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Should the article say that Cracker is a slur? The CNN source does call it a slur. X-Editor ( talk) 21:30, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Although it can be a pejorative it is sometimes used in a neutral context, particularly in reference to a native of Florida or Georgia (see Florida cracker and Georgia cracker).
I don't understand the "debate" here. It's a slur in some cases, this is obvious, and wikipedia editlords are just equivocating, as usual. I see the 'nigger' article defines it as an ethnic slur (which it is) but has dedicated a whole other page to 'nigga', because it's ok when some people use it! (Let's ignore the fact that it isn't actually a separate word, just a phonetical spelling of the AAVN pronunciation.) I see no issue with mentioning the neutral uses of the word (most of which are historical; those who use cracker in these contexts in the 21st century are few and far between), but quit pussyfooting around because of your politics. Ya know damn well it's a racial/ethnic slur. Wikipedia is ridiculous. Maybe we should create "cracka" or "crackuh" and label that the slur? (Though this seems silly for obvious reasons and again, ya know damn well.) Whatever, I know I won't get anywhere with you people, but this is my input. Have a merry Christmas. Mercster ( talk) 00:29, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
The current North Carolina segment is something like
And I proposed adding the following since there were recent developments:
@ Reaver55: wants to deliberate on this here talk page. They claim that including these other details is disruptive, has left bias, is irrelevant to the page, or something of the sort. Mewnst ( talk) 03:20, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
@ Mewnst: See you finally utilized the talk page, it only took two people giving you a "friendly reminder" about agreed upon consensus. I never said the story was left leaning politcal bias, I said YOU were, based on your self proclaimed "tags" (dont know the name for those) and edit history. Regarding the actual article itself, what does Chadwick Seagraves have to do with the Johnston County NC incident? Other than it was formerly a proud boy members house? Are you trying to say Chadwick owned that house then burned it down? Then how did the people move in after and suffer a vandal attack due to misidentification? If they moved in before then how did they get misidentified? This isn't to even mention your articles, is from 2022, the misidentification incident happened in 2021. By far the biggest self report of a massive left bias I have ever seen. You didn't even take three seconds to look at the post date.
The actual article relating to the misidentification incident from the same source as you, is from 1/26/21 (WRAL.com) [4] The article you posted is from 1/7/22. [5]
Please do not continue to blank or add false narratives to this story, unless you can come up with actual evidence that relates to this specific incident please do not revert any edits and maintain a level of neutrality at all times on Wikipedia. Reaver55 ( talk) 03:35, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Yeah that's really nice and all, but all of that was covered in "was formerly occupied by a member of the Proud Boys hate group." theres no need to add any extra about seagraves, hes not relevant to the story, only the group he was apart of is, not to mention he was not a significant figure in the proud boys group nor made any real national new. No Wikipedia page either, even if you wanted to add that he moved around due to the protests/political unrest its already implied by the misidentification because he would of had to of moved for them to be misidentified so its really insignificant to the story, all your doing is immortalizing a no-body member of a hate group and I hope sincerely that's not the case here, unless your one of those people that glorify those kinds of people.. Why should the story remain? Its a modern, real world, Pejorative usage of the word "Cracker" in the pejorative usage section, excluding the Michael Dunn incident because it was a fabricated lie backed up by witness testimony. So it's pointless to try to remove the story and its pointless to add Seagraves biography(only slightly a hyperbole).
Regarding the pointing out of sources: I only pointed that out to prevent any accusations of a biased source.
The final chapter? See you are closely following a dead insignificant member which shows you aren't maintaining a level of neutrality and are more than likely using one of those "Fasc Databases" which I don't have to say is a clear indication of bias, who follows the no-bodies of a hate group? Not even journalists do that. Almost like its pointless and useless information about a random person.
and as a personal note ive looked into him, he sent some hateful and threatening messages and did some "leftist doxing" ironic when talking about those "fasc databases" even more ironic with this line "“no harm should come to the subjects of this research.” However, it is hard to imagine that this information was presented for any other reason. " But this is hardly a person you should write a whole paragraph about. Reaver55 ( talk) 05:58, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Frankly its obvious your acting out in anger due to your biased edits about a specific no-body proud boy member whos not even involved in this story other than being a proud boy member which was already established and now you made a report because you didn't get what you wanted. Literally just shows more bias. There is no reason for a entire paragraph about a proud boy when the topic is about the pejorative usage of the word cracker. "Why include it at all" we could go on and on with that until all of Wikipedia is erased. Whats the whole point of the pejorative usage category? To show examples of a pejorative usage. What's the whole point of a paragraph about a random proud boy AFTER the incident? Hes a proud boy that moved due to political unrest that conflicted with his beliefs/ideology. If you so much desire I wouldn't see much of a problem with adding a line or two along those lines, but a whole paragaph about what he does afterward? How does that relate to the word cracker it just adds tons of clutter and irrelevant information.
For the WP:FART you could say that for the whole category of pejorative usage, but the bottom line is the story is about a real world incident(Remember Dunn lied) involving the pejorative usage of the word "Cracker" due to misidentification of a proud boy member. Why should there be anymore added? It's quite simple.
PS: How'd you know they were kids? The sources does not mention ages. No idea where you got kids from. So unless you have a source thats more of an opinion and not a fact. Reaver55 ( talk) 07:16, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
You are responsible for your edits, and this talk page is for discussing edits to this page. I am asking you to explain why you think this content belongs in this article. Someone added it in good faith, and then someone else removed it in good faith. That's just background, and it doesn't really matter. The edit I am discussing, here and now, is your first edit to this article, where you restored that content. How does this content improve the article? Grayfell ( talk) 22:47, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
So What editor?" won't fool anyone, and more importantly, it's not an excuse for casting aspersions in the first place.
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I'm amazed at all the strained speculative etymology. The term "cracker" derives from the practice of cracking corn for corn grits, which along with hogs was the standard diet of poor whites in the late 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries. It was so much a staple that pellagra was a common health problem for them. The song "Jimmy crack corn, and I don't care" refers to the same thing, it's not about gossiping. I don't have a source that would be acceptable to Wikipedia, but I heard it all my life, being descended from Southern hillbillies who got here in the late 1680s and who followed the migration from Maryland down to Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, and into Texas. Tom Reedy ( talk) 03:22, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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Should the article say that Cracker is a slur? The CNN source does call it a slur. X-Editor ( talk) 21:30, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Although it can be a pejorative it is sometimes used in a neutral context, particularly in reference to a native of Florida or Georgia (see Florida cracker and Georgia cracker).
I don't understand the "debate" here. It's a slur in some cases, this is obvious, and wikipedia editlords are just equivocating, as usual. I see the 'nigger' article defines it as an ethnic slur (which it is) but has dedicated a whole other page to 'nigga', because it's ok when some people use it! (Let's ignore the fact that it isn't actually a separate word, just a phonetical spelling of the AAVN pronunciation.) I see no issue with mentioning the neutral uses of the word (most of which are historical; those who use cracker in these contexts in the 21st century are few and far between), but quit pussyfooting around because of your politics. Ya know damn well it's a racial/ethnic slur. Wikipedia is ridiculous. Maybe we should create "cracka" or "crackuh" and label that the slur? (Though this seems silly for obvious reasons and again, ya know damn well.) Whatever, I know I won't get anywhere with you people, but this is my input. Have a merry Christmas. Mercster ( talk) 00:29, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
The current North Carolina segment is something like
And I proposed adding the following since there were recent developments:
@ Reaver55: wants to deliberate on this here talk page. They claim that including these other details is disruptive, has left bias, is irrelevant to the page, or something of the sort. Mewnst ( talk) 03:20, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
@ Mewnst: See you finally utilized the talk page, it only took two people giving you a "friendly reminder" about agreed upon consensus. I never said the story was left leaning politcal bias, I said YOU were, based on your self proclaimed "tags" (dont know the name for those) and edit history. Regarding the actual article itself, what does Chadwick Seagraves have to do with the Johnston County NC incident? Other than it was formerly a proud boy members house? Are you trying to say Chadwick owned that house then burned it down? Then how did the people move in after and suffer a vandal attack due to misidentification? If they moved in before then how did they get misidentified? This isn't to even mention your articles, is from 2022, the misidentification incident happened in 2021. By far the biggest self report of a massive left bias I have ever seen. You didn't even take three seconds to look at the post date.
The actual article relating to the misidentification incident from the same source as you, is from 1/26/21 (WRAL.com) [4] The article you posted is from 1/7/22. [5]
Please do not continue to blank or add false narratives to this story, unless you can come up with actual evidence that relates to this specific incident please do not revert any edits and maintain a level of neutrality at all times on Wikipedia. Reaver55 ( talk) 03:35, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Yeah that's really nice and all, but all of that was covered in "was formerly occupied by a member of the Proud Boys hate group." theres no need to add any extra about seagraves, hes not relevant to the story, only the group he was apart of is, not to mention he was not a significant figure in the proud boys group nor made any real national new. No Wikipedia page either, even if you wanted to add that he moved around due to the protests/political unrest its already implied by the misidentification because he would of had to of moved for them to be misidentified so its really insignificant to the story, all your doing is immortalizing a no-body member of a hate group and I hope sincerely that's not the case here, unless your one of those people that glorify those kinds of people.. Why should the story remain? Its a modern, real world, Pejorative usage of the word "Cracker" in the pejorative usage section, excluding the Michael Dunn incident because it was a fabricated lie backed up by witness testimony. So it's pointless to try to remove the story and its pointless to add Seagraves biography(only slightly a hyperbole).
Regarding the pointing out of sources: I only pointed that out to prevent any accusations of a biased source.
The final chapter? See you are closely following a dead insignificant member which shows you aren't maintaining a level of neutrality and are more than likely using one of those "Fasc Databases" which I don't have to say is a clear indication of bias, who follows the no-bodies of a hate group? Not even journalists do that. Almost like its pointless and useless information about a random person.
and as a personal note ive looked into him, he sent some hateful and threatening messages and did some "leftist doxing" ironic when talking about those "fasc databases" even more ironic with this line "“no harm should come to the subjects of this research.” However, it is hard to imagine that this information was presented for any other reason. " But this is hardly a person you should write a whole paragraph about. Reaver55 ( talk) 05:58, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Frankly its obvious your acting out in anger due to your biased edits about a specific no-body proud boy member whos not even involved in this story other than being a proud boy member which was already established and now you made a report because you didn't get what you wanted. Literally just shows more bias. There is no reason for a entire paragraph about a proud boy when the topic is about the pejorative usage of the word cracker. "Why include it at all" we could go on and on with that until all of Wikipedia is erased. Whats the whole point of the pejorative usage category? To show examples of a pejorative usage. What's the whole point of a paragraph about a random proud boy AFTER the incident? Hes a proud boy that moved due to political unrest that conflicted with his beliefs/ideology. If you so much desire I wouldn't see much of a problem with adding a line or two along those lines, but a whole paragaph about what he does afterward? How does that relate to the word cracker it just adds tons of clutter and irrelevant information.
For the WP:FART you could say that for the whole category of pejorative usage, but the bottom line is the story is about a real world incident(Remember Dunn lied) involving the pejorative usage of the word "Cracker" due to misidentification of a proud boy member. Why should there be anymore added? It's quite simple.
PS: How'd you know they were kids? The sources does not mention ages. No idea where you got kids from. So unless you have a source thats more of an opinion and not a fact. Reaver55 ( talk) 07:16, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
You are responsible for your edits, and this talk page is for discussing edits to this page. I am asking you to explain why you think this content belongs in this article. Someone added it in good faith, and then someone else removed it in good faith. That's just background, and it doesn't really matter. The edit I am discussing, here and now, is your first edit to this article, where you restored that content. How does this content improve the article? Grayfell ( talk) 22:47, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
So What editor?" won't fool anyone, and more importantly, it's not an excuse for casting aspersions in the first place.
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I'm amazed at all the strained speculative etymology. The term "cracker" derives from the practice of cracking corn for corn grits, which along with hogs was the standard diet of poor whites in the late 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries. It was so much a staple that pellagra was a common health problem for them. The song "Jimmy crack corn, and I don't care" refers to the same thing, it's not about gossiping. I don't have a source that would be acceptable to Wikipedia, but I heard it all my life, being descended from Southern hillbillies who got here in the late 1680s and who followed the migration from Maryland down to Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, and into Texas. Tom Reedy ( talk) 03:22, 11 July 2024 (UTC)