This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Crew Dragon Demo-1 article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
![]() | This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
![]() | This article links to one or more target anchors that no longer exist.
Please help fix the broken anchors. You can remove this template after fixing the problems. |
Reporting errors |
The result of the move request was: moved ( closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 13:19, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
– The mission's official names via NASA are "SpaceX Demo-1" and SpaceX Demo-2", as noted on their Commercial Crew Program (CCP) subsite [1], their CCP blog [2], and their press releases [3]. Sources from SpaceX themselves are extremely scare, and their latest press release on these missions are dated August 2018, which is a long time ago, which refers to the first flight as "SpaceX’s first demonstration mission" in prose writing [4]. In reliable third party sources, Spaceflight Now refers to the mission as "Crew Dragon Demo-1" and "Crew Dragon Demo-2" in its launch schedule [5]. Space.com has referred to the missions since the beginning of 2019 as "Space X's Demo-1 Crew Dragon" [6], "Demo-1" and "Demo-2" [7] [8], and "Crew Dragon Demo-1" [9]. Universe Today refers to these flights as "Demo-1" [10] and "Demo-2" [11]. Futurism refers to the mission as "Demo-1 (or DM-1)" [12]. Inverse refers to the missions as "Demo-1" and "Demo-2" [13].
No source in either article, nor any source listed here, refers to the missions as "SpX-DM1" or "SpX-DM2". They do not truncate the name of "SpaceX", nor is the hyphen located between "SpaceX"/"Crew Dragon" and "Demo". The hyphen is almost unanimously recognised among these sources to be between "Demo" and the number of the flight, and would make sense with NASA's mission naming practices à la Exploration Flight Test-1 and Exploration Mission-1. I am proposing that we rename the articles to "Crew Dragon Demo-1" and "Crew Dragon Demo-2". The titles would most importantly be precise enough, under guidelines on precision in disambiguation, to distinguish from SpaceX COTS Demo Flight 1, Dragon C2+ and Falcon Heavy test flight, SpaceX's other demonstration missions. "SpaceX Demo-1" and "SpaceX Demo-2" could easily be confused for these aforementioned missions. The names also have a strong case for common name recognition, as "Crew Dragon Demo-1" is more often used in third party sources. "Crew Dragon Demo-1" has nearly eleven million results on Google [14], while "SpaceX Demo-1" only has three and a half million results [15].
For the sake of straightforward and concise discussion, Support Crew Dragon is supporting a move to "Crew Dragon Demo-1" and "Crew Dragon Demo-2". Support SpaceX is supporting a move to "SpaceX Demo-1" and "SpaceX Demo-2". Oppose is an opposition to the move proposal entirely, and a support of the status quo of "SpX-DM1" and "SpX-DM2". – PhilipTerryGraham ( talk · articles · reviews) 21:23, 27 February 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. B dash ( talk) 09:33, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources). A quick search of news articles reveals a wide variety of names ("DM-1 mission", "SpaceX's Demo-1 Crew Dragon test flight", "the SpaceX Demo-1 mission", "SpaceX Crew Dragon test launch", "Crew Dragon Demonstration Mission 1", etc.). Given that no single name leaps out as being the most common, "Crew Dragon Demo-1" seems sufficiently WP:CONCISE and rather more WP:PRECISE than "SpaceX Demo-1" (which could also refer to SpaceX COTS Demo Flight 1). Alternatively we could aim for consistency with that previous demo flight, which would imply SpaceX Crew Dragon Demo Flight 1. Rosbif73 ( talk) 07:37, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Page 12-14 of NASA's Press Kit contain a good amount of information about the objectives/facts about the mission (Demo-1). I don't feel confident enough to know what info to add from this Press kit (plus I make a lot of mistakes, something I need to work on). If possible, can anyone, if they have the time to do so, add some of the press kit info into this page? (only if they find the info useful). Thanks! OkayKenji ( talk) 04:18, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
There is a mention in this WP article of the spacecraft carrying cargo. I wonder if this is the mass simulator(s) or of it actually carries supplies to the ISS. Cheers, Rowan Forest ( talk) 21:51, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
I had earlier edited {{ Infobox spaceflight}} to use an incredible photograph of the Crew Dragon silhouetted against the horizon, taken by Anne McClain, as its lead image. As a landscape photograph, it would help alleviate the vertical size of {{ Infobox spaceflight}} while at the same time presenting a unique image from the mission as a way to uniquely identify the mission from a glance. There will be images of Crew Dragons launching, and there will be images of the Crew Dragon docked to the ISS on various other missions in the future, but this photograph will likely be a unique product of this mission, and thus should be presented as such. The manual of style states that "it is also common for the lead image to be representative because it provides a visual association for the topic, and allow readers to quickly assess if they have arrived at the right page." This is a unique opportunity to be able to do that for this page. – PhilipTerryGraham ( talk · articles · reviews) 10:44, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
So, looking at this page [6] there seems to be a lot of Wikipedia articles that link to this one. Many of them seem to use "Spx-DM1" to link to this page. Should the titles of the Wikilinks be changed to reflect the recent move? If so should we used "Crew Dragon Demo-1" or "SpaceX Demo-1" as the title for the Wikilink? (by title I meant to say "Text to Display"
Also when "Spx-DM1" is used as the title for the link to this page in wiki-tables like here [7]. It might be "ok" to leave it as "Spx-DM1". Not sure though. OkayKenji ( talk) 01:23, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Came here trying to find out if this flight was the one that won an Emmy. Other sources confirm yes, but I was a little surprised not find this (noteworthy?) info on this page. Is this worth adding? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.8.100.203 ( talk) 21:59, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Crew Dragon Demo-2 which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 11:04, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
Not sure how to fix it, but the infobox links to the wrong vehicle. Somehow the code {{ComV|Dragon 2|C204}} appears as "Cargo Dragon C204" on the page but links to C205. See: Crew Dragon C204 -- Wizardimps ( talk) 04:09, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
Though C204 never ended up carrying any passengers, the model of the vehicle was a Crew Dragon; the page "Cargo Dragon" links to also calls it a Crew Dragon.
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Crew Dragon Demo-1 article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
![]() | This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
![]() | This article links to one or more target anchors that no longer exist.
Please help fix the broken anchors. You can remove this template after fixing the problems. |
Reporting errors |
The result of the move request was: moved ( closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 13:19, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
– The mission's official names via NASA are "SpaceX Demo-1" and SpaceX Demo-2", as noted on their Commercial Crew Program (CCP) subsite [1], their CCP blog [2], and their press releases [3]. Sources from SpaceX themselves are extremely scare, and their latest press release on these missions are dated August 2018, which is a long time ago, which refers to the first flight as "SpaceX’s first demonstration mission" in prose writing [4]. In reliable third party sources, Spaceflight Now refers to the mission as "Crew Dragon Demo-1" and "Crew Dragon Demo-2" in its launch schedule [5]. Space.com has referred to the missions since the beginning of 2019 as "Space X's Demo-1 Crew Dragon" [6], "Demo-1" and "Demo-2" [7] [8], and "Crew Dragon Demo-1" [9]. Universe Today refers to these flights as "Demo-1" [10] and "Demo-2" [11]. Futurism refers to the mission as "Demo-1 (or DM-1)" [12]. Inverse refers to the missions as "Demo-1" and "Demo-2" [13].
No source in either article, nor any source listed here, refers to the missions as "SpX-DM1" or "SpX-DM2". They do not truncate the name of "SpaceX", nor is the hyphen located between "SpaceX"/"Crew Dragon" and "Demo". The hyphen is almost unanimously recognised among these sources to be between "Demo" and the number of the flight, and would make sense with NASA's mission naming practices à la Exploration Flight Test-1 and Exploration Mission-1. I am proposing that we rename the articles to "Crew Dragon Demo-1" and "Crew Dragon Demo-2". The titles would most importantly be precise enough, under guidelines on precision in disambiguation, to distinguish from SpaceX COTS Demo Flight 1, Dragon C2+ and Falcon Heavy test flight, SpaceX's other demonstration missions. "SpaceX Demo-1" and "SpaceX Demo-2" could easily be confused for these aforementioned missions. The names also have a strong case for common name recognition, as "Crew Dragon Demo-1" is more often used in third party sources. "Crew Dragon Demo-1" has nearly eleven million results on Google [14], while "SpaceX Demo-1" only has three and a half million results [15].
For the sake of straightforward and concise discussion, Support Crew Dragon is supporting a move to "Crew Dragon Demo-1" and "Crew Dragon Demo-2". Support SpaceX is supporting a move to "SpaceX Demo-1" and "SpaceX Demo-2". Oppose is an opposition to the move proposal entirely, and a support of the status quo of "SpX-DM1" and "SpX-DM2". – PhilipTerryGraham ( talk · articles · reviews) 21:23, 27 February 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. B dash ( talk) 09:33, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources). A quick search of news articles reveals a wide variety of names ("DM-1 mission", "SpaceX's Demo-1 Crew Dragon test flight", "the SpaceX Demo-1 mission", "SpaceX Crew Dragon test launch", "Crew Dragon Demonstration Mission 1", etc.). Given that no single name leaps out as being the most common, "Crew Dragon Demo-1" seems sufficiently WP:CONCISE and rather more WP:PRECISE than "SpaceX Demo-1" (which could also refer to SpaceX COTS Demo Flight 1). Alternatively we could aim for consistency with that previous demo flight, which would imply SpaceX Crew Dragon Demo Flight 1. Rosbif73 ( talk) 07:37, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Page 12-14 of NASA's Press Kit contain a good amount of information about the objectives/facts about the mission (Demo-1). I don't feel confident enough to know what info to add from this Press kit (plus I make a lot of mistakes, something I need to work on). If possible, can anyone, if they have the time to do so, add some of the press kit info into this page? (only if they find the info useful). Thanks! OkayKenji ( talk) 04:18, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
There is a mention in this WP article of the spacecraft carrying cargo. I wonder if this is the mass simulator(s) or of it actually carries supplies to the ISS. Cheers, Rowan Forest ( talk) 21:51, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
I had earlier edited {{ Infobox spaceflight}} to use an incredible photograph of the Crew Dragon silhouetted against the horizon, taken by Anne McClain, as its lead image. As a landscape photograph, it would help alleviate the vertical size of {{ Infobox spaceflight}} while at the same time presenting a unique image from the mission as a way to uniquely identify the mission from a glance. There will be images of Crew Dragons launching, and there will be images of the Crew Dragon docked to the ISS on various other missions in the future, but this photograph will likely be a unique product of this mission, and thus should be presented as such. The manual of style states that "it is also common for the lead image to be representative because it provides a visual association for the topic, and allow readers to quickly assess if they have arrived at the right page." This is a unique opportunity to be able to do that for this page. – PhilipTerryGraham ( talk · articles · reviews) 10:44, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
So, looking at this page [6] there seems to be a lot of Wikipedia articles that link to this one. Many of them seem to use "Spx-DM1" to link to this page. Should the titles of the Wikilinks be changed to reflect the recent move? If so should we used "Crew Dragon Demo-1" or "SpaceX Demo-1" as the title for the Wikilink? (by title I meant to say "Text to Display"
Also when "Spx-DM1" is used as the title for the link to this page in wiki-tables like here [7]. It might be "ok" to leave it as "Spx-DM1". Not sure though. OkayKenji ( talk) 01:23, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Came here trying to find out if this flight was the one that won an Emmy. Other sources confirm yes, but I was a little surprised not find this (noteworthy?) info on this page. Is this worth adding? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.8.100.203 ( talk) 21:59, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Crew Dragon Demo-2 which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 11:04, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
Not sure how to fix it, but the infobox links to the wrong vehicle. Somehow the code {{ComV|Dragon 2|C204}} appears as "Cargo Dragon C204" on the page but links to C205. See: Crew Dragon C204 -- Wizardimps ( talk) 04:09, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
Though C204 never ended up carrying any passengers, the model of the vehicle was a Crew Dragon; the page "Cargo Dragon" links to also calls it a Crew Dragon.