view. Regardless of nationality, the job of Wikipedia contributors is to document, not uphold, points of view. If this sensitive issue should be covered, it should be covered from a facts-based, scientific perspective that documents different points of view and possible underlying causes of such issues. Olibabaylan ( talk) 15:49, 3 September 2022 (UTC)