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Here, I'll start a topic for the discussion, then. Figure something out, you two, because this daily reverting is silly. And play nice. - Bbik 09:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
To be short, I'm going to redirect most facts over to Talk:House of Balšić. 4 peoples populated the lands: Serbs, Albanians, Latins and Vlachs.
The Crnojevics are of undoubtful Serbian origin (as all sources presented in the article). They (the Djurasevics), only in the second half of the 14th century became centered in the domain of present-day Montenegro.
In 1362. Djuras was killed by Balsha I. On Djuras' grave in Prevlaka is: in Emperor's Stefan's name a fearsome knight. Throughout the whole reign of the Crnojevics the Serbian Empire and the Cult of the Nemanyiden became their life motto. The Crnojevics maintained Zeta (or we could already say now, pre-modern Montenegro) as the very last free part of Serbia. As a maintains of the tradition, the Crnojevics adopted the Double-headed evil of the Nemanjics as their coat-of-arms.
This is Djuradj IV Crnojevic's words, when the discussions for a new Serb Patriarch were led: ..из тог вам узрока остављам мјесто себе Митрополита Германа, а по њем будуће митрополите, докле, еда Бог промисли за србски народ на други бољи начин. Герман је обшти духовни одтац и архипастир, а ово је ваша обшта црква и манастијер, у којему он пребива; тко може, дакле, боље и усрдније за добро ваше радити од вашега духовнога оца?..
As the very last fringe of the Serbian realm, the Serbian Orthodox Church lied in the hands of the Crnojevics' control. These all traditions were continued (or better said, inherited) by the Petrović-Njegoš not many centuries afterwards.
Quoting Encyclopedia Britannica:
And to the addition - remember the Cetinje printing house, the first printing house in the Slavo-Serbian language. In addition to that the Crnojevics remained till the турске пропасти faithful adherents - and contributors - of the Serbian Church, so even if their origin is Croatia like User:Red Croatia claims, putting "Serbian" over at the article seems like a perfectly sane thing to do. -- PaxEquilibrium 16:07, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Here is what Metropolitan of Cetinje Mitrofan Ban wrote:
From the History of Montenegro written by the old Metropolitan of Cetinje:
Since User:Bbik criticized me (;), I'm gonna try to translate this:
---The Crnojevici may have been serbian origin, but they were montenegrin, hence "lords zetan" not "lords serbian" i rest my case
-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 21:31, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
@ Βατο, Sadko, and Sideshow Bob:, it is best to sort out the dispute on the talk page. I suggest the removal of the entire unsourced content, and additions based on RS such as Fine and The Cambridge Medieval History. Re the origin and identity, a small section could be a more viable solution than the first sentence of the article. Cheers, Ktrimi991 ( talk) 20:20, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
Here, I'll start a topic for the discussion, then. Figure something out, you two, because this daily reverting is silly. And play nice. - Bbik 09:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
To be short, I'm going to redirect most facts over to Talk:House of Balšić. 4 peoples populated the lands: Serbs, Albanians, Latins and Vlachs.
The Crnojevics are of undoubtful Serbian origin (as all sources presented in the article). They (the Djurasevics), only in the second half of the 14th century became centered in the domain of present-day Montenegro.
In 1362. Djuras was killed by Balsha I. On Djuras' grave in Prevlaka is: in Emperor's Stefan's name a fearsome knight. Throughout the whole reign of the Crnojevics the Serbian Empire and the Cult of the Nemanyiden became their life motto. The Crnojevics maintained Zeta (or we could already say now, pre-modern Montenegro) as the very last free part of Serbia. As a maintains of the tradition, the Crnojevics adopted the Double-headed evil of the Nemanjics as their coat-of-arms.
This is Djuradj IV Crnojevic's words, when the discussions for a new Serb Patriarch were led: ..из тог вам узрока остављам мјесто себе Митрополита Германа, а по њем будуће митрополите, докле, еда Бог промисли за србски народ на други бољи начин. Герман је обшти духовни одтац и архипастир, а ово је ваша обшта црква и манастијер, у којему он пребива; тко може, дакле, боље и усрдније за добро ваше радити од вашега духовнога оца?..
As the very last fringe of the Serbian realm, the Serbian Orthodox Church lied in the hands of the Crnojevics' control. These all traditions were continued (or better said, inherited) by the Petrović-Njegoš not many centuries afterwards.
Quoting Encyclopedia Britannica:
And to the addition - remember the Cetinje printing house, the first printing house in the Slavo-Serbian language. In addition to that the Crnojevics remained till the турске пропасти faithful adherents - and contributors - of the Serbian Church, so even if their origin is Croatia like User:Red Croatia claims, putting "Serbian" over at the article seems like a perfectly sane thing to do. -- PaxEquilibrium 16:07, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Here is what Metropolitan of Cetinje Mitrofan Ban wrote:
From the History of Montenegro written by the old Metropolitan of Cetinje:
Since User:Bbik criticized me (;), I'm gonna try to translate this:
---The Crnojevici may have been serbian origin, but they were montenegrin, hence "lords zetan" not "lords serbian" i rest my case
-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 21:31, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
@ Βατο, Sadko, and Sideshow Bob:, it is best to sort out the dispute on the talk page. I suggest the removal of the entire unsourced content, and additions based on RS such as Fine and The Cambridge Medieval History. Re the origin and identity, a small section could be a more viable solution than the first sentence of the article. Cheers, Ktrimi991 ( talk) 20:20, 30 November 2019 (UTC)