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Is there an intent to expand this article? If not, it should be merged into the Mexico article since half of its content is already there.
-- Richard 19:00, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
yeah we should put this information in Mexico —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.38.69.172 ( talk • contribs) 13:31, 18 May 2006 (UTC).
Information in Mexican Crime Rates has been merged into this article as proposed. I have not replaced that article with a redirect because it is up for deletion. Aguerriero ( talk) 18:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
A spanish translation of some of this article is now available on the spanish-language Wikipedia. If anyone is interested, check it out here. Aguerriero ( talk) 20:35, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Spanish version: La única fuente que cita el redactor de este artículo es estadounidense. Por lo tanto, una buena parte del texto consiste en la influencia negativa que ejerce el crimen mexicano sobre sus vecinos del norte. Por otro lado, cuando aborda la descripción del crimen, sólo señala a la ciudad de México, cuando cualquier medio noticioso de cualquier tendencia muestran que la violencia derivada del crimen es mayor en los estados del norte, en Michoacán, Guerrero y Sinaloa. No se ocupa de las causas sociales de la delincuencia y se limita a señalar que la causa del aumento en los índices delictivos son ocasionados por la impunidad imperante en el país. Nada dice, por ejemplo,
entre otros de los muchos problemas de seguridad en el país.
English translation: The only source(s) that the editor of this article cites is American. Moreover, a good part of the text deals with the negative influence of Mexican crime on its neighbors to the north (i.e. the U.S.) On the other side, when it comes to description of crime, the article only talks about Mexico City when just about any news report regardless of (political) leaning indicates that the crime-related violence is greater in the northern states of Michoacán, Guerrero and Sinaloa. The article doesn't deal with the social causes of delinquency and only attributes the cause of increasing crime rates to ("imperante") impunity in the country.
For example, it says nothing about:
among the many problems of security in the country (of Mexico)
-- Richard 17:25, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
This was not quite ready to be a Good article but it's pretty close. It needs a good copyedit and maybe some restructuring and then it'll be there. For that reason, I didn't "fail" the GA nomination. However, as a contributor to the article, I shouldn't "pass" it either. I'm going to do some copyediting while we wait for some unbiased reviewer to look at it and make a decision.
-- Richard 15:39, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
OK, I took a whack at it and, IMO, the article is now much improved and hopefully ready to be passed into GA status. Some of the subsections are "stubs" though and should be fleshed out. Any subsection that has only one or two sentences in it needs to be expanded.
Finally, while copyediting, I found this sentence: "The Mexican mafia has close ties to Mexican organized crime syndicates."
I don't understand it. In the U.S., the "mafia" is a colloquialism for "organized crime syndicate" so the sentence above seems like a tautology. What is it trying to say? I've deleted it for now.
-- Richard 16:04, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Hello everyone. I have reviewed your article for the Good Article nomination (and some minor copyediting for ya). Did not realise that Richard has already started the process here. I think it's pretty close but I won't promote the article just yet since it's been changing quite dramatically recently. I will leave it on "hold" on the Nominations page for a couple of days. Just to make sure that the changes the article is going through right now won't detrement its status as a GA. (But as it is, I think it is decent enough).
A little aside: The biggest suggestion I would give you is to be more dilligent with your in-line quotations. It is not a requirement for GA, but I think leaving them out will just make it harder for you to get to FA stage. Just as examples of what I think needs citations, things like: Drug trafficking has led to corruption, which has had a deleterious effect on democracy in Mexico. and Arratia's murder, which was particularly brutal, and others like it, have sparked demands from other journalists that President Vicente Fox do more to enforce security and bring those responsible for the murders to justice. I think it's important to allow the reader to verify facts like these for themselves.
Well done everyone for creating such a nice article from an AfD in just a couple of months!-- Konstable 13:54, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok, it's a good article. Well done. Work hard for FA!-- Konstable 13:01, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
82.40.21.240 deleted reference to domestic production of opium poppy without explanation and despite the fact that the sentence had a citation [1]
I am reverting pending explanation of the deletion.
-- Richard 14:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Can anyone find a public domain picture of Francisco Arratia Saldierna?
It would also be good to have a picture of the 2004 protest march.
Is there a picture that depicts U.S. and Mexican border patrol forces? Ideally, it would be a picture related to crime and NOT to illegal immigration. -- Richard 02:22, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations everybody on getting this article to GA status so quickly after it was just a stub extracted from the Mexico article.
Here are my thoughts on getting this to FA status:
-- Richard 15:45, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
NOTE: I am an estados-unidense and actually know relatively little about Mexico which is why I have contributed little of substance since the initial creation of this article. Below are some questions that I think need to be answered to help make this an article worthy of FA status.
Is poverty really a cause of crime? If so, Mexico has been a poor nation for most of its history and thus crime should have been a problem since its inception. Has it been? What is the support for the statement that "crime in Mexico has declined over the last 100 years"? Can statistics be provided?
I'm reminded of the film "Los Olvidados" by Luis Buñuel. Crime was clearly a problem back in 1950. Why did he make the film? Was crime an increasing problem that was worth noting? What precisely was Buñuel describing? Was it the problem of urban slums and urban crime? Have things improved since then or gotten worse?
It would be useful to have crime statistics for a longer period of time to get a better trend analysis. It would be good to have some statistics that spans at least a decade or two, if not the 50 years since Buñuel's film.
Here is my very "OR" perception of Mexicans. Many of the campesinos in the country side are poor but are honest and hard-working. I am not convinced that poverty causes crime. Poverty is more likely a function of urban settings and the breakdown of family and social structures. It is also very much a function of weak and corrupt governmental institutions (police and judiciary) and the pernicious influence of the international drug trade.
Do you agree with this? If so, do you feel that the article tells this story? I think parts of this story are told by the article but the reader is never given an integrating overview. Maybe the above points are "obvious" to a sociologist but they might not be so obvious to the average reader.
NB: This "story" could be considered POV and OR unless supported by reliable sources.
If my assessment that crime in Mexico is primarily an urban problem, it would be useful to have statistics that prove this point by comparing crime rates in urban areas vs. rural areas.
-- Richard 15:20, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Recently three subsections appeared in the Corruption heading titled "Corruption in Government", "Unions", and "Political Parties". The new sections contain some pretty hefty claims, all unsupported by citations. Since this is a GA and we would like to maintain that status, I propose removing those sections unless citations can be found. Does anyone disagree? -- Spike Wilbury 21:45, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force in an effort to ensure all listed Good articles continue to meet the Good article criteria. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed.
1) Some claims are unsupported by references, one important link is dead. I added a few 'fact' tags in addition to those, which had already been their;
2) The layout of the article is not well thought through, because there are lots of short (1 or 2 sentences) subsections, which should be merged (see 'Crime rate', Corruption, and 'Efforts to combat crime in Mexico' sections). In addition some sections are also short, and their content can be moved into other sections. For instance, 'Crime in Mexico City' can be merged with 'Crime rate'.
3) The 'External links' section should contain full citations, not only web links;
I fixed some minor problems myself, but the editors should do the rest. I will check back in no less than seven days. If progress is being made and issues are addressed, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it may be delisted (such a decision may be challenged through WP:GAR). If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAN. Feel free to drop a message on my talk page if you have any questions, and many thanks for all the hard work that has gone into this article thus far. Regards, Ruslik 13:36, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Now I am going to delist this article, because no actions have been taken to address my concerns. Ruslik 05:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
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There have been proposals to excommunicate drug cartel leaders ; this might be relevant for the article if it goes into effect. [2] ADM ( talk) 06:00, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Wow, just wow. This is such a load of proganda BS that I don't even know where to begin. Crime statistics from 2004 that are estimates from the UN? Mexico City is the locus of crime in Mexico? Murder is not one of the top crimes? Sheesh. I'll tell you, I lived in Mexico for 3 years and while I'm careful but not afraid of Mexico City, I won't even go to the border cities. This article is beyond salvation and should just be deleted. I know I know but there really are so many weasel words and false assertions in this article, I can't see fixing it.
The time-series table of Mexican crime statistics begins with 2000 and ends with 2004.
Wow. Double wow. Didn't anything happen before 2000? Hasn't anything happened since 2004? Many people are prudently afraid to travel to Mexico, and particularly the border cities. But this article sheds very little light on whether that fear is justified.
Is it impossible to present important truths here because those truths might be offensive to someone? On the other hand, is it impossible to debunk popular delusions -- can it be that Mexico truly is not a dangerous place, but no one can say that either? This article is so "neutral" that it is essentially devoid of useful content.
Can anyone (knowledgeably) fix this? I certainly cannot -- I don't know. Paul ( talk) 04:06, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
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I would like to inform everyone that I am planning to edit the existing section on forced dissapearance. I want to expand the current section by writing more elaborately on the subject by using recent figures. These figures will be provided by cedible sources such as amnesty international and the human rights watch. By doing this the section will reflect the current situation more accurately in a cohorent manner. Moreover, I would like to mention the enforced disappearance of 43 students from Ayotzinapa to illustrate the gravity of this issue. This will be linked to the existing wikipedia on that event.
–– IPUvA ( talk) 16:30, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
Just the first chart of this article suggests that this article is outdated. I suggest consolidating pre-2010 stuff into a historic section or work it in with the rest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.98.48 ( talk) 03:36, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
If anybody feels like bringing this more up to date, here are a few links:
2001:BB6:4713:4858:DDE:AA97:5936:EEF ( talk) 13:12, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Damn reading this in 2024 105.112.123.124 ( talk) 00:16, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
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Is there an intent to expand this article? If not, it should be merged into the Mexico article since half of its content is already there.
-- Richard 19:00, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
yeah we should put this information in Mexico —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.38.69.172 ( talk • contribs) 13:31, 18 May 2006 (UTC).
Information in Mexican Crime Rates has been merged into this article as proposed. I have not replaced that article with a redirect because it is up for deletion. Aguerriero ( talk) 18:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
A spanish translation of some of this article is now available on the spanish-language Wikipedia. If anyone is interested, check it out here. Aguerriero ( talk) 20:35, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Spanish version: La única fuente que cita el redactor de este artículo es estadounidense. Por lo tanto, una buena parte del texto consiste en la influencia negativa que ejerce el crimen mexicano sobre sus vecinos del norte. Por otro lado, cuando aborda la descripción del crimen, sólo señala a la ciudad de México, cuando cualquier medio noticioso de cualquier tendencia muestran que la violencia derivada del crimen es mayor en los estados del norte, en Michoacán, Guerrero y Sinaloa. No se ocupa de las causas sociales de la delincuencia y se limita a señalar que la causa del aumento en los índices delictivos son ocasionados por la impunidad imperante en el país. Nada dice, por ejemplo,
entre otros de los muchos problemas de seguridad en el país.
English translation: The only source(s) that the editor of this article cites is American. Moreover, a good part of the text deals with the negative influence of Mexican crime on its neighbors to the north (i.e. the U.S.) On the other side, when it comes to description of crime, the article only talks about Mexico City when just about any news report regardless of (political) leaning indicates that the crime-related violence is greater in the northern states of Michoacán, Guerrero and Sinaloa. The article doesn't deal with the social causes of delinquency and only attributes the cause of increasing crime rates to ("imperante") impunity in the country.
For example, it says nothing about:
among the many problems of security in the country (of Mexico)
-- Richard 17:25, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
This was not quite ready to be a Good article but it's pretty close. It needs a good copyedit and maybe some restructuring and then it'll be there. For that reason, I didn't "fail" the GA nomination. However, as a contributor to the article, I shouldn't "pass" it either. I'm going to do some copyediting while we wait for some unbiased reviewer to look at it and make a decision.
-- Richard 15:39, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
OK, I took a whack at it and, IMO, the article is now much improved and hopefully ready to be passed into GA status. Some of the subsections are "stubs" though and should be fleshed out. Any subsection that has only one or two sentences in it needs to be expanded.
Finally, while copyediting, I found this sentence: "The Mexican mafia has close ties to Mexican organized crime syndicates."
I don't understand it. In the U.S., the "mafia" is a colloquialism for "organized crime syndicate" so the sentence above seems like a tautology. What is it trying to say? I've deleted it for now.
-- Richard 16:04, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Hello everyone. I have reviewed your article for the Good Article nomination (and some minor copyediting for ya). Did not realise that Richard has already started the process here. I think it's pretty close but I won't promote the article just yet since it's been changing quite dramatically recently. I will leave it on "hold" on the Nominations page for a couple of days. Just to make sure that the changes the article is going through right now won't detrement its status as a GA. (But as it is, I think it is decent enough).
A little aside: The biggest suggestion I would give you is to be more dilligent with your in-line quotations. It is not a requirement for GA, but I think leaving them out will just make it harder for you to get to FA stage. Just as examples of what I think needs citations, things like: Drug trafficking has led to corruption, which has had a deleterious effect on democracy in Mexico. and Arratia's murder, which was particularly brutal, and others like it, have sparked demands from other journalists that President Vicente Fox do more to enforce security and bring those responsible for the murders to justice. I think it's important to allow the reader to verify facts like these for themselves.
Well done everyone for creating such a nice article from an AfD in just a couple of months!-- Konstable 13:54, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok, it's a good article. Well done. Work hard for FA!-- Konstable 13:01, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
82.40.21.240 deleted reference to domestic production of opium poppy without explanation and despite the fact that the sentence had a citation [1]
I am reverting pending explanation of the deletion.
-- Richard 14:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Can anyone find a public domain picture of Francisco Arratia Saldierna?
It would also be good to have a picture of the 2004 protest march.
Is there a picture that depicts U.S. and Mexican border patrol forces? Ideally, it would be a picture related to crime and NOT to illegal immigration. -- Richard 02:22, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations everybody on getting this article to GA status so quickly after it was just a stub extracted from the Mexico article.
Here are my thoughts on getting this to FA status:
-- Richard 15:45, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
NOTE: I am an estados-unidense and actually know relatively little about Mexico which is why I have contributed little of substance since the initial creation of this article. Below are some questions that I think need to be answered to help make this an article worthy of FA status.
Is poverty really a cause of crime? If so, Mexico has been a poor nation for most of its history and thus crime should have been a problem since its inception. Has it been? What is the support for the statement that "crime in Mexico has declined over the last 100 years"? Can statistics be provided?
I'm reminded of the film "Los Olvidados" by Luis Buñuel. Crime was clearly a problem back in 1950. Why did he make the film? Was crime an increasing problem that was worth noting? What precisely was Buñuel describing? Was it the problem of urban slums and urban crime? Have things improved since then or gotten worse?
It would be useful to have crime statistics for a longer period of time to get a better trend analysis. It would be good to have some statistics that spans at least a decade or two, if not the 50 years since Buñuel's film.
Here is my very "OR" perception of Mexicans. Many of the campesinos in the country side are poor but are honest and hard-working. I am not convinced that poverty causes crime. Poverty is more likely a function of urban settings and the breakdown of family and social structures. It is also very much a function of weak and corrupt governmental institutions (police and judiciary) and the pernicious influence of the international drug trade.
Do you agree with this? If so, do you feel that the article tells this story? I think parts of this story are told by the article but the reader is never given an integrating overview. Maybe the above points are "obvious" to a sociologist but they might not be so obvious to the average reader.
NB: This "story" could be considered POV and OR unless supported by reliable sources.
If my assessment that crime in Mexico is primarily an urban problem, it would be useful to have statistics that prove this point by comparing crime rates in urban areas vs. rural areas.
-- Richard 15:20, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Recently three subsections appeared in the Corruption heading titled "Corruption in Government", "Unions", and "Political Parties". The new sections contain some pretty hefty claims, all unsupported by citations. Since this is a GA and we would like to maintain that status, I propose removing those sections unless citations can be found. Does anyone disagree? -- Spike Wilbury 21:45, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force in an effort to ensure all listed Good articles continue to meet the Good article criteria. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed.
1) Some claims are unsupported by references, one important link is dead. I added a few 'fact' tags in addition to those, which had already been their;
2) The layout of the article is not well thought through, because there are lots of short (1 or 2 sentences) subsections, which should be merged (see 'Crime rate', Corruption, and 'Efforts to combat crime in Mexico' sections). In addition some sections are also short, and their content can be moved into other sections. For instance, 'Crime in Mexico City' can be merged with 'Crime rate'.
3) The 'External links' section should contain full citations, not only web links;
I fixed some minor problems myself, but the editors should do the rest. I will check back in no less than seven days. If progress is being made and issues are addressed, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it may be delisted (such a decision may be challenged through WP:GAR). If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAN. Feel free to drop a message on my talk page if you have any questions, and many thanks for all the hard work that has gone into this article thus far. Regards, Ruslik 13:36, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Now I am going to delist this article, because no actions have been taken to address my concerns. Ruslik 05:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
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There have been proposals to excommunicate drug cartel leaders ; this might be relevant for the article if it goes into effect. [2] ADM ( talk) 06:00, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Wow, just wow. This is such a load of proganda BS that I don't even know where to begin. Crime statistics from 2004 that are estimates from the UN? Mexico City is the locus of crime in Mexico? Murder is not one of the top crimes? Sheesh. I'll tell you, I lived in Mexico for 3 years and while I'm careful but not afraid of Mexico City, I won't even go to the border cities. This article is beyond salvation and should just be deleted. I know I know but there really are so many weasel words and false assertions in this article, I can't see fixing it.
The time-series table of Mexican crime statistics begins with 2000 and ends with 2004.
Wow. Double wow. Didn't anything happen before 2000? Hasn't anything happened since 2004? Many people are prudently afraid to travel to Mexico, and particularly the border cities. But this article sheds very little light on whether that fear is justified.
Is it impossible to present important truths here because those truths might be offensive to someone? On the other hand, is it impossible to debunk popular delusions -- can it be that Mexico truly is not a dangerous place, but no one can say that either? This article is so "neutral" that it is essentially devoid of useful content.
Can anyone (knowledgeably) fix this? I certainly cannot -- I don't know. Paul ( talk) 04:06, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
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I would like to inform everyone that I am planning to edit the existing section on forced dissapearance. I want to expand the current section by writing more elaborately on the subject by using recent figures. These figures will be provided by cedible sources such as amnesty international and the human rights watch. By doing this the section will reflect the current situation more accurately in a cohorent manner. Moreover, I would like to mention the enforced disappearance of 43 students from Ayotzinapa to illustrate the gravity of this issue. This will be linked to the existing wikipedia on that event.
–– IPUvA ( talk) 16:30, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
Just the first chart of this article suggests that this article is outdated. I suggest consolidating pre-2010 stuff into a historic section or work it in with the rest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.98.48 ( talk) 03:36, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
If anybody feels like bringing this more up to date, here are a few links:
2001:BB6:4713:4858:DDE:AA97:5936:EEF ( talk) 13:12, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Damn reading this in 2024 105.112.123.124 ( talk) 00:16, 11 August 2023 (UTC)